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Cam’s petition for an extra year eligibility denied by NCAA

If the NCAA basically has no control over paying players how can they deny them 'The Right to Work" more than 4 years at their college job of basketball?
 
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husky429 said:
This shouldn't come as a surprise. It was a weak case.
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Why? If he had a RS year his frosh year he would have gotten his Covid year, wouldn’t he? Just because it happened the same year he get denied? And explain how the kid from Miami is getting a 9th year of eligibility…
 
navery12 said:
They're not counting the Covid year, that's why he's eligible and playing at UConn this year. This request was asking them to not count that year two times, which was never going to happen
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Or that year was a. Medical RS
 
NJHusky said:
Why? If he had a RS year his frosh year he would have gotten his Covid year, wouldn’t he? Just because it happened the same year he get denied? And explain how the kid from Miami is getting a 9th year of eligibility…
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I don't know anything about the kid from Miami.

It's pretty simple really. The extra Covid year was for athletes affected by the shutdowns and lack of NCAAT. Cam was already injured and not playing basketball that season. He has no reason to get the extra year; he didn't miss out on anything. He's played his 4 years of college ball. Love the kid, but it's time to move on.
 
husky429 said:
I don't know anything about the kid from Miami.

It's pretty simple really. The extra Covid year was for athletes affected by the shutdowns and lack of NCAAT. Cam was already injured and not playing basketball that season. He has no reason to get the extra year; he didn't miss out on anything. He's played his 4 years of college ball. Love the kid, but it's time to move on.
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He missed out on a 5th season that most of those other kids got.
 
given his age I'm kinda surprised he wanted another year, he's gonna make money playing basketball next year somewhere
 
The inconsistency is annoying but idk if Cam would use his 6th year as he is beginning to show up on top 60s and isn’t getting any younger.
 
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NJHusky said:
Or that year was a. Medical RS
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Not a medical redshirt, medical redshirt requires a season ending injury and his was an early season injury where he returned and played a few games late
 
Rico444 said:
I don't think there was ever a great shot but I can see the case. He played during that "free covid" year and they're counting it even though he didn't get to play. There are plenty of players who have played 5 full seasons counting the covid year and he did not get the chance to. I'm not surprised they rejected him but if he really wanted to push hard I wouldn't be shocked if they granted it to him.
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Appeal that ruling
 
Sky ball said:
If the NCAA basically has no control over paying players how can they deny them 'The Right to Work" more than 4 years at their college job of basketball?
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I heard LeBron has eligibility. He could just do it backwards. Play in the NBA. Then once he retires, go back to college and play 4 years there. Unless he decides to leave early to go back to the NBA.
 
Rico444 said:
He missed out on a 5th season that most of those other kids got.
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He's playing his 5th season right now just like every other kid that got a Covid waiver. Even if one of those seasons was shorter than he'd like.

If he applied for a medical redshirt for his sophomore year (20-21), he wouldn't have been counted as playing during the Covid year, and wouldn't be eligible for the Covid waiver. That would be like giving Stephon Castle a Covid year... it doesn't make sense because neither of them would have been playing college basketball. Cam claimed a Covid year; that means he was playing basketball.

There is just no solid argument for this other than some appeal to emotion because someone else got to play more. Those arguments only work if you play for Duke or Kansas.
 
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navery12 said:
Not a medical redshirt, medical redshirt requires a season ending injury and his was an early season injury where he returned and played a few games late
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I feel like a crazy person, even though I know the decision makes complete sense. Help me out here lol.
 
husky429 said:
He's playing his 5th season right now just like every other kid that got a Covid waiver. Even if one of those seasons was shorter than he'd like.

If he applied for a medical redshirt for his sophomore year (20-21), he wouldn't have been counted as playing during the Covid year, and wouldn't be eligible for the Covid waiver. That would be like giving Stephon Castle a Covid year... it doesn't make sense because neither of them would have been playing college basketball. Cam claimed a Covid year; that means he was playing basketball.

There is just no solid argument for this other than some appeal to emotion because someone else got to play more. Those arguments only work if you play for Duke or Kansas.
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I get the argument and understand why his appeal was rejected but I disagree that it's an appeal to emotion. If the same exact injury happened a year later he would have played the exact same amount of basketball as now but would likely be eligible next year. A huge chunk of players eligible in that '20-'21 season received five years of eligibility. He only gets four.

My main issue wasn't that you were applying the ruling incorrectly, but that you said "he didn't miss out on anything." He did compared to almost every other kid in his class. My take on the situation is that I get why he pushed for another year and wish he could get it, but he's unlucky because he happened to get hurt during a year where everyone got a free year, whether they got injured or not. It's bad luck, not him looking to steal an extra year.
 
Rico444 said:
I get the argument and understand why his appeal was rejected but I disagree that it's an appeal to emotion. If the same exact injury happened a year later he would have played the exact same amount of basketball as now but would likely be eligible next year. A huge chunk of players eligible in that '20-'21 season received five years of eligibility. He only gets four.

My main issue wasn't that you were applying the ruling incorrectly, but that you said "he didn't miss out on anything." He did compared to almost every other kid in his class. My take on the situation is that I get why he pushed for another year and wish he could get it, but he's unlucky because he happened to get hurt during a year where everyone got a free year, whether they got injured or not. It's bad luck, not him looking to steal an extra year.
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He didn't miss out on anything, because he played 5 years of basketball just like everyone else. You're arguing like he got a medical redshirt. He didn't. He played.

If the same injury happened a year later, he would still be ineligible because he still wouldn't have gotten a medical redshirt. He was never eligible for one because it wasn't a season-ending injury. That's how the NCAA has worked for as long as I can remember.
 
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businesslawyer said:
Wait -- because he only played a few games in 2020-21, and then the NCAA said that season wouldn't count towards one's four years of eligibility, he wanted TWO extra years? Even for a lawyer, whomever floated that as an idea was being absurd.
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Yes, but it's the NCAA. The 2nd A stands for absurd, doesn't it? It was worth a shot based on some of the exceptions they've granted over the years.
 
EricLA said:
Not surprising. Good for him to try. Hard to remember any guy we've had for only 1 year, like this, who I've enjoyed watching more than Cam. No matter how the season ends, he will end his career beloved by UConn fans everywhere.
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Killa Cam is #2 behind Nadav Henefeld...though I would understand if our fanbase is generationally split between the two of them.
 
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husky429 said:
He didn't miss out on anything, because he played 5 years of basketball just like everyone else. You're arguing like he got a medical redshirt. He didn't. He played.

If the same injury happened a year later, he would still be ineligible because he still wouldn't have gotten a medical redshirt. He was never eligible for one because it wasn't a season-ending injury. That's how the NCAA has worked for as long as I can remember.
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He barely played in that one season. Technically you're right that he used his eligibility but to say he didn't miss out on anything doesn't do a good enough job explaining what happened. And I get that as the NCAA rules are on the books he should be done, but he's asking for an exception, which tons of players have gotten. Hell, there's a kid at Miami that's about to use his 9th year of eligibility.

Again, I'm not arguing that he should absolutely win. I get why he was denied. I just think there's a legitimate case to grant the extra year based on exceptions they've made in the past and the fact that one of his years was essentially a lost year -- and not because of COVID.
 
I can really see Cam becoming a Head Coach somewhere in the future. He has that crazy Hurley temperament.
 
I will throw this out there. Bo Nix played 61 games as a starter in FBS football at Auburn and Oregon. That is five full years and Cam only played four plus four games. It doesn't sound as crazy then and Caitlyn Clark could've returned next year if she wanted.
 
First reaction - Cam has had his career and I get why they turned down the extra year.

But looking at some of the other cases where exemptions have been granted, it does kinda seem weird
 
Rico444 said:
He barely played in that one season. Technically you're right that he used his eligibility but to say he didn't miss out on anything doesn't do a good enough job explaining what happened. And I get that as the NCAA rules are on the books he should be done, but he's asking for an exception, which tons of players have gotten. Hell, there's a kid at Miami that's about to use his 9th year of eligibility.

Again, I'm not arguing that he should absolutely win. I get why he was denied. I just think there's a legitimate case to grant the extra year based on exceptions they've made in the past and the fact that one of his years was essentially a lost year -- and not because of COVID.
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So the issue is redshirt rules. I can live with that. Still don't understand why the injury a year later would make a difference though--it doesn't.
 
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