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I like what Cal did with Mick I do, I just hate that it's Cal. Pretty simple and the fact he is and was so arrogant makes it a sleazy response. If it was Mick vs Wright or something I would say hooray for Jay. This is just isn't a "hooray moment".
 
CL82 said:
Yes, I am the type of guy who can come in at the last minute and take any player I want from you. You can spend your whole life recruiting a kid and at the end of the day. If I want him, I’ll get him. If we want him, we’ll get him.

'Don’t ever get that confused. Be appreciative every time I don’t come in and get your guy. Don’t accuse me of cheating when I do.'

Anyone else read that and think if the squid wasn't a basketball coach he could be running protection scams for the mob?
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Sounds like he should be working for Hillary's campaign
 
Look, I hate Cal just as much as anyone else. I hate the way he runs his programs with constant 1 and done's. I hate the way he addresses the media and downplays how good his teams are. I hate the way the constantly lowers the expectations for his teams so he can stand atop the mountain when they overachieve. Assuming he doesn't cheat, which every program does in the nation despite what you think, the fact that he can pull away top recruits from major programs speaks to his recruiting efforts and relation to his kids....did i mention i hate him and hes a cheater?
 
Not sure why he is bragging about his ability to lure underage boys to him, but if he wants to brag about it let him.
 
temery said:
I doubt he needs to cheat at Kentucky, but still ...
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This has been said so many times by so many people that it has been assumed to be true. The problem is that no one really knows for sure how true it is. I don't think any of the top kids give a crap about the Kentucky history or wildcat lounge. I think the squid still needs to cheat his arse off to get the kids that are solely focused on the NBA. If Cronin didn't hit too close to home, the squid would have ignored him. The ego on this guy is something else. He sees himself as some sort of Darth Vader of college basketball. Vader had skills. The squid is more like Joe Pesci in Goodfellas.
 
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We need to give Cal his due but also understand Kentucky is a draw and always was. Add Squid as an appetizer in Lexington and it's recruiting on steroids unfortunately. Kids and their support teams believe hype, some that is real and some not so real.
 
Paesano said:
This has been said so many times by so many people that it has been assumed to be true. The problem is that no one really knows for sure how true it is. I don't think any of the top kids give a crap about the Kentucky history or wildcat lounge. I think the squid still needs to cheat his arse off to get the kids that are solely focused on the NBA. If Cronin didn't hit too close to home, the squid would have ignored him. The ego on this guy is something else. He sees himself as some sort of Darth Vader of college basketball. Vader had skills. The squid is more like Joe Pesci in Goodfellas.
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The best part about Calipari is that he drives guys like you crazy.
 
Paesano said:
This has been said so many times by so many people that it has been assumed to be true. The problem is that no one really knows for sure how true it is. I don't think any of the top kids give a crap about the Kentucky history or wildcat lounge. I think the squid still needs to cheat his arse off to get the kids that are solely focused on the NBA. If Cronin didn't hit too close to home, the squid would have ignored him. The ego on this guy is something else. He sees himself as some sort of Darth Vader of college basketball. Vader had skills. The squid is more like Joe Pesci in Goodfellas.
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I would have liked this post, then you insulted Darth Vader and Joe Pesci.;)
 
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CallMeBruce said:
If Kentucky was enough by itself to draw in the best players, then Tubby Smith would still be there. I don't know what Calipari does to get so many top kids, but he's done it at every stop, so it's him.
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This point is not true.

He did not get top guys at UMass. He was always a solid recruiter; however, this is a confluence of Calipari at a top 3-5 Program that has produced results. And, his pitch is NOW carefully sculpted to get these top kid - plus the adoring fanbase, the luxury living quarters, the Pro atmosphere, and other benefits. (not saying its cheating) He has grown through UMass to Memphis to UK. If his goal really is placing all these kids in the NBA, he has done rather well. (however, I think that too self-effacing ... Cal is in for the greater glory of Cal)
 
Pudge said:
This point is not true.

He did not get top guys at UMass. He was always a solid recruiter; however, this is a confluence of Calipari at a top 3-5 Program that has produced results. And, his pitch is NOW carefully sculpted to get these top kid - plus the adoring fanbase, the luxury living quarters, the Pro atmosphere, and other benefits. (not saying its cheating) He has grown through UMass to Memphis to UK. If his goal really is placing all these kids in the NBA, he has done rather well. (however, I think that too self-effacing ... Cal is in for the greater glory of Cal)
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He wasn't quite as good at UMass, but he was certainly pulling in elite recruits at Memphis. Kentucky certainly helps, but my point is this: Calipari recruited better at a mid-major than Smith did at Kentucky. It may not be entirely him, but it's mostly him.
 
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CallMeBruce said:
He wasn't quite as good at UMass, but he was certainly pulling in elite recruits at Memphis. Kentucky certainly helps, but my point is this: Calipari recruited better at a mid-major than Smith did at Kentucky. It may not be entirely him, but it's mostly him.
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So is Pastner.
 
Cronin is a weasel and Calipari is a slime bucket. What Cronin is crying about here is no different than when John Chaney (after spending years recruiting Rasheed Wallace, who was from Chaney's old neighborhood) complained that Dean Smith landed him without having to put much effort into it. When a kid has the choice of the bright lights in Lexington or playing for Cronin in Cincy it isn't a fair fight.

I will however always resent when prior to the 2011 final four Calipari said something to the effect of "If I knew Kemba was that good I would have recruited him." as if Cal showing up with an offer would have landed Kemba in Memphis. For the record that is only one of many things that I will always resent Calipari for.
 
He may not have recruited elite players at UMASS but he certainly recruited good players. I hated UMASS when Cal was there, but I have to admit, they were damn good. Relentless defenders, good shooters and tough rebounders.

If anything, Cal has lost a step as far as coaching goes. Back then, I thought he was a great coach. He's become a great recruiter but a really marginal game coach.
 
CallMeBruce said:
Pastner had one really nice class that ended up being a complete disaster. He's not recruiting as well as Calipari did there, by a long shot.
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Yeah, let's not forget that Cal had Cousins already committed to Memphis before he left for UK, and in all likelihood would have brought in Bledsoe & Wall, too. Cal also brought in Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans at Memphis. Only active player that pastner has in the NBA right now is Will Barton (and maybe Adonis Thomas - not sure).
 
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Can anyone explain the suspected role WWW played in UK/Cal's quantum leap in recruiting? How did this ball start rolling so fast after Cal's hire?
 
CallMeBruce said:
Pastner had one really nice class that ended up being a complete disaster. He's not recruiting as well as Calipari did there, by a long shot.
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Let's not deny Pastner as a rookie coach having very solid success year in year out at that school. UK and Memphis are not on the same level of programs so it's relative. Maybe not Cal / UK like but he recruited really well for a program undeserving of the most part. Seems the Dana Kirk thing never got that far away from there. Of course the recruiting will decrease for him as he proves he's not a very good coach also.

I gave Cal his due but to deny coaching UK doesn't help in a big way is ridiculous.
 
Dogbreath2U said:
Can anyone explain the suspected role WWW played in UK/Cal's quantum leap in recruiting? How did this ball start rolling so fast after Cal's hire?
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It is widely known that Cal and WWW are close friends and I believe he is the secret to Cal's success. How else can he get multiple AA level guys to line up to play less minutes behind equally talented guys? WWW is a reknowned agent and scout and is responsible for leading lots of these guys to Cal and the NBA by either giving them draft guarentees from GMs and/or promising them representation upon being drafted. In a way he is Cal's "bag man", not saying money is being exchanged, but it wouldn't surprise me and there have been several rumors about some of his guys since he's been at Memphis (Davis, Rose, Wall).

Hell, having Drake who is a god to these kids at midnight madness is a huge recruiting draw alone. Drakes latest song makes a huge shoutout to WWW in the very first line, and these kids are all listening. Cal's MO is glitz and glamour, come play at UK, hide your flaws on a loaded team and be treated like a demigod.
 
WWW and Drake make a difference for sure, but Cal still has to get some credit for creating this aura of a man the kids and their supporters love. Hate to say it he still is king right now - why? WTF knows but he made them believers somehow.
 
BUHusky10 said:
WWW is a reknowned agent and scout and is responsible for leading lots of these guys to Cal and the NBA by either giving them draft guarentees from GMs and/or promising them representation upon being drafted.
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You realize this doesn't make any sense, right? What is this scheme you are describing?
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
You realize this doesn't make any sense, right? What is this scheme you are describing?
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Obviously the exact details aren't published reading, but it's been widely rumored that WWW makes big promises of signing bonuses and affiliation with apparel companies like Nike to kids who agree to play ball. These bonuses may come before they enter UK, but they most likely are promises made for once they enter the draft. "Come to UK, play a year, get drafted by X at the latest according to my sources, and you have a Nike contract waiting for you. All you have to do is play for Cal and agree to sign with us when you are drafted".

It may seem like it's not worth the trouble, but once you see guys like Wall, and Cousins becoming superstars, and Davis looking like the next all-time great, you can see how it can be a lucrative relationship.
 
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