C Edsall’s Contract (...and Dad’s too) Updated Monday Afternoon

[History Geek]

Wow. That sounds real close to a "a rich man did something bad, so all rich men are bad" type comment. No thanks to that line of thinking.

That's a bit of a slippery slope. I'm with Waquoit on this one.

 

[Chief00]

The state law is a necessary one. One doesn't get to ignore it just because the state FB coach wants to give his son a six figure payday to tweet. It seems to me that everyone is looking to find a way to resolve this. One thing for sure, this is issue is not small time. Connecticut is not Alabama and that's a good thing.

So you wouldn’t take the Bama football program?

 

[Waquoit]

So you wouldn’t take the Bama football program?

False choice. Of course I'd like my team to have that success. But not if it meant I'd have to live in a crap state like Alabama.

 

[uconnbill]

Can't agree. Having the college FB team call the shots is how you get a Jerry Sandusky.

Not even in the same world, but than again it might be in your small world thinking. Why UConn was left behind, because of thinking like yours.

 

[BlueMAB]

Nor I.

I didn't think so, but wanted to be sure you didn't mistake my tone and read something into my post that wasn't there.

 

[CL82]

Power corrupts.

And that corruption manifests itself as facilitating sexual assault against children?

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

Not even in the same world, but than again it might be in your small world thinking. Why UConn was left behind, because of thinking like yours.

Yes, that's right, Bill. It wasn't that our Hall of Fame coach was retiring while we were on APR probation with an uncertain future, or our football building coach had left for his "dream job" at Maryland. It wasn't that we were ostensibly a basketball program when the ACC desperately needed football.

It was cause the ACC was worried we wouldn't be able to look the other way when a coach hired his son.

 

[weyuo]

UConn should have hired Corey first, then a couple days later Randy. That probably would have nipped this in the bud.

 

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[Alum86]

Jacob's there? Expect a crybaby article tomorrow like the Darien FB ranking.

 

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[CL82]

Glad to see the stay was issued. It made sense to do it, but that is never a guarantee.

 

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[CL82]

"The ethics commission is agreeing not to pursue Randy for any of the alleged actions that he negotiated a contract for Corey while he was a state employee," said Louis George, Edsall's attorney. "That being off the table, we think is a great thing."

I'm surprised that this came as quickly as it did given the ethics board's intransigence in this matter, but it is the right result. UConn is still pursuing a determination of REv2's start date for precedent. My guess is that the ethics board did not believe it could sustain it's creation of a fictional start date, prior to the actual date stated in the contract. I suspect UConn doesn't either, that's why they are pursuing a determination.

UConn claims to have a management plan that removes Randy Edsall from a place of influence over Corey’s career advancement and potential earnings. The Board on Tuesday called UConn’s management plan “a sham.”

Having abandoned the fictional starting date that they established, the board is now left with disproving the management plan that UConn put in place. I doubt that they will be any more successful there.

 

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[BlueMAB]

The key reason for the ethics law is to prevent unqualified individuals from benefiting financially. Corey is both qualified and paid below market value. This shouldn’t be a difficult decision. There was clearly no intent to help him get something undeserved. The legislature needs to draft some new language, but Corey should be permitted to stay.

Folks here have argued Edsall wouldn’t have been hired for any other head coaching job (highly debatable) but nobody has ever argued that Corey couldn’t have gotten this same job at a number of other schools.

 

[TRest]

The key reason for the ethics law is to prevent unqualified individuals from benefiting financially. Corey is both qualified and paid below market value. This shouldn’t be a difficult decision. There was clearly no intent to help him get something undeserved. The legislature needs to draft some new language, but Corey should be permitted to stay.

Folks here have argued Edsall wouldn’t have been hired for any other head coaching job (highly debatable) but nobody has ever argued that Corey couldn’t have gotten this same job at a number of other schools.

Really? What was the job market for Corey Edsall?

 

[TRest]

Really? What was the job market for Corey Edsall?

Here's his resume from UCONN athletic site:

In his first season at UConn, Corey Edsall will be in charge of the tight ends.

Edsall spent two seasons on the Colorado football staff, 2016 was his first as a graduate assistant working with the defense. He joined the program in 2015 and worked as a football intern. In 2016, he was part of the biggest turn around season in PAC-12 history. The Buffaloes went 10-4 (8-1) and won the PAC-12 South Championship and appeared in the 2016 PAC-12 Championship game against the Washington Huskies.

Edsall, 24, has spent two summers as a scouting intern in a pair of National Football League training camps, New England in 2013 and Philadelphia in 2014.

He graduated with his bachelor's degree in Family Science from the University of Maryland in 2015. In 2011 he started out as a freshman at Syracuse University, where he played quarterback for coach Doug Marrone, but then transferred to Maryland. At Maryland, he worked three years (2012-14) as a student assistant on the offensive side of the ball, and staffed a pair of bowl games with the Terrapins (2013 Military, 2014 Foster Farms).

So you're saying he could obtain a position-coach job at a FBS school right after one year as a grad assistant on defense at Colorado? For a higher salary than what his father obtained for him? D.J. Hernandez has a better resume and he, like a bunch of other former players, are out coaching high school teams in their mid-20's.

 

[CL82]

The key reason for the ethics law is to prevent unqualified individuals from benefiting financially. Corey is both qualified and paid below market value. This shouldn’t be a difficult decision. There was clearly no intent to help him get something undeserved. The legislature needs to draft some new language, but Corey should be permitted to stay.

Folks here have argued Edsall wouldn’t have been hired for any other head coaching job (highly debatable) but nobody has ever argued that Corey couldn’t have gotten this same job at a number of other schools.

Not so much. I've never researched it, but I'd guess that it's intention is prevent CT employees from benefiting from their position inappropriately. This particular provision seems aimed at preventing a manager from acting unilaterally to employ, maintain, and set the pay rates of family members.

In REv2's case, none of these things were done, or can be done without the review and authorization of a superior. The provisions's application to the this set of facts is a bad fit.

 

[BlueMAB]

Okay, so ONE person has (unsuccessfully) argued he wasn't qualified.

Son of a coach, two summers interning in the NFL, 2 years as a grad assistant, 3 years as a student-assistant. Yeah, I'd say that qualifies him for his first shot at coaching a position.

I didn't say he could get more money elsewhere, I said he's being paid below market for the position. Understandable, considering it's his first opportunity. David Benedict didn't have a problem with his resume and his position, or he wouldn't have hired Edsall.

DJ Hernandez? Seriously? You may have heard of his brother. Or the fact he was completely removed from football for a few years working as a roofer. You really don't think those facts have negatively impacted his career? Could you think of a worse comparison?

"Corey had been on the staff at Colorado for two seasons. He had been a backup quarterback at Syracuse. He studied his dad from a young age. He is a smart guy and a hard worker. He was qualified for his assistant shot. He’s also among the lowest-paid FCS [sic] coaches in the nation."

 

[BlueMAB]

Not so much. I've never researched it, but I'd guess that it's intention is prevent CT employees from benefiting from their position inappropriately. This particular provision seems aimed at preventing a manager from acting unilaterally to employ, maintain, and set the pay rates of family members.

In REv2's case, none of these things were done, or can be done without the review and authorization of a superior. The provisions's application to the this set of facts is a bad fit.

I'm going off what I read in the article...Jacobs may be wrong, but I'm giving him the benefit of doubt.

"This is important and I have tried to stress this since last summer: The state code of ethics does not forbid family members from working in the same departments. What the code does forbid is state employees using their positions for the financial gain of a family member."

 

[CL82]

I'm going off what I read in the article...Jacobs may be wrong, but I'm giving him the benefit of doubt.

"This is important and I have tried to stress this since last summer: The state code of ethics does not forbid family members from working in the same departments. What the code does forbid is state employees using their positions for the financial gain of a family member."

I think that is a fair synopsis by JJ. Note that there is no "qualified" modifier in there.

By having independent decision makers who are not subordinate to REv2 aware of, and integral to the hiring, maintenance and compensation of the family member REv2 isn't using his position or authority for the financial gain of a family member. Frankly, the advisory board is costing the state money needlessly pursuing this matter.

 

[BlueMAB]

I think that is a fair synopsis by JJ. Note that there is no "qualified" modifier in there.

Fair point.

I do believe qualifications are relevant, otherwise this ethical gray area becomes much more black and white.

 

[CL82]

Fair point.

I do believe qualifications are relevant, otherwise this ethical gray area becomes much more black and white.

It is fairly black and white. UConn followed the guidance given to them and met the requirements of the ethics language. This is advisory board overreach, IMO.

 

[SubbaBub]

This is stupid and has always been stupid. These are two individual personal services contracts between the University and the employees. Edsall has no official say in his son's contract, he doesn't sign it or approve it. It is also a one year deal that is renewed as long as the AD continues to want him there.

Yes, he takes Randys opinion into account but AD Dave can fire any of them at any time. That's sounds like enough of a separation to me.

 

[FartMan69]

Corey Edsall was a back up QB at Syracuse?? I remember him being a chunky mediocre QB/Punter at East Catholic.. We ate his lunch and spit it out and we weren't exactly juggernauts at Plainville.. He runs a decent twitter tho.

 

[CL82]

Corey Edsall was a back up QB at Syracuse?? I remember him being a chunky mediocre QB/Punter at East Catholic.. We ate his lunch and spit it out and we weren't exactly juggernauts at Plainville.. He runs a decent twitter tho.

Lower level of athleticism needed at Syracuse.

 

[Waquoit]

This is stupid and has always been stupid. These are two individual personal services contracts between the University and the employees. Edsall has no official say in his son's contract, he doesn't sign it or approve it. It is also a one year deal that is renewed as long as the AD continues to want him there.

They have to find a way to create a one-time exception. Trying to sell it by saying a assistant coach doesn't really report to the head coach is insulting.

 

[BlueMAB]

It's extremely common for employees to be responsible for providing services/products with deadlines handed down by those same internal customers while reporting to an entirely different manager. If they screw up, they have to deal with the blowback from their customer(s) and their supervisor. Of course Corey answers to Randy, but Benedict can fire him at any time, and if Randy doesn't like, he's free to leave too.