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I think seeing Ross play this well and not being open minded to the possibility of him starting given what the board agrees is our current weakness in that group (athletic Castle, Jackson wing defender) is not giving him enough credit.

He's played well and worked hard to fix and overcome the things people wanted him to work on. He deserves a chance to see if he can earn the starting spot for himself while Mullins is out just like Stew had the opportunity to all summer and up until now.

It's a no risk situation. He goes into the starting lineup and either plays well enough to stay there or he doesn't and goes back to his former role. I don't get what the downside is to doing that outside of worst case scenario situations about how rewarding a guy by starting him could lead to affecting their confidence.
I wouldn’t be upset or surprised if Ross started next game and I’d be routing for him to continue growing just like I always have been. It would make sense to reward him with the start. I’m just offering a perspective of understanding why it might not happen. I haven’t indicated a lack of open-mindedness. I’m only arguing against the idea that I’m arguing with you at all.
 
The press took us out of our game!!! A by product of killing the clock way too early. How does one beat the press? Not by inbounding to the spot in the floor where they want you to pass!!! 2-3 passes and a layup. If you have a lead and you keep scoring your opponent won’t catch you!
Exactly the problem was guys were inbounding and holding in the corner. They weren’t decisive. They get the ball in instead of passing it right back to the open inbounder who can push the ball up quickly they held it and have to work it up for 8 or 9 seconds which means less time in the half court to run the offense. Which lead to bad late clock situations. Working the offense with 22 to 24 seconds as opposed to to 18 -20 makes a world of difference.
 
I wouldn’t be upset or surprised if Ross started next game and I’d be routing for him to continue growing just like I always have been. It would make sense to reward him with the start. I’m just offering a perspective of understanding why it might not happen. I haven’t indicated a lack of open-mindedness. I’m only arguing against the idea that I’m arguing with you at all.
That makes sense. I think I'm moreso triggered when the same guys that thought Ross might not play over Furphy (not you), then thought there's no way he plays better than Stew, are now popping in to give reasons why he shouldn't start despite his play and go out of their way to give him a bench player role.

Comments like “he's playing well and will be a perfect bench spark plug.” (not you).

In this case, I don't think the perspective is needed much. The fact of the matter is he's worked hard to earn his shot at the role. Fouls are an easy thing to clean up and it's not an effort issue. Hope to see him get the chance he's rightfully earned and deserved soon to live up to the values we push in this program.
 
Go back and take a look at the timing of those fouls Tom. At one point they had like three and we're already in the bonus. Later on the refs started to call equalizing fouls

Then go back and check the fouls called on BYU. There are always bad calls on both sides. The idea too many here spout is the refs are biased.
 
More ALEC M in games like this Danny. He’s got a little more cool than Malachi (whom I really like) but more importantly is not a liability at the line.

He’s the Craig Austrie of this squad
 
I’m really looking forward to Mullins playing. We’re already a final four contender without him. I haven’t seen Houston play yet but I’m putting us in the top tier with Zona, Purdue, Bama, Duke.
 
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We will have an 8-9 man rotation at most. Furphy won’t be part of it.
Furphy might well not be part of it except if there’s an injury. But 8 guys played last night and none will be relegated to 0 minutes once Mullins is ready. It’ll go 9 deep anyway.
 
I mean you keep saying this, but we made it a razor thin finish. We were up 20. Yes a win is great, but let’s not disregard how much better BYU was in the second half.

Their press fully disrupted us, and a big part of their comeback. Not sure how you cannot see that.
My view is, UConn was up 11 at halftime after being up 10-15 for a good stretch, had a nice run early in the half to increase the lead to as much as 20, and then BYU quickly got it back to the 10-15 range for a while. BYU then got hot shooting while UConn fell apart under pressure for basically five minutes, and BYU cut the deficit to 4-5. Then UConn got some of their rhythm back and handled the press a little better, managing to hold serve and maintain a small lead for the last five minutes, though if that game had been even 30 seconds longer, who knows if we hang on with so much foul trouble in our lineup?

But I don't see this as a "tale of two halves" quite as much as some folks. UConn's foul troubles were the biggest obstacle for them, and that was a problem that accumulated throughout the game. BYU's press worked in spurts (very early, and again midway through the second half).
 
Apparently you can't access content on fox sports app with the $30 a month fox one subscription.

And Fox One for some reason doesn't have the full game replay even though Fox sports has it.

Death to these greedy streaming companies.
 
An excellent point for anyone wanting to really improve there game and keep the opponent honest. I have noticed that both Karaban and Solo are increasing their use of the opposite hand. For a kind of thin guy Saunders was pretty fearless around the rim and displayed smarts in making moves. Wonder if he is going to make it as a pro. Very worthy opponent.
I was impressed by Saunders. His only flaw against UConn was shooting 0 for 7 on threes. He had two early fouls but finished with three total. I did notice Solo going to the rim with his right hand. Just hope his long range shooting improves this season.
 
Literally no one on this board is rooting against Ross because of you. Just stop.

Beyond that, people's takes on Ross were 100% accurate. That he may be right now didn't make him right then. It's not a difficult concept.
 
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Then go back and check the fouls called on BYU. There are always bad calls on both sides. The idea too many here spout is the refs are biased.
It's not only the total number of fouls, it's also how and when they were called and on whom.

One of my big pet peeves is when refs call nothing in the first half and then everything in the second half. It messes up the flow of the game. It matters less to me how the game is called than that it's called consistently.

Similarly, when they were in the bonus and only had three fouls called against them, that made it really hard for us in the second half. A lot of of our key players were on the bench and the refs took away our ability to aggressively guard people. That changed the flow of the game dramatically and greatly contributed to their second half run. As often is the case, it seems like at one point they looked up at the scoreboard and said "oh crap this is really lopsided" and started calling more fouls on BYU. But, by that time, the damage was done and we had what four guys with four fouls?

Not that I'm not going all conspiracy theory on this and saying that the refs secretly hate us or in BYU's pocket. I am saying that the game was inconsistently called half to half and in the second half the fouls were very lopsided against Connecticut until about eight minutes to go or so. It is what it is, and we ended up winning, but it is a pet peeve.
 
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He lifted it, but didn’t drag it or put it back down. It wasn’t a travel.
He lifted it up his left completely and jumped off the right foot, thus switching the pivot foot. That is a travel all day, any day.
 
Missed most of the game but caught the last 6 minutes. Announcers mentioned we looked tired. What do y’all think?
 
He lifted it up his left completely and jumped off the right foot, thus switching the pivot foot. That is a travel all day, any day.

That's not a walk on any level and never has been. You can lift your pivot foot all you want. You can't drag it or put it down.

You see similar moves a lot where the player drags but doesn't lift the pivot foot. That's a travel.
 
He lifted it up his left completely and jumped off the right foot, thus switching the pivot foot. That is a travel all day, any day.
It’s a step through. It’s a very common basketball move and was 100% clean.
 
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Missed most of the game but caught the last 6 minutes. Announcers mentioned we looked tired. What do y’all think?

Reed 35 minutes. Karaban 39. Yeah, we were a bit gassed, but the comeback happened before that point.
 
It's not only the total number of fouls, it's also how and when they were called and on whom.

One of my big pet peeves is when refs call nothing in the first half and then everything in the second half. It messes up the flow of the game. It matters less to me how the game is called than that it's called consistently.

Similarly, when they were in the bonus and only had three fouls called against them, that made it really hard for us in the second half. A lot of of our key players were on the bench and the refs took away our ability to aggressively guard people. That changed the flow of the game dramatically and greatly contributed to their second half run. As often is the case, it seems like at one point they looked up at the scoreboard and said "oh crap this is really lopsided" and started calling more fouls on BYU. But, by that time, the damage was done and we had what four guys with four fouls?

No that I'm not going all conspiracy theory on this and saying that the refs secretly hate us or in BYU's pocket. I am saying that the game was inconsistently called half to half and in the second half the fouls were very lopsided against Connecticut until about eight minutes to go or so. It is what it is, and we ended up winning, but it is a pet peeve.

Bad calls happen. It's idiotic for fans of any team to insist their team is targeted.
 
Because I find yours and others assumption that a top 10 team making a comeback having to do with UConn playing bad and not BYU playing to their true ability a bizarre one. BYU is a really good team, a blowout win would have been nice but is not a realistic expectation for a top 10 matchup
A blowout would not have been assumed haven't they already been up 20. That is something to consider here. Not being able to put a team away is something. When you're spotted a 20 point lead, they lose a starter to a concussion and you can't close, it means something.
 
A blowout would not have been assumed haven't they already been up 20. That is something to consider here. Not being able to put a team away is something. When you're spotted a 20 point lead, they lose a starter to a concussion and you can't close, it means something.
“Can’t put a team away”

Did we lose? What does it mean to put a team away? Is there a definition? I think it means winning, which we did
 
Where's the replay??

Fox just shows a condensed version currently.
That’s what I watched but from three different postings. Some longer than others. I usually get my replay from here or the trustworthy overseas source that posts on YouTube. Lol.
 
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A blowout would not have been assumed haven't they already been up 20. That is something to consider here. Not being able to put a team away is something. When you're spotted a 20 point lead, they lose a starter to a concussion and you can't close, it means something.
We weren't spotted a 20 point lead, we shot the lights out in the 1st half to build up that lead, something that is not sustainable over a full 40 minute game. BYU shot very poorly, couldn't make a 3, and Dybantsa struggled, something that is not sustainable over a 40 minute game. I'm not surprised the guy who said all month we'd struggle OOC can't admit we had a great OOC win though
 
Lol, and yet fans of every team everywhere always do. In this case, at least for me, I'm just arguing that the calls were inconsistent. That's indisputably true.

Thank you, Mr. Every Fan.
 
Well dude Hurley himself is self reflective. Not a sin to point out things that he can improve upon. Not the first game by a long shot where we can’t seem to inbound at critical times, or foul constantly and unnecessarily. We fix that and we will be nasty.
Keyword: SELF
 
Watched the replay. At one point this game became a uncalled push-off, stiff arm, shoulder drop instructional video.
For the two "laugh emoji" reactions, did you NOT see this ? Because it was there the entire second half
 
The point here no one wants to give a thought too (and probably the boards worst fear when it comes to me), is him being the starter and continuing to play at this level.

Talk about being self absorbed. Do you really believe that anyone on this board is concerned at all as to whether or not you are correct in your opinion of a player?
 
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