BRIMAH SAT while coach fiddled

[mauconnfan]

So what's it say about Brimah that his raw/unpolished output is on par production/efficiency wise as a blossoming Hilton who went in the 1st round?

It's not!

 

[Horatio]

Brimahs ( and one/ goal tend ) play was classic. He did impact the game in the end but he makes far too many mistakes.

 

[uconnever]

He's no Okafor but he does need some front court help which I believe would hide some of his short comings. If Okafor was on this team he would be good but he wouldn't look like the Okafor we know.

 

[Candyman]

I like AB but I have been critical of him in the past however he was impacting that game yesterday and needs to be on the court no matter how horrible a rebounder he is. Their bigs got nothing on Brimah in the 2nd half and when he sat in the first half Kennedy destroyed us when they took their big lead.

Him and Nolan though are probably the two worst rebounding centers we have ever had to play that many minutes. Brimah needs to add size, plain and simple, he gets boxed out and pushed around like crazy.

The dfference in this game was rebounding. Yes Boat and Dham played poor but SMU didnt shoot great either. Their POY Moore shot horrible and Kennedy had 2 2nd half points. They killed us on the glass just like Cincy and Tulsa. Moore, Morreira and Kennedy just got every rebound and did it easily.

 

[Inyatkin]

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=amida-brimah&p1=hilton-armstrong

Almost uncanny until you get to defensive rebounding.
Also, Hilton shooting 50 percent from three

 

[jibsey]

Lubin's gonna get those rebounds for us next year, he's a fighter.

 

[OkaForPrez]

Almost uncanny until you get to defensive rebounding.
Also, Hilton shooting 50 percent from three

yea but on 1/2. Basically throw away.

 

[Inyatkin]

yea but on 1/2. Basically throw away.

Forgot my sarcasm icon

 

[businesslawyer]

That was the key point in the game... Rodney not boxing out and the 3 late fouls...Killers when we were down 5 and needed another possession...

Yes as to the fouls but you're dead wrong on Purvis. He had inside position on a much bigger player and got a body on him. Ball just came off the rim too long to the weak side. Stuff happens.

 

[3rdbass]

So what's it say about Brimah that his raw/unpolished output is on par production/efficiency wise as a blossoming Hilton who went in the 1st round?

AB is a nice college player but until he can put up real numbers against true big men he isn't getting drafted in the NBA. Hopefully he hits the weight room super hard this off season. I love the energy but he just lacks so much strength that it is sad.

 

[businesslawyer]

The rebounding stats are really not key here. If you've watched us post-Okafor, we clearly coach every big who has ups to go for any shot he thinks he can block or change and put the burden on the other players to get to the rim and keep us from getting destroyed on our defensive boards. We've had many great teams that block a lot of shots and gave up a lot of offensive rebounds. This is a coaching choice we have always made and been successful with.

Nolan's inability to rebound better, however, is an entirely different matter.

 

[aceboon]

I like AB but I have been critical of him in the past however he was impacting that game yesterday and needs to be on the court no matter how horrible a rebounder he is. Their bigs got nothing on Brimah in the 2nd half and when he sat in the first half Kennedy destroyed us when they took their big lead.

Him and Nolan though are probably the two worst rebounding centers we have ever had to play that many minutes. Brimah needs to add size, plain and simple, he gets boxed out and pushed around like crazy.

The dfference in this game was rebounding. Yes Boat and Dham played poor but SMU didnt shoot great either. Their POY Moore shot horrible and Kennedy had 2 2nd half points. They killed us on the glass just like Cincy and Tulsa. Moore, Morreira and Kennedy just got every rebound and did it easily.

Our 2 leading scorers shot 3/21, for 15pts. I get that they were outrebounded, but on a team that lacks a variety of scorers, how on earth was rebounding the difference? You're not beating SMU with Boat and DHam playing like that, lets not ignore the obvious here. Look at how Boat, DHam, and Purv played 2 weeks ago against SMU and look how they played yesterday. One guy was there, the other 2 were not, there's your L.

 

[Gurleyman]

Yes as to the fouls but you're dead wrong on Purvis. He had inside position on a much bigger player and got a body on him. Ball just came off the rim too long to the weak side. Stuff happens.

Purvis was quoted that he felt bad about that play and I thought the same thing. Ball just took a long carom. Unlucky.

 

[OkaForPrez]

@businesslawyer Finally some sanity.

 

[Gurleyman]

The rebounding stats are really not key here. If you've watched us post-Okafor, we clearly coach every big who has ups to go for any shot he thinks he can block or change and put the burden on the other players to get to the rim and keep us from getting destroyed on our defensive boards. We've had many great teams that block a lot of shots and gave up a lot of offensive rebounds. This is a coaching choice we have always made and been successful with. Nolan's inability to rebound better, however, is an entirely different matter.

I remember one play when Boone, Armstrong and Gay all flew at the same shot and pretty much fell over each other. The result was the equivalent of an empty net goal for whoever was standing there under the rim from the other team.

 

[BoatShow]

When are you guys going to get this in your heads. The refs were not going to let Boat or anyone else on UConn make a play that would lead to a UConn win. Offensive end; defensive end. It didn't matter. From the first two off the ball fouls on Brimah to the Boat steal at the end, the refs were in total control of this game.

The refs are bad for each team. They DON'T have a vendetta for us.

I'm probably still butthurt (and not just from 4 days of XL Center cuisine) but it felt like every time the crowd was ready to erupt and we were about to make a big play and finally cut it to a single possession game the refs pulled some complete bs out of their ass. Like the refs were reverse intimidated by the crowd and didn't want to be accused of letting the homecourt influence them in such a big game.

 

[UConnSwag11]

is he a troll?

 

[joober jones]

Take away Hilton's dagger from deep if you will, but if so, can it be applied to this season instead?

 

[joober jones]

I haven't read all the replies yet so I don't know if anyone else had this same thought, but when I first looked at the title of this post and saw SAT I was afraid the NCAA was busting us for academics.

 

[Chief00]

There was a classic overhead angle showing SMU guys getting multiple rebounds by jumping up and over Amida and Phil who each remained flat footed looking up at the action.

These guys need serious schooling.

And that schooling ain't coming from Coach Miller

 

[mauconnfan]

The rebounding stats are really not key here. If you've watched us post-Okafor, we clearly coach every big who has ups to go for any shot he thinks he can block or change and put the burden on the other players to get to the rim and keep us from getting destroyed on our defensive boards. We've had many great teams that block a lot of shots and gave up a lot of offensive rebounds. This is a coaching choice we have always made and been successful with.

Nolan's inability to rebound better, however, is an entirely different matter.

His inability compared to who Brimah? You're kidding me right? Laughable..Nolan works harder than AB, plays better "overall" D by far and really is a better rebounder although neither is good at all. People are lost!

 

[mauconnfan]

And that schooling ain't coming from Coach Miller

Coach Miller, Coach Vaughn doesn't matter unless they bring the worlds best pyschologist with them. Can't teach dumb Chief as you should understand! You still believe a "big mans coach" has to be BIG. please, watch the tourney and tell me how many guys are on the bench over 6'4" in a suit!

 

[selles]

His inability compared to who Brimah? You're kidding me right? Laughable..Nolan works harder than AB, plays better "overall" D by far and really is a better rebounder although neither is good at all. People are lost!

Who's lost? Bizlaw is saying that Nolan is not a shot blocker and therefore does not have that excuse for failing to rebound better than he does. Do you disagree with that? Philly played better than he had in the conference tournament, but it was still obvious that even Rock - all 6'5" of him - is a better rim protector.

I'm starting to think you're the one who has over-inflated expectations for Brimah. You're so focused on his flaws that you miss the very obvious things he brings to the table.

 

[Dogbreath2U]

It's not as much of a stretch as you think. He averaged 9.4 (inflated by the 40 game) and 4.6 in 26.5 mpg. Let's say he gets up to 29 mpg by avoiding foul trouble, that gets him to 10.2 and 5. I know you hate the comp, but Hash added 3 pts and 3 board to his game in flat min soph to junior. There's a rise to be had.

I would put Amida's sophomore year pretty close to Hilton's Senior year.

I am watching the 2006 season when I use my treadmill and have seen many of the games from that year. Hilton was so much better than AB as a sophomore that the comparison is a huge insult to Hilton. Hilton was amazingly good that year, particularly during the second half. He was blocking shots, making jumpshots, passing the ball, rebounding.....all around strong play. I've just gotten to the last Louisville game of the year and Hilton and Boone somehow smashed into each other in practice and Hilton is not right in this game. I'm wondering if this injury continued to affect him, but time will tell (when I get to the NCAAs). Hilton was better than Boone that year by a good amount and won BE Defensive Player of the Year. Bottom line, go watch some of those games and tell me that AB is close to Hilton as a senior. Hilton shared the rebounds with Boone, Gay, Adrien, and Nelson.

 

[Danzz]

He doesn't get his butt an a man and block out well enough. I think we see a big change next year. He'll have the opportunity to possibly attend a big mans camp and sharpen his fundamentals.

 

[joober jones]

I am watching the 2006 season when I use my treadmill and have seen many of the games from that year. Hilton was so much better than AB as a sophomore that the comparison is a huge insult to Hilton. Hilton was amazingly good that year, particularly during the second half. He was blocking shots, making jumpshots, passing the ball, rebounding.....all around strong play. I've just gotten to the last Louisville game of the year and Hilton and Boone somehow smashed into each other in practice and Hilton is not right in this game. I'm wondering if this injury continued to affect him, but time will tell (when I get to the NCAAs). Hilton was better than Boone that year by a good amount and won BE Defensive Player of the Year. Bottom line, go watch some of those games and tell me that AB is close to Hilton as a senior. Hilton shared the rebounds with Boone, Gay, Adrien, and Nelson.

I often wonder how he'd have developed if he wasn't behind so many guys (Okafor, Villanueva etc) and got more minutes early on. I still hold out hopes for him making it back to the NBA and sticking around.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

So what's it say about Brimah that his raw/unpolished output is on par production/efficiency wise as a blossoming Hilton who went in the 1st round?

Who says it was? I think this idea that the season Amida just had is on par with Hilton's senior year is a joke and an insult to Hilton. I don't know what kind of stats or metrics you're digging out to support this, but Hilton was miles better as a senior than Amida was this year. I'm not sure if that manifests in better numbers, because he was on a much, much better team with other guys competing for rebounds, etc.

But you could not have watched Hilton that season and come to the conclusion that the year Amida just turned in was the equivalent.

 

[joober jones]

Their shot blocking style is pretty different. HA excelled at coming in and blocking shots from the weak side whereas AB is most effective blocking on the strong side.

 

[Buzzyboy]

Here's the thing. No, it didn't. SMU scored exactly 6 second chance points in the 2nd half. Which is remarkable when you consider they were missing most of their shots, because of Brimah, and the fact that they were playing a bigger front court lineup than us and playing their style of basketball which is designed to get the ball deep into the post and then crash the glass.

He might have been saying OFFENSIVE rebounds, which could have easily resulted in points for our side. Offensive rebounds are pretty significant too, aren't they?

 

[selles]

I don't know what kind of stats or metrics you're digging out to support this, but Hilton was miles better as a senior than Amida was this year.

If you're uncertain what he's talking about, you could do him the courtesy of clicking on his link, which is a comparison of stats. Even except for rebounds.

I watched in 2006 and I'm watching now and I'm not really certain that Hilton was tons better in 2006 than Amida is now. Hilton had a much more mature NBA body. But the "other guys playing around him taking away stats" argument works both ways. Hilton never had the burden that Amida has had this year.

No one's arguing that we don't need Amida to get better. The argument is whether he's half decent now. He is, and it shouldn't really be as debatable as it's been in this thread.