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To me the spotlight should shift more toward hiring minority GM's instead of focusing primarily on head coaches. THAT to me is where you will start to plant the seeds to see a difference at the head coach level.

How about this idea for the NFL. Set a threshold at lets say 25%. If less than 25% of GM's and head coaches are minority, any team hiring a minority GM gets a pick at the end of the first round. Any team hiring a minority head coach gets a pick at the end of the second round.

Get rid of these fake interviews, and put some meat on the bone here. And really give that reward for the GM hire. That to me is where you can really change things. FWIW I believe that as of now if you lose a minority coach to another team (he becomes a head coach with another team) then you get two future 3rd round picks. But that hasn't driven much change as of yet.

Of course I come up with this plan about minority GMs driving change and then in regards to Flores, he was fired by a black GM in Miami and then a new black GM in Chicago passes on hiring him after the interview. Which to me makes me think race isn't SPECIFICALLY the issue in regards to Flores. Sounds like how he handled people in Miami really has a lot of people on edge. For now. He eventually would have been able to rehab his image and get a job next year IMO. Although that's all out the door now.

As for this Daboll/Flores thing it was pretty much all over the NY media the last week or so that this was setting up to be a Schoen vs Mara fight for head coach with Schoen wanting Daboll and Mara trying to push Flores on him. And in the end, Mara decided to relent and let his GM pick the coach. and now he's getting sued LOL. Mara just can't win. It's amazing.
 
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We will see what evidence comes out about what may or may not have happened between Flores and Miami. But he definitely ran coaches out, and a couple of players as well in Kenny Stills and Minkah Fitzpatrick. And while that happens, he was also really really bad in his treatment of his QB's. That is one thing you absolutely can not do in the NFL. He treated them all badly at some point, and that is a sure way to screw yourself.
 
JMick said:
No, it doesn't mean racism, but it is the main issue. If the coaches are overwhelmingly white, the majority of front offices are white, and the owners are all white, and they hire their white relatives and friends/friends kids for entry level positions, it's taking positions away from qualified minority candidates.
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Have you seen Jerry Reese the former GM?
 
JMick said:
No, it doesn't mean racism, but it is the main issue. If the coaches are overwhelmingly white, the majority of front offices are white, and the owners are all white, and they hire their white relatives and friends/friends kids for entry level positions, it's taking positions away from qualified minority candidates.
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Tell me what the Rooney Rule has actually accomplished? Some African American coaches were given an interview at a job they weren't getting anyway because they owners didn't want to get in trouble? Feels like there's a better solution for the issue out there.
 
Deepster said:
Tell me what the Rooney Rule has actually accomplished? Some African American coaches were given an interview at a job they weren't getting anyway because they owners didn't want to get in trouble? Feels like there's a better solution for the issue out there.
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The Rooney rule hasn't accomplished anything. Like I said, it's all about connections and if they want to increase the number of minority coaches then they need to be given more opportunities at the ground level so they can form those connections.
 
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Waquoit said:
The Giants have never had a black coach.
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Neither has a lot of teams. They had a black GM for over a decade. If they hire Pep Hamilton they will have 3 black coordinators.

My guess is you did not read the complaint filed.
 
Waquoit said:
What other teams have never had a black coach? Not head coach, coach.
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I'm confused now, I thought you were saying head coach but are you suggesting the Giants have never had a black coach?
 
Waquoit said:
What other teams have never had a black coach? Not head coach, coach.
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I just told you the Giants have black coaches. They have a black DC and STC currently. What are you talking about???
 
Waquoit said:
The Giants have never had a black coach.
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They’ve always had a ton of black non head coaches and their GM prior to Gettleman was black. They have no problem putting African Americans in positions of power.
 
The Viking said:
They’ve always had a ton of black non head coaches and their GM prior to Gettleman was black. They have no problem putting African Americans in positions of power.
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Not surprising the guy who throws out, without pointing to anything specific, that there is a lot racism in this thread also has literally no idea what he is talking about on the subject at hand.
 
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HeGotGame said:
Not surprising the guy who throws out, without pointing to anything specific, that there is a lot racism in this thread also has literally no idea what he is talking about on the subject at hand.
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Could be true on this one as I was repeating something I heard on TV. I should have put in the question mark. And do I have to point out the casual racism? It's so obvious. I hesitate because these days there is more pushback to pointing out racism than being racist.
 
Waquoit said:
Could be true on this one as I was repeating something I heard on TV. I should have put in the question mark. And do I have to point out the casual racism? It's so obvious. I hesitate because these days there is more pushback to pointing out racism than being racist.
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So you admit you were insinuating the Giants are racist based on something you heard on TV, despite responding to a comment that directly contradicted it. Maybe there is pushback because situations like where it is just thrown around by people who have zero idea about what they are talking about on the subject?
 
It's not the just the Giants, it's the NFL and their fans. I mean, read this thread.
 
Waquoit said:
It's not the just the Giants, it's the NFL and their fans. I mean, read this thread.
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Do not try to move the goal posts, you made a specific comment about the Giants, that is what this about. It is very simple.

Use the internet, read the thread, you have the information at your disposal, I suggest you use it before making comments and insinuations in the future.
 
Deepster said:
Tell me what the Rooney Rule has actually accomplished? Some African American coaches were given an interview at a job they weren't getting anyway because they owners didn't want to get in trouble? Feels like there's a better solution for the issue out there.
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Lifted from an article on the Rooney rule. ‘Would Tomlin have been a serious candidate for the Steelers’ head coaching position without the Rooney Rule? It’s impossible to say, but the rule certainly put Tomlin on the Rooneys’ radar, and in that regard, it worked perfectly. ‘

“Here was a young man that came out of nowhere and was suddenly one of the top candidates to be the Steelers’ third head coach since 1969.

You might say Tomlin benefited from the rule by having his talents brought to light, but that was the whole point. “
 
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HeGotGame said:
Do not try to move the goal posts, you made a specific comment about the Giants, that is what this about. It is very simple.

Use the internet, read the thread, you have the information at your disposal, I suggest you use it before making comments and insinuations in the future.
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Spare the poster review panel. I copped to it. My error doesn't mean that the Giants aren't a joke that's gotten even worse.
 
NJHusky said:
Lifted from an article on the Rooney rule. ‘Would Tomlin have been a serious candidate for the Steelers’ head coaching position without the Rooney Rule? It’s impossible to say, but the rule certainly put Tomlin on the Rooneys’ radar, and in that regard, it worked perfectly. ‘

“Here was a young man that came out of nowhere and was suddenly one of the top candidates to be the Steelers’ third head coach since 1969.

You might say Tomlin benefited from the rule by having his talents brought to light, but that was the whole point. “
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I think it's funny that the the only team that takes the Rooney Rule seriously is the Rooney team. The rule itself is just bad eye wash.
 
Waquoit said:
Spare the poster review panel. I copped to it. My error doesn't mean that the Giants aren't a joke that's gotten even worse.
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Considering the Giants won a SB with a black DC and you believed the Giants never had a single black coach I hold your football opinion and knowledge in as high as regard as I hold your posts.
 
Waquoit said:
The rule itself is just bad eye wash.
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Why? The goal was to get minority candidates in front of the people that do the hiring so even if they don’t get this job they get exposure and maybe another job. The Giants had a minority GM that they promoted, should they be exempted?
 
Flores’s lawyers were on WFAN and said that within a half hour of firing Judge, Mara reached out to Flores and said he was “Maras guy”.
Carton said he had a separate source who also said that Mara had told Flores that he wanted to bring Flores home and he wished he did four years ago.
So the NY reporters pitting this as Maras guy vs Maras GMs guy sounds spot on.
I can picture Mara right now pounding fine bourbons until he dies just wishing he went with his instinct.
 
NJHusky said:
Lifted from an article on the Rooney rule. ‘Would Tomlin have been a serious candidate for the Steelers’ head coaching position without the Rooney Rule? It’s impossible to say, but the rule certainly put Tomlin on the Rooneys’ radar, and in that regard, it worked perfectly. ‘

“Here was a young man that came out of nowhere and was suddenly one of the top candidates to be the Steelers’ third head coach since 1969.

You might say Tomlin benefited from the rule by having his talents brought to light, but that was the whole point. “
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So, since it was established in 2003, the Rooney Rule maybe helped get Mike Tomlin his job.
 
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Deepster said:
So, since it was established in 2003, the Rooney Rule maybe helped get Mike Tomlin his job.
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Sounds like more than maybe but You’re right it’s a terrible rule. It had zero impact on any of the other minority coaches hired since 2003. Maybe They should just mandate that every future coaching hire be a minority? Maybe every future owner too? Problem solved.
 
I’ll go back to my idea being something the NFL moves forward with unless someone can poke holes in it.
The league sets a threshold for percentage of minority GMs and head coaches and as long as the league is under that threshold the team hiring a GM gets a pick at the end of the first round and a team hiring the head coach gets a pick at the end of the second round.
I like the idea of prioritizing front office more than coaching since that is where the largest impact and trickle down effect for minorities would be.
A team could hire a minority GM and coach in one offseason and add two picks in the first two rounds.
I’m not sure how else they can do this. They can’t force a team to hire a particular person. This would cause a spike in minority hirings IMO.
 
HeGotGame said:
They interviewed three black coaches. Not one. Mara texted Flores the day he fired Judge to tell Flores he was interested in him, Flores admits that, why would he bother to do that all for a fake interview?

I say this as a Giants fan who despises John Mara. I would love this to result in forcing the team. It won't, but I would love it.
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Under recent enhancements made to the Rooney Rule, first instituted in 2003 to promote diversity by requiring teams to interview minority candidates for head coaching jobs, NFL teams must interview two external minority candidates. One of those interviews must be in person.

The Giants had already virtually interviewed Buffalo Bills defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier. It was interviewing Flores that satisfied the Rooney Rule.

www.bostonglobe.com

Brian Flores revealed what Black coaches have known all along: The odds are always stacked against them - The Boston Globe

Flores took what was an open industry secret and brought it into the legal light of day.
www.bostonglobe.com www.bostonglobe.com
 
HeGotGame said:
They interviewed three black coaches. Not one. Mara texted Flores the day he fired Judge to tell Flores he was interested in him, Flores admits that, why would he bother to do that all for a fake interview?

I say this as a Giants fan who despises John Mara. I would love this to result in forcing the team. It won't, but I would love it.
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I am a Giants fan also and I blame the lack of success in the last few years on John Mara and Steve Tisch. The kids don't know what they are doing and have made terrible hiring decisions in leadership positions in the organization. To run a successful team you need to hire highly qualified people to make decisions. Their fathers would not be proud of what they've done with the franchise.

I think in general most of the children of aging or deceased NFL owners are not qualified to run the franchises they inherited (e.g. Jim Irsay and Marc Davis). Just because your father knew what they were doing doesn't mean the offspring are qualified to continue the ownership.
 
HooperScooper said:
I am a Giants fan also and I blame the lack of success in the last few years on John Mara and Steve Tisch. The kids don't know what they are doing and have made terrible hiring decisions in leadership positions in the organization. To run a successful team you need to hire highly qualified people to make decisions. Their fathers would not be proud of what they've done with the franchise.

I think in general most of the children of aging or deceased NFL owners are not qualified to run the franchises they inherited (e.g. Jim Irsay and Marc Davis). Just because your father knew what they were doing doesn't mean the offspring are qualified to continue the ownership.
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Wellington let the Giants franchise rot for 30 years eventually lucked into getting George Young and Parcells.
 
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