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husky429 said:
On the other hand, he's a professional. If I have a drug or alcohol problem, my boss doesn't do a damn thing to help me. That's up to my family and friends. I don't see why anyone in the organization really owes Bouk any kind of personal counseling.
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Ultimately, you're right. They don't owe him anything. He's a grown man with plenty of resources and support at his disposal, and it's not some huge moral failure on the part of the organization to expect him to show up to work every day - particularly in the absence of any direct plea for help from Bouknight. Basketball coaches aren't psych counselors, and we shouldn't expect them to be.

But we're not talking about painting fences here. This is a job that requires him to fully reciprocate whatever physical and mental investment the organization has made in him - and they, by extension, aren't doing their jobs if they can't recognize how these issues make it impossible for him to do his.

runner11 said:
We don’t know nearly enough to say he is an alcoholic or a druggie or suicidal or just immature. You have no reason to determine that Clifford is looking through the wrong lens because none of us know anything about him.
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I've tried to stop short of calling him suicidal, but let's just think about it. He:

- Got behind the wheel of a car in a public setting, surely knowing he was well above the legal limit...

- Parked said car in such a way as to block an exit, thereby maximizing whatever disruption he'd caused and ensuring that someone would notice him...

- Left the car running, with a gun in his hand, as he dozed off...

All two days before the start of the season.

I don't like to make assumptions, but it doesn't exactly require a master's in behavioral science to piece this one together. He's putting it on a tee for us, and the only reason he's still going through the motions of playing is that he can't make the horse drink.
 
ClifSpliffy said:
what are u so mad about to post this junk?
'Relax Bouk is Ofer so far. Hope is team might be giving some grief.'

why on earth would you be harshing on him like this? does he owe u money?
'Hope is team might be giving some grief.'
are you drunk?
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He is someone that needs to understand that actions (and words) have consequences. I hope he learns that lesson
 
UcannUconn said:
Bouknight 0-5. He just doesn’t work hard enough off the ball and settles for his mechanically good but inconsistent jump shot too much.
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ClifSpliffy said:
'Why couldn't she date one of the women's players?'
germane, ad rem, felicitous.
now, that's pithy.

'He was seeing three baskets.'
scurrilous, vitriolic, derogatory.
a cheap shot.

ur avatar is a beer can.
iifn u went 2 for 2, i would have said something nicer, and not mentioned that ur avatar is a beer can.


general observation: howcum the coppers hung around for an hour, and didn't bash a window in early, say 15 minutes in or so? i don't get that part. you know, unconscious, unresponsive, gun, all that.
seems weird. an hour?
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Maybe they saw the gun, knew he was drunk and thought if they startled him he might just grab the gun and shoot
 
Edward Sargent said:
He is someone that needs to understand that actions (and words) have consequences. I hope he learns that lesson
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Sure, but it certainly seems like things are beyond just that at this point. He worked very hard to get where he is at and has the opportunity to live out his dream. When a person is in a position like that and continues to act in ways that are damaging to themselves and others, it certainly could signify a much bigger problem. That doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be consequences- there should be, but there should also be available help to get at what is going on.

Again, he is not my client and it would be unethical of me to throw out specific ideas. In general, substance use disorder and other mental illness shouldn’t be immediately dismissed for people in that situation. People do dumb stuff everyday and they can just be throwaway things chalked up to nonsense, but patterns of poor and reckless decision-making should be setting off alarm bells, no matter who is doing it.

He’s lucky in that he has resources, financial and otherwise, available to him and has people who love and care about him. We’ve seen people in the public eye who have had all that and still can’t overcome whatever is going on. I wish him well.
 
champs99and04 said:
Ultimately, you're right. They don't owe him anything. He's a grown man with plenty of resources and support at his disposal, and it's not some huge moral failure on the part of the organization to expect him to show up to work every day - particularly in the absence of any direct plea for help from Bouknight. Basketball coaches aren't psych counselors, and we shouldn't expect them to be.

But we're not talking about painting fences here. This is a job that requires him to fully reciprocate whatever physical and mental investment the organization has made in him - and they, by extension, aren't doing their jobs if they can't recognize how these issues make it impossible for him to do his.



I've tried to stop short of calling him suicidal, but let's just think about it. He:

- Got behind the wheel of a car in a public setting, surely knowing he was well above the legal limit...

- Parked said car in such a way as to block an exit, thereby maximizing whatever disruption he'd caused and ensuring that someone would notice him...

- Left the car running, with a gun in his hand, as he dozed off...

All two days before the start of the season.

I don't like to make assumptions, but it doesn't exactly require a master's in behavioral science to piece this one together. He's putting it on a tee for us, and the only reason he's still going through the motions of playing is that he can't make the horse drink.
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Sometimes suicidal isn't "I'm going to kill myself" and more "well, I'll do things that could result in my death"

It's clear the kid has substance issues;. but I think it would be imprudent to try diagnose the kid past that. He could be suicidal but I wouldn't say any evidence specifically points to that. Dudes get drunk with guns on their person all the time. Shoot, my brother did three years in the pen for that exact thing and he was never suicidal, just an idiot with a meth problem and an AK he should have left at home before stepping on a college campus
 
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Frequently actions speak louder than words.. JB's actions have been the sign of someone asking for help. Hope he gets it.
 
Something that might have been mentioned but I didn’t see it yet - is it possible the gun is illegally obtained?

With previous DUIs that can be a disqualifying reason to deny a gun purchase, at least in the Northeast.

This would make the charge much worse.
 
g_smith said:
Something that might have been mentioned but I didn’t see it yet - is it possible the gun is illegally obtained?

With previous DUIs that can be a disqualifying reason to deny a gun purchase, at least in the Northeast.

This would make the charge much worse.
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He has a gun permit pending and he didn't need a permit anyways since it wasn't concealed. As of now, gun charges aren't in the equation.
 
topogigio said:
A bad seed, period!
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Ya know, I've worked with thousands of kids at my job, and met dozens of formerly incarcerated people in my life through my wife's pro bono work... I can't say I've ever met a "bad seed."

Bad environment? Yup.
Bad coping skills? Yup.
Bad mental health? Yup.
Bad substance abuse? Yup.
Bad seed? Nah.

Are there people out there who just aren't wired the right way? I'm sure. Are they few and far between? Definitely.
 
I’m not so sure he’s suicidal or has depression. That’s also very hard to dictate on a message forum.

If I had to guess I think he’s got an ego the size of the sun. Rules don’t apply to him and whatever he does, repercussions don’t matter.
 
CTBasketball said:
I’m not so sure he’s suicidal or has depression. That’s also very hard to dictate on a message forum.

If I had to guess I think he’s got an ego the size of the sun. Rules don’t apply to him and whatever he does, repercussions don’t matter.
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So you can’t determine that the first thing is accurate but you’re pretty confident about the second? Why?
 
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husky429 said:
Why does your friend being a lawyer give him some special knowledge on this? Is he one of the trashy DUI specialist lawyers? Lol
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nah, he's on the other side haha. personal injury stuff. not necessarily an expert, just a guy who has been looking at drunk driving car accidents for 30+ years.
 
elmcityboy said:
nah, he's on the other side haha. personal injury stuff. not necessarily an expert, just a guy who has been looking at drunk driving car accidents for 30+ years.
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I figured something like that. Just messing with you.
 
g_smith said:
Something that might have been mentioned but I didn’t see it yet - is it possible the gun is illegally obtained?

With previous DUIs that can be a disqualifying reason to deny a gun purchase, at least in the Northeast.

This would make the charge much worse.
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If you Google what you wrote in the second sentence using North Carolina in the search term and omitting Northeast, you will find the answer in great detail.
 
g_smith said:
Something that might have been mentioned but I didn’t see it yet - is it possible the gun is illegally obtained?

With previous DUIs that can be a disqualifying reason to deny a gun purchase, at least in the Northeast.

This would make the charge much worse.
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To my knowledge he doesn't have prior DUI charges, per se, even though his incident at UConn probably involved drunk driving.
 
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CardiacAndre7 said:
Kid should absolutely not be on a basketball court right now. If all the reports are true, he needs serious help. Allowing him to play belittles the issues.
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Or maybe on the basketball court, surrounded by his teammates, coaches, trainers etc is exactly where he needs to be
 
Let’s talk hoops. 0-5 in 14 minutes after shooting terribly in preseason. Who goes G league first. Bouk or Tyrese?
 
husky429 said:
Sometimes suicidal isn't "I'm going to kill myself" and more "well, I'll do things that could result in my death"

It's clear the kid has substance issues;. but I think it would be imprudent to try diagnose the kid past that. He could be suicidal but I wouldn't say any evidence specifically points to that. Dudes get drunk with guns on their person all the time. Shoot, my brother did three years in the pen for that exact thing and he was never suicidal, just an idiot with a meth problem and an AK he should have left at home before stepping on a college campus
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And sometimes “I’m going to kill myself” ends in suicide.
 
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NJHoops said:
Sure, but it certainly seems like things are beyond just that at this point. He worked very hard to get where he is at and has the opportunity to live out his dream. When a person is in a position like that and continues to act in ways that are damaging to themselves and others, it certainly could signify a much bigger problem. That doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be consequences- there should be, but there should also be available help to get at what is going on.

Again, he is not my client and it would be unethical of me to throw out specific ideas. In general, substance use disorder and other mental illness shouldn’t be immediately dismissed for people in that situation. People do dumb stuff everyday and they can just be throwaway things chalked up to nonsense, but patterns of poor and reckless decision-making should be setting off alarm bells, no matter who is doing it.

He’s lucky in that he has resources, financial and otherwise, available to him and has people who love and care about him. We’ve seen people in the public eye who have had all that and still can’t overcome whatever is going on. I wish him well.
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Driving drunk and passing out in one’s car can also pretty easily explained by being drunk. I can’t ascribe logic or intent to any decision made by someone so clearly intoxicated (and probably not just on booze).

As for not renewing his contract, it would be exceedingly rare. I think 3 lotto picks have been let go after 2 years in the past decade. All the Suns. And one of these guys is now a starter a year out for another team, Jalen Smith. Meanwhile, young guys getting in trouble is not rare. Look at how many chances Kevin Porter received, granted, he was drafted much later and was traded. But now he is a 22 year old with an 80 million dollar contract. If they cut Bouk I think it will be because they see him in practice every day and don’t believe he is actually good.
 
husky429 said:
Not sure what your point is here.
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Reading between the lines it seemed like you were saying that when someone says "I'm going to kill myself" it usually does not mean they will and that it should not be taken seriously. If I am wrong I apologize.
 
ucp990411 said:
Reading between the lines it seemed like you were saying that when someone says "I'm going to kill myself" it usually does not mean they will and that it should not be taken seriously. If I am wrong I apologize.
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Nah. I'm saying Bouk hasn't said he's going to kill himself, but sometimes people don't say it if they're suicidal. When somebody starts doing risky things out of the blue, it can be a sign.

I also don't think calling the kid suicidal is warranted at this point, as the person I responded to implied. His family and friends would have a better grasp on that. Plenty of people crash their car drunk and keep a gun in their lap.
 
ucp990411 said:
Reading between the lines it seemed like you were saying that when someone says "I'm going to kill myself" it usually does not mean they will and that it should not be taken seriously. If I am wrong I apologize.
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I don't think that's what he was saying at all. I think he was saying that someone can be "suicidal" without expressing an overt desire to kill themselves. They can just conduct themselves in a manner that indicates that they don't value their life.
 
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