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Comparing Boat's and Kemba's progression based strictly on numbers isn't the best thing to do.

Kemba's soph year he had PG duties all to himself and had more experienced options around him. An easier situation to excel in.
Boat's soph year he was splitting PG duties with Napier and was depended on as his team's second scoring option after Napier (lots of pressure to score).

Also, remember, Ryan's freshman year was shortened and disjointed on team with no chemistry. Kemba's freshman year he had a senior squad and was able to contribute as a backup on a Final4 team.

Considering those facts, the numbers don't mean as much as they might head-to-head.
Kemba's leap in play from Soph>Jr is something we won't see from a player for quite a while.
With that being said, I definitely expect Boat to be better next year.

Boat might even be quicker than Kemba, but it's not all about quickness. Kemba learned how to change speeds and that's what Ryan has to learn. For Kemba, it clicked and translated in his play quickly. With Ryan, it remains to be seen how he will adjust.
I actually consider Ryan to be a better shooter than Kemba at this stage. Ryan is a little streaky though. However, Kemba's strength around the basket was very impressive. Ryan is a little smaller and doesn't have the same strength to finish as Kemba did for his size.

My point here is you can't compare apples to oranges. Boat will certainly improve and the hate he's received on this board has been a little uncalled for. The kid stuck with this program after all of his issues on the team his freshman year and the off-season and then no post-season this year... cut him a break.
I have no doubt Ollie will ensure that Ryan improves greatly.
 
James said:
Boatright is a mercurial talent, his ability to get to the rack 1 on 1 is elite. he's even added another gear this year. I have a hard time believing he won't learn to limit his turnovers and improve his passing this summer, he's knows what's at stake. Well it's either that or he needs cash now.
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What cash? It's not guaranteed.

These scouts are telling it how it is. All three need to stay if they have an honest shot of making it into the NBA. Or else, I have a feeling their talent will fester in the D-league.
 
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James said:
Please continue on with our second leading scorer slander. Maybe it's better he just leaves so his ball hogging next year doesn't send you into hysteria.
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Yeah, let's see...why don't you continue with your slander of Kemba Walker. To suggest Boatright is a better leader is just insanity.
 
Guys, all three are not even in the discussion like Kemba was at the end of his sophomore year (regardless of where he was on the boards). DD, SN, and RB are great players, but none...I repeat, none...are ready for the NBA.
 
I'm not a big Boatright fan, but it's pretty easy to see that sophomore Kemba and Boatright are statistically similar, with intangibles and defense going to Kemba.

It's not a ridiculous comparison, but it may be ridiculous to expect Boat to make the same type of leap that Kemba did. Kemba got the keys to the car as a junior, Boat won't get the keys if Bazz comes back.
 
Some people are forgetting that Kemba's jump began in the 2nd half of his sophomore season and not suddenly his Jr campaign.....

He certainly showed the signs of "getting it" and slowing down, taking better shots and being a PG - it was very noticeable to me the light went on the last 12-15 games and made me excited for his Jr season.....
 
mauconnfan said:
Some people are forgetting that Kemba's jump began in the 2nd half of his sophomore season and not suddenly his Jr campaign.....

He certainly showed the signs of "getting it" and slowing down, taking better shots and being a PG - it was very noticeable to me the light went on the last 12-15 games and made me excited for his Jr season.....
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Yes. This is one of the bigger differences. Boat was a better Freshman, or at least had a bigger role. Kemba progressed steadily througout his Sophopmore year, to the point he was added to the USA Select team for the summer of 2010. I think that's where he really took it to another level. But the eye test by the end of each player's sophomore year showed that Kemba's court awareness and decision making was well ahead of Boat's at this stage. Boat was more or less the same both years, showing minimal improvement.

In 09-10, Kemba lead the BE in steals and was second in assists. Boat is 8th in assists and 14th in steals. Rebounds: Kemba, 145 , Boat 85. Blocks: Boat 2, Kemba 15. The statistics bear out the differences. Kemba was very strong on defense, best in the BE, Boat is a mediocre at best on defense. Offensively similar. Boat a better shooter by a small margin, and Kemba taller and stronger, and better at getting to the line. Kemba was certainly a better distributor.
 
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mauconnfan said:
Some people are forgetting that Kemba's jump began in the 2nd half of his sophomore season and not suddenly his Jr campaign.....

He certainly showed the signs of "getting it" and slowing down, taking better shots and being a PG - it was very noticeable to me the light went on the last 12-15 games and made me excited for his Jr season.....
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I saw signs during the 2nd half of the Texas game in 09-10. But you're right if we compare their "jumps in overall talent" Boatright is still way behind. He ended his sophomore campaign on a ehh note.
 
James said:
Boatright has insane intangibles and a better leader already. thing is that title really whiped your memory of sophomore kemba I guess.
Listen I'm a kemba Fan boy and consider him a star in the league. FYI .
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I expect Boat to be much better next year, but you're going to have to point out these intangibles and leadership qualites he showed because I didn't see them. The poor body language and hanging of the head after turnovers and missed shots certainly don't qualify. As for his leadership abilites, I think DeAndre said it best after the USF game when he said that they were missing their leader(Bazz).
 
HuskyHawk said:
Yes. This is one of the bigger differences. Boat was a better Freshman, or at least had a bigger role. Kemba progressed steadily througout his Sophopmore year, to the point he was added to the USA Select team for the summer of 2010. I think that's where he really took it to another level. But the eye test by the end of each player's sophomore year showed that Kemba's court awareness and decision making was well ahead of Boat's at this stage. Boat was more or less the same both years, showing minimal improvement.

In 09-10, Kemba lead the BE in steals and was second in assists. Boat is 8th in assists and 14th in steals. Rebounds: Kemba, 145 , Boat 85. Blocks: Boat 2, Kemba 15. The statistics bear out the differences. Kemba was very strong on defense, best in the BE, Boat is a mediocre at best on defense. Offensively similar. Boat a better shooter by a small margin, and Kemba taller and stronger, and better at getting to the line. Kemba was certainly a better distributor.
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Great post. Kemba was also invited to some of the best camps over the off season, was it the Lebron Skills Camp or the CP3 one? I forget, but NBA scouts and GMs saw the big difference between the two.
 
Just watched the 2011 Big East final victory over Lville again and Bazz was notably quicker then which contributed to his great on-the-ball defense.
With the off-season foot surgery, I think he has never fully got back into condition.
At 100% fitness, his improved quickness would make hima much better draft candidate...another reason to come back!
 
NHUConnfan said:
What cash? It's not guaranteed.

These scouts are telling it how it is. All three need to stay if they have an honest shot of making it into the NBA. Or else, I have a feeling their talent will fester in the D-league.
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"You have a potential pro contract but you need cash now, call J.G. Wentworth, 877-CASH-NOW, 877-CASH-NOW!!!"
 
willie99 said:
we're going back in time now, but I think he moved Kelis Fisher to the 3 because that would be his position at the next level
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Yeah he did it both to benefit Freeman and because we had a logjam in the front court. It didn't work out so well, but it was defensible.
 
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aceboon said:
I expect Boat to be much better next year, but you're going to have to point out these intangibles and leadership qualites he showed because I didn't see them. The poor body language and hanging of the head after turnovers and missed shots certainly don't qualify. As for his leadership abilites, I think DeAndre said it best after the USF game when he said that they were missing their leader(Bazz).
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I consider boatright someone I would want in a foxhole, if he's fighting for what I want. That's an intangible. Oh and he doesnt seem injury prone. very rough cut and gets into the opponents heads. Just who he is. IM not saying he is a freaking bonafide leader, I'm saying he's shown relatively the same amount of flashes as sophomore kemba. It's about channeling his ability, something kemba did quite well.
 
James said:
I consider boatright someone I would want in a foxhole, if he's fighting for what I want. That's an intangible. Oh and he doesnt seem injury prone. very rough cut and gets into the opponents heads. Just who he is. IM not saying he is a freaking bonafide leader, I'm saying he's shown relatively the same amount of flashes as sophomore kemba. It's about channeling his ability, something kemba did quite well.
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Truly, sophomore Kemba (esp. in the second half) was the true leader of the team, taking it away from the dope that Jerome Dyson was. At the very least, we could argue this point.

I have a hard time finding anyone being able to argue that fact that Boat was the leader over Bazz...
 
Inyatkin said:
Yeah he did it both to benefit Freeman and because we had a logjam in the front court. It didn't work out so well, but it was defensible.
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This was one move where I think JC clearly erred in judgment by putting a player before the team. Freeman was clearly our best 4 and should have never been moved to the 3. The team just never really clicked the way you'd expect it to, especially with so many holdovers from a NC team. I suspect that will go down as one of the moves JC would like to have back if he could do it all over again. That and placating a one and done freshman by benching a starter on another NC team. I think Andre was a good enough kid that he would have accepted coming off the bench last year but once he started him there was no turning back. Mumu would have remained engaged all year and things could have turned out significantly better.
 
So what is boatright ? An undersized AVERAGE scorer? whose also a ball hog? TAKES HORRENDOUS shots? Never plays defense? That was a ghost guarding MCW?!? Picking him up full court?
I can't even argue because apparantly stats mean nothing on this board. just narratives
 
What is this "true leader" talk . when exactly did he display this. In all the amazing wins?
 
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Boat can be exceptional and another year under KO and Hobbs will do the trick if he listens. At his size his NBA future, if there is to be one is only at the point.
 
James said:
So what is boatright ? An undersized AVERAGE scorer? whose also a ball hog? TAKES HORRENDOUS shots? Never plays defense? That was a ghost guarding MCW?!? Picking him up full court?
I can't even argue because apparantly stats mean nothing on this board. just narratives
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Good point James. I forgot to add s0me support for Boat in my last post regarding his ability to distribute the ball. We've seen instances where Boat was able to penetrate and make some beautiful passes to teammates either cutting to the rim or camped out behind the 3 point line. This has happened though when he's been paired up with Bazz and able to get some space off the ball. When he's forced to be the true PG up at the top of the key, the outcome has generally been less than desirable. 5 assists per game though aren't a fluke so I still hold out hope that with more seasoning, Boat will develop into the true PG he needs to be to have any chance in the NBA.
 
In the games without Bazz this year he has 6 assists, 8 TOs. He is 7-26 from the field and 1-10 from 3.
 
Jerry1714 said:
In the games without Bazz this year he has 6 assists, 8 TOs. He is 7-26 from the field and 1-10 from 3.
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Is this stat brought up to beat the imaginary horse that I claimed boat is the bonafide leader? ? Or is it saying Napier makes him good and kemba had nobody? so he's doomed.
 
It's hard to really flourish when youre basically the only guard on the roster. when Napier was injured. he wasn't ready for that. I agree there
 
Boat and Daniels are coming off their first full year. Boat missed 1/2 of last year because of NCAA and Daniels barely saw the floor once BE games started in 2012....they NEED at least another year of college, for them this is a conversation for next April.

Bazz would really benefit from another year as well...if he returns UConn will be ranked probably in top 15 to start the year, he will be pre-season conference and maybe national POY candidate and UConn will have plenty of exposure on ESPN/CBS to boost his stock if he plays well. If he leaves now maybe a 2nd rounder, a good year next and 1st round is very possible.
 
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