Borges Talked to Some NBA Scouts

[HobokenHusky]

Here is one for you. http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NCAA-Weekly-Performers-22610-3406/

I guess these nba guys talking about his ability to create his own shot and being a potential first round pick have terrible eyes too James?

Cool, I Stand corrected on the draft spot (although that is one guys opinion who obviously likes him, rightfully so). Doesn't change my stance in Boat. I have faith in him if he comes back, not giving up on him yet

 

[BoatShow]

Ironically enough, they're both #11.

Talking about Dyson and Boatright?

 

[HobokenHusky]

Here one saying he was a lottery pick entering his junior year
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Draft-Prospect-of-the-Week-Kemba-Walker-3588/

You might want to try google next time, this way you can know what you are talking about

I was on my phone leaving the city. I didn't know I needed a bibliography to post on here. I just said I was wrong.

You, good sir, are a .

 

[nelsonmuntz]

If you look at the Calhoun crew's track record with point guards, there is often a huge jump between sophomore and junior year. Ollie was pretty much just fast until his junior year. Marcus Williams and Kemba also had big jumps. El-Amin didn't really budge, but he showed up at UConn a very mature player without much room for improvement. AJ Price got a lot better in his third year playing.

 

[Jerry1714]

I was on my phone leaving the city. I didn't know I needed a bibliography to post on here. I just said I was wrong.

You, good sir, are a .

You made two posts about his draft stock that were way off, and asked for a link to prove it. Then when some does they are a . Yea ok buddy.

 

[OkaForPrez]

I didn't compare the players' ability or NBA readiness at all. Just said both had a tendency to over penetrate and force shots rather than dish.

Yep. From Jerry's link:

"That said, Walker definitely shows some tunnel vision when he decides to attack the basket, usually being dead set on scoring in those situations. He doesn’t show much prowess in the drive-and-dish game, and his decision-making in general has been erratic at times this season, being pretty turnover prone with the ball, both in forcing passes into tough situations and forcing his dribble-drive game."

No matter where we come to consensus as far as how Kemba was performing at the end of his sophomore year, he exploded onto the scene in Maui. We went from unbanked to top 10 iirc all because of Kemba's coming out party. Bazz made a similar "kemba leap" into this year. I attribute a great deal of the maturation of both to Coach Ollie and fully expect a similar bball IQ growth spurt from Boat. The show might be more "me first" then Bazz or Kemba but I don't think that will stunt his growth under KO. That is, unless, his me first causes him to jump.

 

[HobokenHusky]

You made two posts about his draft stock that were way off, and asked for a link to prove it. Then when some does they are a . Yea ok buddy.

I asked for a link because I didn't feel like looking on my phone and was genuinely curious. I was not threatening anyone.
I see you are very proud of your draftexpress.com link where one guy said he might be a late 1st rounder. YOU SHOWED ME! I'LL SURE WATCH IT NEXT TIME I TRY AND CROSS OLE ' JERRY!

Yikes.

 

[Jerry1714]

Critiquing boats play is in no way giving up on him or saying he can't be great, just pointing out something's that he can improve on.

I hope more then anything he makes the leap like kemba did.

 

[Jerry1714]

I asked for a link because I didn't feel like looking on my phone and was genuinely curious. I was not threatening anyone.
I see you are very proud of your draftexpress.com link where one guy said he might be a late 1st rounder. YOU SHOWED ME! I'LL SURE WATCH IT NEXT TIME I TRY AND CROSS OLE ' JERRY!

Yikes.

It was actually 2 links, but whose counting.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

It was actually 2 links, but whose counting.

My counting.

 

[CTBasketball]

Who is projected to go #1?

 

[joober jones]

Talking about Dyson and Boatright?

That would be the pair.

 

[BoatShow]

Who is projected to go #1?

I think Noel is the consensus right?

 

[CTBasketball]

I think Noel is the consensus right?

I thought so, then the ACL happened I thought it would have changed...

 

[UChusky916]

Comparing Boat's and Kemba's progression based strictly on numbers isn't the best thing to do.

Kemba's soph year he had PG duties all to himself and had more experienced options around him. An easier situation to excel in.
Boat's soph year he was splitting PG duties with Napier and was depended on as his team's second scoring option after Napier (lots of pressure to score).

Also, remember, Ryan's freshman year was shortened and disjointed on team with no chemistry. Kemba's freshman year he had a senior squad and was able to contribute as a backup on a Final4 team.

Considering those facts, the numbers don't mean as much as they might head-to-head.
Kemba's leap in play from Soph>Jr is something we won't see from a player for quite a while.
With that being said, I definitely expect Boat to be better next year.

Boat might even be quicker than Kemba, but it's not all about quickness. Kemba learned how to change speeds and that's what Ryan has to learn. For Kemba, it clicked and translated in his play quickly. With Ryan, it remains to be seen how he will adjust.
I actually consider Ryan to be a better shooter than Kemba at this stage. Ryan is a little streaky though. However, Kemba's strength around the basket was very impressive. Ryan is a little smaller and doesn't have the same strength to finish as Kemba did for his size.

My point here is you can't compare apples to oranges. Boat will certainly improve and the hate he's received on this board has been a little uncalled for. The kid stuck with this program after all of his issues on the team his freshman year and the off-season and then no post-season this year... cut him a break.
I have no doubt Ollie will ensure that Ryan improves greatly.

 

[NHUConnfan]

Boatright is a mercurial talent, his ability to get to the rack 1 on 1 is elite. he's even added another gear this year. I have a hard time believing he won't learn to limit his turnovers and improve his passing this summer, he's knows what's at stake. Well it's either that or he needs cash now.

What cash? It's not guaranteed.

These scouts are telling it how it is. All three need to stay if they have an honest shot of making it into the NBA. Or else, I have a feeling their talent will fester in the D-league.

 

[NHUConnfan]

Please continue on with our second leading scorer slander. Maybe it's better he just leaves so his ball hogging next year doesn't send you into hysteria.

Yeah, let's see...why don't you continue with your slander of Kemba Walker. To suggest Boatright is a better leader is just insanity.

 

[NHUConnfan]

Guys, all three are not even in the discussion like Kemba was at the end of his sophomore year (regardless of where he was on the boards). DD, SN, and RB are great players, but none...I repeat, none...are ready for the NBA.

 

[CTBasketball]

Wait...people are saying Boat is the premier leader of this team? Is that a joke?

 

[61cygni]

I'm not a big Boatright fan, but it's pretty easy to see that sophomore Kemba and Boatright are statistically similar, with intangibles and defense going to Kemba.

It's not a ridiculous comparison, but it may be ridiculous to expect Boat to make the same type of leap that Kemba did. Kemba got the keys to the car as a junior, Boat won't get the keys if Bazz comes back.

 

[mauconnfan]

Some people are forgetting that Kemba's jump began in the 2nd half of his sophomore season and not suddenly his Jr campaign.....

He certainly showed the signs of "getting it" and slowing down, taking better shots and being a PG - it was very noticeable to me the light went on the last 12-15 games and made me excited for his Jr season.....

 

[HuskyHawk]

Some people are forgetting that Kemba's jump began in the 2nd half of his sophomore season and not suddenly his Jr campaign.....

He certainly showed the signs of "getting it" and slowing down, taking better shots and being a PG - it was very noticeable to me the light went on the last 12-15 games and made me excited for his Jr season.....

Yes. This is one of the bigger differences. Boat was a better Freshman, or at least had a bigger role. Kemba progressed steadily througout his Sophopmore year, to the point he was added to the USA Select team for the summer of 2010. I think that's where he really took it to another level. But the eye test by the end of each player's sophomore year showed that Kemba's court awareness and decision making was well ahead of Boat's at this stage. Boat was more or less the same both years, showing minimal improvement.

In 09-10, Kemba lead the BE in steals and was second in assists. Boat is 8th in assists and 14th in steals. Rebounds: Kemba, 145 , Boat 85. Blocks: Boat 2, Kemba 15. The statistics bear out the differences. Kemba was very strong on defense, best in the BE, Boat is a mediocre at best on defense. Offensively similar. Boat a better shooter by a small margin, and Kemba taller and stronger, and better at getting to the line. Kemba was certainly a better distributor.

 

[CTBasketball]

Some people are forgetting that Kemba's jump began in the 2nd half of his sophomore season and not suddenly his Jr campaign.....

He certainly showed the signs of "getting it" and slowing down, taking better shots and being a PG - it was very noticeable to me the light went on the last 12-15 games and made me excited for his Jr season.....

I saw signs during the 2nd half of the Texas game in 09-10. But you're right if we compare their "jumps in overall talent" Boatright is still way behind. He ended his sophomore campaign on a ehh note.

 

[aceboon]

Boatright has insane intangibles and a better leader already. thing is that title really whiped your memory of sophomore kemba I guess.
Listen I'm a kemba Fan boy and consider him a star in the league. FYI .

I expect Boat to be much better next year, but you're going to have to point out these intangibles and leadership qualites he showed because I didn't see them. The poor body language and hanging of the head after turnovers and missed shots certainly don't qualify. As for his leadership abilites, I think DeAndre said it best after the USF game when he said that they were missing their leader(Bazz).

 

[Jerry1714]

Yes. This is one of the bigger differences. Boat was a better Freshman, or at least had a bigger role. Kemba progressed steadily througout his Sophopmore year, to the point he was added to the USA Select team for the summer of 2010. I think that's where he really took it to another level. But the eye test by the end of each player's sophomore year showed that Kemba's court awareness and decision making was well ahead of Boat's at this stage. Boat was more or less the same both years, showing minimal improvement.

In 09-10, Kemba lead the BE in steals and was second in assists. Boat is 8th in assists and 14th in steals. Rebounds: Kemba, 145 , Boat 85. Blocks: Boat 2, Kemba 15. The statistics bear out the differences. Kemba was very strong on defense, best in the BE, Boat is a mediocre at best on defense. Offensively similar. Boat a better shooter by a small margin, and Kemba taller and stronger, and better at getting to the line. Kemba was certainly a better distributor.

Great post. Kemba was also invited to some of the best camps over the off season, was it the Lebron Skills Camp or the CP3 one? I forget, but NBA scouts and GMs saw the big difference between the two.