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tzznandrew said:
I think he's really excited. He has some reason--this isn't the armageddon that we thought it could be--but I think he's talked himself into this a little too much.
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You give him too much credit. He actually said Herbst might turn down an invite to the ACC.
 
Butchy said:
Look at this list, and you'll see how things change. Not hard to grasp. Economically, this country is undergoing massive changes. If you can't see that, too bad for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS
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That's the list I used. Again, the Ivy championships come from an entirely different era, one where few went to college and there was no recruiting. They were basically the only ones playing football. Look at the "National Poll Championships (1936-Present)." That's an over 70 year window after those above stated changes had occurred. The only "surprises" on that list are Minnesota and Army, neither of which have won anything since 1960. The elite have, more or less, been the elite, with a few upstarts.



School​
Championships​
Seasons​

Alabama 8 1961, 1964, 1965 (AP), 1973 (Coaches), 1978 (AP), 1979, 1992, 2009
Notre Dame 8 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949, 1966, 1973 (AP), 1977, 1988
Oklahoma 7 1950, 1955, 1956, 1974 (AP), 1975, 1985, 2000
USC 7 1962, 1967, 1972, 1974 (Coaches), 1978 (Coaches), 2003 (AP), 2004 (AP)*
Miami 5 1983, 1987, 1989, 1991 (AP), 2001
Nebraska 5 1970 (AP), 1971, 1994, 1995, 1997 (Coaches)
Ohio State 5 1942, 1954 (AP), 1957 (Coaches), 1968, 2002
Minnesota 4 1936, 1940, 1941, 1960
Texas 4 1963, 1969, 1970 (Coaches), 2005
Florida 3 1996, 2006, 2008
LSU 3 1958, 2003 (Coaches), 2007
Army 2 1944, 1945
Auburn 2 1957 (AP), 2010
Florida State 2 1993, 1999
Michigan 2 1948, 1997 (AP)
Michigan State 2 1952, 1965 (Coaches)
Penn State 2 1982, 1986
Pittsburgh 2 1937, 1976
Tennessee 2 1951, 1998
 
Butchy said:
Did you say "upstarts"? Golly gee willigers."
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???

Did you just post a non sequitor to deflect attention from the fact that your point is wrong? Or maybe it is ad hominem in that you attempt to paint me in a poor light rather than dealing with my point. "Anyone who says 'upstart' must be old and out of touch (rather than, say, 27), and old people are senile (true) and going to die soon (also true), and so we shouldn't listen to him."

Classify them however you like.

Florida, Miami, and Penn State were relatively late to winning titles. Regardless, Penn State was not in a major media market, so I don't think that proves your point.
 
WingU-Conn said:
You give him too much credit. He actually said Herbst might turn down an invite to the ACC.
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You people think the ACC is going to have a bigger contract with 4 schools in North Carolina and 2 schools in Virginia? Really? Pittsburgh, Syracuse are declining cities, as well. Just wait and see. Buffalo used to be one of the top ten cities in the US. Now it's higher than 50. We have 6 schools situated in HUGE metropolitan areas in the tri-state area, Dallas, Houston, Orlando and Tampa Bay. Then we have another 3 programs that have a national appeal in Boise State, Navy and Air Force. That's 9 out of 12 teams. You people make mathematics and simple logic look like rocket science.
 
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tzznandrew said:
???

Did you just post a non sequitor to deflect attention from the fact that your point is wrong?

Classify them however you like.

Florida, Miami, and Penn State were relatively late to winning titles. Regardless, Penn State was not in a major media market, so I don't think that proves your point.
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I am not going to even bother to debate. Just wait till we get a new contract first before you be so quick to think the ACC is better off financially. TV revenue is far more money than gate revenue now, too. Penn State has two titles in the 80s. Wow.
 
Butchy said:
You people think the ACC is going to have a bigger contract with 4 schools in North Carolina and 2 schools in Virginia? Really? Pittsburgh, Syracuse are declining cities, as well. Just wait and see. Buffalo used to be one of the top ten cities in the US. Now it's higher than 50. We have 6 schools situated in HUGE metropolitan areas in the tri-state area, Dallas, Houston, Orlando and Tampa Bay. Then we have another 3 programs that have a national appeal in Boise State, Navy and Air Force. That's 9 out of 12 teams. You people make mathematics and simple logic look like rocket science.
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I'm glad we won today too. It feels good. Drink a big glass of water, sleep it off, and come back to post when you're sober.
 
Butchy said:
You people think the ACC is going to have a bigger contract with 4 schools in North Carolina and 2 schools in Virginia? Really? Pittsburgh, Syracuse are declining cities, as well. Just wait and see. Buffalo used to be one of the top ten cities in the US. Now it's higher than 50. We have 6 schoolsw situated in HUGE metropolitan areas in the tri-state area, Dallas, Houston, Orlando and Tampa Bay. Then we have another 3 programs that have a national appeal in Boise State, Navy and Air Force. That's 9 out of 12 teams. You people make mathematics and simple logic look like rocket science.
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I think that the problem is you're inventing your own logic. Many top academic schools, which attract many candidates, aren't in major metropolitan areas. Those schools have large, national alumni bases that support the school financially and via watching it on TV. Also, the older the school is, frequently, the more money it has, and more alumni.

USF (1956) and UCF (1963) are relatively young schools. They have a large student population, but I would wager that student support for the school is akin to CCSU or SCSU--i.e. very small relative to the student population. Also, Hartford and New Haven residents generally pull for the flagship university.

History suggests that the local population of where the school is located has little to do with national support nor athletic success. Those are the facts. The math is, historically, irrelevant.

But, just to humor you. North Carolina has the 10th highest population. Virginia the 12th. By comparison: Massachusetts the 14th, Kentucky the 26th, Connecticut the 29th, West Virginia the 37th, Idaho the 39th.
 
Butchy said:
Penn State has two titles in the 80s. Wow.
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Look, while I'm 99% sure you are wrong about who will get more money per school, I hope you are right. Even, though, if we are making slightly more money per school, I'd advocate leaving to the ACC. More rivals, more stability, better basketball, universities more academically in line with UConn.

As to the above statement, if you don't think that Penn State is one of the premier college football schools in the country, with a huge fan base, than you are delusional.
 
Butchy said:
I am not going to even bother to debate. Just wait till we get a new contract first before you be so quick to think the ACC is better off financially. TV revenue is far more money than gate revenue now, too. Penn State has two titles in the 80s. Wow.
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Stop thinking smalltime. Let's expand into China. Some of the fastest growing cities are in China. Billions of people. Think about that market. Imagine the TV revenue. We could call the conference "the Big Far East". I like.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/10/07/cities-china-chicago-opinions-columnists-joel-kotkin.html
 
How many of you are UConn alumni? Just a question out of curiosity.
 
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WingU-Conn said:
I'm glad we won today too. It feels good. Drink a big glass of water, sleep it off, and come back to post when you're sober.
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I am sober. Thank you for your concern.
 
WingU-Conn said:
How many of you are piss drunk right now?
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So piss drunk people who have nothing to do with a school academically like to hop on an athletic bandwagon a school creates? I rest my case. Thank you.
 
You all seem drunk. The school is an academic institution. It only plays BSC football as a form or advertising. It costs so much to field a team and travel, that football is barely profitable.

So if is effective ad we get is, come to UConn, we're like Boise St., Memphis and whatever other cruddy school you can think of, it defeats the whole purpose. We're like UVA, that's a message we want to send.

If the Ivy league invited UConn tomorrow, but we had to go back down, we accept and drop BCS football instantly. That should tell you what this is really about.
 
C'monnnn Susan, you know you want to move us to the ACC, especially right now.
 
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Butchy said:
How many of you are UConn alumni? Just a question out of curiosity.
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I am, and I make annual donations to my alma mater. If I ever heard that Herbst turned down an invitation to either the ACC or the B!G to stay in this suggested new BE I would lead the "Occupy Herbst" campaign. Fortunately, I am confident Herbst would say yes immediately, if that call ever comes.

In the interim, I like adding these teams if it allows us to fight another day, and position ourselves for the next round of expansion. It's not ideal, but as long as it keeps us relevant. And don't get it twisted, if a Boise, SMU, and/or Houston do join the BE, it would be about them positioning themselves for a potential B12 or P12 invite in 3-5 years, and I'm fine with that too.
 
Butchy said:
So piss drunk people who have nothing to do with a school academically like to hop on an athletic bandwagon a school creates? I rest my case. Thank you.
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Another non-sequitur that doesn't prove anything but your inability to make a coherent argument.
 
I graduated from UConn. You can tell, because, unlike your arguments, I am using intelligence.
 
A major national conference located in URBAN areas would have more appeal to recruits than solely major regional conferences. Please continue.
 
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Butchy said:
A major national conference located in URBAN areas would have more appeal to recruits than solely major regional conferences. Please continue.
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Then Uconn is screwed because Storrs isn't exactly urban. Neither is Madison, Happy Valley, College Station, Tuscaloosa, Gainesville, South Bend, Norman, Lincoln, Knoxville....

Boston College is thriving because of that urban location, they have no problem competing with the professional sports (that happen to be located in most urban areas).

Right.
 
WingU-Conn said:
Then Uconn is screwed because Storrs isn't exactly urban. Neither is Madison, Happy Valley, College Station, Tuscaloosa, Gainesville, South Bend, Norman, Lincoln, Knoxville....

Boston College is thriving because of that urban location, they have no problem competing with the professional sports (that happen to be located in most urban areas).

Right.
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Florida and Texas are football hotbeds. I'm sorry if you didn't know that.
 
Butchy said:
Winning. Money helps schools create teams that win...

Ever hear of the University of Oregon?
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Why haven't UConn men's and women's basketball games and season tickets been selling out?

So all Houston and SMU have to do is win. It doesn't matter what UT-Austin, Baylor, A&M, TCU, & Oklahoma do?
 
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