Boise, Air Force, Houston, SMU, Navy and UCF

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I think the football onlies will take it. This is such a clever plan.

 

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All schools have solid fanbases. BSU, AFA, Navy would bring in national fanbases for football. Have to wonder if Notre Dame would play Boise State, though.

 

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Mark my words...if it looks like this reconfigured Big East is going to happen, then at the very last minute you will see the Big 12 invite Louisville and WVU, and the ACC invite UConn. They have invested to much in this attack on the Big East to have the Big East survive and actually strengthen again. ESPN and the ACC need to make sure the Big East dies this time, and Nienas needs to make sure his 'consultant expertise' works for the other conference merger.

I don't think any school would leave this Big East for the ACC. We can put a big dent in the SEC, too. We also make Big Ten schools look vulnerable.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

I don't think any school would leave this Big East for the ACC. We can put a big dent in the SEC, too. We also make Big Ten schools look vulnerable.

You're very optimistic! I'm happy with it too, not quite as bullish as you but if we can get people feeling good about it that is great. The doom and gloom is a drain.

 

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You're very optimistic! I'm happy with it too, not quite as bullish as you but if we can get people feeling good about it that is great. The doom and gloom is a drain.

Times and traditions do change. Demographically, urbanization is the trend.

 

[UConn Hoops1]

That picture with your post...is there anyway we can hurl some digital darts or paint balls or....sledgehammers or....machetes....or drone based warheads at it? Just wonderin'. Boise State,Air Force,Navy,Central Florida,SMU? Pardon me while I go to the head and hurl violently! I can't believe this is where we are. I don't give a damn about the football configurations. My sole interest is the hoops. And these new possibilities, for the most part are a VERY significant downgrade! HOWEVER, after watching Susan Herbst backing up her involvement in the realignment fiasco to date by laying down some serious moves on the dance (gym) floor with Jeremy, I figure we will land on our feet no matter what. The woman has got it all down pat!!!

 

[arnie3]

Browsing the Houston, Dallas, and Boise newspapers, it seems like they are very favorable about a move to the BE for the local schools.

That's exactly what I'm reading. I haven't read one person who wants Boise State to be in the new alliance. They said its all about better exposure and more money.

 

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That's exactly what I'm reading. I haven't read one person who wants Boise State to be in the new alliance. They said its all about better exposure and more money.

Calhoun proved that to be true.

 

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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...bianchi-circus-1015-20111014,0,1739512.column

With UCF, Boise State, Big East would be better than with Pitt and Syracuse

Big East, with Boise State and USF, is UCF's best option

 

[junglehusky]

That picture with your post...is there anyway we can hurl some digital darts or paint balls or....sledgehammers or....machetes....or drone based warheads at it? Just wonderin'. Boise State,Air Force,Navy,Central Florida,SMU? Pardon me while I go to the head and hurl violently! I can't believe this is where we are. I don't give a damn about the football configurations. My sole interest is the hoops. And these new possibilities, for the most part are a VERY significant downgrade! HOWEVER, after watching Susan Herbst backing up her involvement in the realignment fiasco to date by laying down some serious moves on the dance (gym) floor with Jeremy, I figure we will land on our feet no matter what. The woman has got it all down pat!!!

If you have the adblock plugin, you can selectively block individual sig pics...

as far as Herbst's dance moves... is it on youtube?

 

[Section205]

I don't think any school would leave this Big East for the ACC. We can put a big dent in the SEC, too. We also make Big Ten schools look vulnerable.

BULL****....Anyone of the current BE 6 schools would bolt to the PAC 12 if they came a calling let alone the other conferences!!!

We can put a big dent in the SEC???- Really?

 

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BULL****....Anyone of the current BE 6 schools would bolt to the PAC 12 if they came a calling let alone the other conferences!!!

We can put a big dent in the SEC???- Really?

Considering the demographics of the conference and the fact we are in CITIES and not surrounded by FARMS, yup.

 

[gars44]

Mark my words...if it looks like this reconfigured Big East is going to happen, then at the very last minute you will see the Big 12 invite Louisville and WVU, and the ACC invite UConn. They have invested to much in this attack on the Big East to have the Big East survive and actually strengthen again. ESPN and the ACC need to make sure the Big East dies this time, and Nienas needs to make sure his 'consultant expertise' works for the other conference merger.

I'm afraid of that too. I hope this conference works. I'd like to add Temple and UNLV to get to 14. Las Vegas trip too good to pass up.

 

[IMind]

If a reconfigured 'Big East' was going to work.. In my opinion this is the best/realistic set of schools possible... Houston is pretty much a no brainer... big market, hoops history, some football pedigree... Boise State is a necessary evil. SMU is another huge market.. UCF has made the investment to go big time in all sports. Air Force and Navy are good national draws.. ECU and Temple are realistic backups.

 

[Section205]

Considering the demographics of the conference and the fact we are in CITIES and not surrounded by FARMS, yup.

Whaaaat??? That makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[huskydave]

If a reconfigured 'Big East' was going to work.. In my opinion this is the best/realistic set of schools possible... Houston is pretty much a no brainer... big market, hoops history, some football pedigree... Boise State is a necessary evil. SMU is another huge market.. UCF has made the investment to go big time in all sports. Air Force and Navy are good national draws.. ECU and Temple are realistic backups.

You make a lot of good points. If/when the BE moves forward with further invites, I would prefer ECU over Temple because of the Pirates established and enthusiastic fan base. If we are going to grow, and forced to pick between the two, I would like to add the team that will fill their stadium every week.

 

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Whaaaat??? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Not surprised. If you paid attention to history, you'd know winning and markets are what make programs successful. Being in large urban areas would help us outrecruit Mississippi schools, too. Geez. Try putting an NFL team in Mississippi.

 

[tzznandrew]

Considering the demographics of the conference and the fact we are in CITIES and not surrounded by FARMS, yup.

I like the enthusiasm, but I think you are grossly overestimating this impact. Nebraska has a huge following, but is in the middle of nowhere. Penn State is similarly isolated, but yet outdraws nearly everyone in NYC.

Demographics can help, but they are not the be-all, end-all you are making them. If Swofford calls up Herbst tomorrow and offers her entrance into the ACC, and she doesn't accept before he finishes the sentence, she needs to be fired.

 

[tzznandrew]

Not surprised. If you paid attention to history, you'd know winning and markets are what make programs successful. Being in large urban areas would help us outrecruit Mississippi schools, too. Geez. Try putting an NFL team in Mississippi.

The NFL is different from college. Alabama has all sorts of things against it, from a past (and present) littered with difficult race relations to no major cities of worth, and yet Alabama and Auburn each have titles in the last 5 years. And UConn/Houston/UCF will never out-recruit them.

 

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If the money is going towards the cities, they will. Once upon a time, Ivy League schools ruled college football.

 

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I like the enthusiasm, but I think you are grossly overestimating this impact. Nebraska has a huge following, but is in the middle of nowhere. Penn State is similarly isolated, but yet outdraws nearly everyone in NYC.

Demographics can help, but they are not the be-all, end-all you are making them. If Swofford calls up Herbst tomorrow and offers her entrance into the ACC, and she doesn't accept before he finishes the sentence, she needs to be fired.

I wouldn't be surprised if she said no after invites are accepted. As noted by someone else previously, the new Big East would make more per school than the ACC in the media.

 

[zls44]

I wouldn't be surprised if she said no after invites are accepted. As noted by someone else previously, the new Big East would make more per school than the ACC in the media.

I will bet you $1,000,000,000 that (a) she says yes and (b) the Big East makes 50% of what the ACC makes.

 

[tzznandrew]

If the money is going towards the cities, they will. Once upon a time, Ivy League schools ruled college football.

When the Ivy League ran things, a couple of things are important. Almost no one went to college. There weren't many of them, and most people had no interest.

For instance, UConn was founded in 1881. By that point, Yale had racked up, by some counts, 6 national championships. Actual football powers, like Oklahoma (1890), Texas (1883), or USC (1880) were already well behind them. Let alone actually fielding a football team.

On top of that, recruiting. Once that became common, the Ivies, who refused to do so, fell behind.

Once recruiting became prevalent, you pretty much see the same names with titles:

Michigan, ND, Ohio State, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Miami, USC, Alabama, LSU, FSU, Penn State, Texas, etc.

 

[tzznandrew]

I wouldn't be surprised if she said no after invites are accepted. As noted by someone else previously, the new Big East would make more per school than the ACC in the media.

Aside from the fact that I'm pretty sure we will make less money (by a couple of million) than the New ACC (no BE has the national following of FSU, Clemson, VT), the ACC is more in line what we would like. Boise has a better football program than us (right now). But as an institution, there is almost nothing else in common. They're a fine addition (don't get me wrong) that could help save the BCS. But she would be utterly moronic to not jump at the ACC.

 

[husky10]

When the Ivy League ran things, a couple of things are important. Almost no one went to college. There weren't many of them, and most people had no interest.

For instance, UConn was founded in 1881. By that point, Yale had racked up, by some counts, 6 national championships. Actual football powers, like Oklahoma (1890), Texas (1883), or USC (1880) were already well behind them. Let alone actually fielding a football team.

On top of that, recruiting. Once that became common, the Ivies, who refused to do so, fell behind.

His point was that things change I can think back to a time when Notre Dame was competing for national title and BC wasn't completely irrelevant.

 

[Section205]

Not surprised. If you paid attention to history, you'd know winning and markets are what make programs successful. Being in large urban areas would help us outrecruit Mississippi schools, too. Geez. Try putting an NFL team in Mississippi.

Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. Well then, I never realized how big the TV markets are in Tuscaloosa, Auburn, and Baton Rouge to make your case in point, right?

Markets are not what make programs successful.

I really hope you're joking Butchy.

 

[tzznandrew]

His point was that things change I can think back to a time when Notre Dame was competing for national title and BC wasn't completely irrelevant.

And my point was that there were certain societal changes, as well as rule changes, that shifted the football world away from the Ivies. Since then, it's pretty much been the same schools, with a few upstarts (Miami and Penn State in the 70s-80s).

As for ND, while they haven't competed for a national title, per se, they have been relevant frequently in the last 10 years. They went to the Fiesta Bowl in 2005, came into the next season ranked pre-season #2 (and finished 10-2) and went to the Sugar Bowl in 2006. They may be in a BCS game this year.

As for BC, they had Matt Ryan and were ranked #2 but a couple of years ago.

Things aren't going to change enough where UCF is a better football program than Alabama or UF, or where Boise State is a more desirable conference mate than UNC.

 

[BlueMAB]

Is Butchy being serious or just trying to be funny?

 

[tzznandrew]

Is Butchy being serious or just trying to be funny?

I think he's really excited. He has some reason--this isn't the armageddon that we thought it could be--but I think he's talked himself into this a little too much.

 

[junglehusky]

If we get the call we go. Period.