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Bill Murray’s Son, Luke, Is a College Basketball Coaching Candidate North Carolina State

I disagree.

I get the program has been inconsistent, but NC State would be an incredible first landing spot for any first-time head coach.
ehhhhh....
state plays third fiddle to duke and UNC....and their fans believe they should be a lot better than they can reasonably expect to be....as their past 5 coaches have shown.

No big name is going to go out of their way to be the one to bring state back to glory, and they are certainly not bringing in money like the other schools in the area.

It's a tough place to be in.
 
ehhhhh....
state plays third fiddle to duke and UNC....and their fans believe they should be a lot better than they can reasonably expect to be....as their past 5 coaches have shown.

No big name is going to go out of their way to be the one to bring state back to glory, and they are certainly not bringing in money like the other schools in the area.

It's a tough place to
Luke hasn’t head coached before - what is the goal, a blue blood? For what he’d be a credible candidate for, there is more to like than not.
 
if Dan Hurley and BobbyH coached together UConn would never get a call
 
I don't know, ask Tom Moore, Dave Leitao and literally the thousands of other coaches who couldn't do it. Just goes to show how hard it is and how lucky we are to have Dan Hurley.
Well, I guess my point is you have a brother who can do it, a father who can do it, you were an AA. What’s missing?
 
Well, I guess my point is you have a brother who can do it, a father who can do it, you were an AA. What’s missing?
Same reason why LaMelo and Lonzo are signing huge NBA contracts and LiAngelo is starting a mediocre rap career. Not everyone in the same family has the same talents
 
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Unless Luke takes the Chris Dailey path and understands that sometimes being a great asst in a program is more valuable and/or preferred than being the #1.
He not in it bc he needs the money so this could work.
 
Same reason why LaMelo and Lonzo are signing huge NBA contracts and LiAngelo is starting a mediocre rap career. Not everyone in the same family has the same talents
Why are you always so rational?
 
I’d like Luke to go win elsewhere before becoming our head coach. Kimani seems ready right now, but he has a little baggage that’s held him back. Frankly, I’d be happy as hell if I were either of them. They have great jobs in an awesome environment. I wouldn’t be in any rush to leave.
 
Yikes. Selfishly hope Lukes not their first choice although he should be.
 
He was gonna get fired last year if they didn’t make the crazy run. Saved himself a year, has been bad outside of last year.
It was their first final four in 40 years. Seems like that should have bought him more time than 1 year.
Regarding this job I think it all comes down to how much NIL they have to spend and if the next coach thinks they are able to jump in and successfully leverage that money. The expectation will probably be to spend money and achieve quick results.
On the flip side at a mid major you have no NIL and you would be judged on recruiting and building up players. You should have more time to prove yourself.
If he starts you at a mid major and has success he can then jump to power conference and bring his top players with him.

If either of these assistants leave I think there is a good chance some players may follow. I wouldn’t blame or judge anyone for that.
 
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A big if but if we lose one or both of Luke or Kimani I wonder if Bobby Hurley joins the staff if he’s out at ASU. A lot of ifs, I know
Kinda hope not, because Dan Hurley seems to be a good space emotionally, now that he’s out of his father's and brother's shadows. I wouldn’t want to risk messing with that.
 
The more I look at Dan Hurley the more I really do wonder if he’s going ever suited for the NBA. Look at this year for instance and all the hoopla he’s generated. NBA coaches generally hide in the woodwork, and he is center stage. I don’t sense he’ll ever opt out for another college gig. I tend to find him long at UConn, personally, but will be interesting to see if an NBA gig makes sense for him. If so would have to be Philly/NY, or maybe SA.
No, barring a major mellowing process in the next couple years (which seems unlikely), I think most people would agree that he’s 100% not suited for the NBA. I think the larger question is always going to be whether he “knows” himself well enough to understand that, as brilliant as he is as a coach, he’s just not temperamentally suited for the constant coaching and media challenges of an 82+ game season, year after year.
 
Agree. Assuming both VCU and George Mason have openings due to their HCs taking P4 jobs, either would be great places for Luke to land.
You’d rather he get VCU or George Mason than NC State? Seriously? NC State may not have the brand of Carolina or Duke but they are certainly a major program. 30 NCAA appearances, 4 Final Fours, 2 National Championships. A program that is more successful in its history than every Big East team except UConn and Villanova. Plays in a P4 conference. Why do you hate Luke Murray?
 
You’d rather he get VCU or George Mason than NC State? Seriously? NC State may not have the brand of Carolina or Duke but they are certainly a major program. 30 NCAA appearances, 4 Final Fours, 2 National Championships. A program that is more successful in its history than every Big East team except UConn and Villanova. Plays in a P4 conference. Why do you hate Luke Murray?
If his goal is to coach one of the top programs in the future, consistently winning at NC St. is going to be hard in the ACC. The last NC St. men's basketball coach to not be fired was Norm Sloan who left in 1980 due to a salary dispute with the AD. There have been 5 head coaches since Jim Valvano was forced out in 1990 and none of them had a career winning record in the ACC and Valvano was 71-69.
 
If his goal is to coach one of the top programs in the future, consistently winning at NC St. is going to be hard in the ACC. The last NC St. men's basketball coach to not be fired was Norm Sloan who left in 1980 due to a salary dispute with the AD. There have been 5 head coaches since Jim Valvano was forced out in 1990 and none of them had a career winning record in the ACC and Valvano was 71-69.
How many programs outside the blue bloods haven’t had 5 or more coaches in the last 35 years? With Luke, NC State has the potential to become the third best program in the ACC behind UNC/Duke. A job outside the P4 is not appealing anymore with NIL and revenue sharing about to start. Getting NC state as your first HC gig is a home run for anybody.
 
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How many programs outside the blue bloods haven’t had 5 or more coaches in the last 35 years? With Luke, NC State has the potential to become the third best program in the ACC behind UNC/Duke. A job outside the P4 is not appealing anymore with NIL and revenue sharing about to start. Getting NC state as your first HC gig is a home run for anybody.
The last 5 coaches over the past 35 years have had losing records in the ACC and they were all fired. At best, 3rd best program in their own state and the job is not better than Louisville or Syracuse. What has changed to make the job easier?
 
In the college basketball world, Bill Murray introduces himself as Luke Murray's father.
 
The last 5 coaches over the past 35 years have had losing records in the ACC and they were all fired. At best, 3rd best program in their own state and the job is not better than Louisville or Syracuse. What has changed to make the job easier?
Maybe Luke is/will be a better coach than them?? And so what, they’ve always been the third best program in the state but that didn’t stop them from winning 2 chips
 
You’d rather he get VCU or George Mason than NC State? Seriously? NC State may not have the brand of Carolina or Duke but they are certainly a major program. 30 NCAA appearances, 4 Final Fours, 2 National Championships. A program that is more successful in its history than every Big East team except UConn and Villanova. Plays in a P4 conference. Why do you hate Luke Murray?
The vcu coaches are all successful since shaka. Nc state is a tough place to win. If he fails at nc state might not get another shot as head coach
 
How many programs outside the blue bloods haven’t had 5 or more coaches in the last 35 years? With Luke, NC State has the potential to become the third best program in the ACC behind UNC/Duke. A job outside the P4 is not appealing anymore with NIL and revenue sharing about to start. Getting NC state as your first HC gig is a home run for anybody.
It’s not about which programs had a lot of coaches, it’s about which programs has a lot of coaches who got fired. Coaches leave mid majors because they got a promotion. If you take the NC State job you have to crush it from day 1 or you are going to get canned. You have to be able to immediately get in there and sign up a good team from the portal. Usually you also need some players you were already recruiting to your current program to follow you to the job to be successful.
 
Unfortunately, this is the natural evolution for a top coach (talking about Durley). I suspect he’ll have an amazing coaching tree when all is said and done.

I’m not so sure I see Kimani or Luke leaving for a mid major job. They’ve had to have gotten offers already at the low power 4 + ACC level (much less any mid major), but just holding out for the right job. NC State is a good situation for Luke, I mean he can win 20 games in that bad league easy with even scrubs on the court in that offense. And probably get ranked doing so with how overrated the league is. I hope he doesn’t pursue, but would be happy for him if he did get the job.

He honestly should be a top candidate for the Indiana job, but thank goodness they’re obviously gonna get one of Stevens/Jay Wright/Billy Donovan/John Wooden instead.
 
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It’s not about which programs had a lot of coaches, it’s about which programs has a lot of coaches who got fired. Coaches leave mid majors because they got a promotion. If you take the NC State job you have to crush it from day 1 or you are going to get canned. You have to be able to immediately get in there and sign up a good team from the portal. Usually you also need some players you were already recruiting to your current program to follow you to the job to be successful.
No aspiring coach with balls is choosing to go to a mid major over NC St
 
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No aspiring coach with balls is choosing to go to a mid major over NC St
A coach that wants to win would also go to VCU.

VCU has been to 7 of the last 10 tournaments (including this year, assuming they get in), spanning 4 different coaches. 3 of the 4 made the dance and then eventually jumped to better jobs than NC State. NC State only 4 appearances in the same timeframe.
 
A coach that wants to win would also go to VCU.

VCU has been to 7 of the last 10 tournaments (including this year, assuming they get in), spanning 4 different coaches. 3 of the 4 made the dance and then eventually jumped to better jobs than NC State. NC State only 4 appearances in the same timeframe.
No aspiring coach with balls is choosing to go to a mid major over NC St

I disagree with bendm, and the thing you're missing is taking a mid-major and doing well can lead to a GREAT job. If Murray doesn't think NC ST is a GREAT job, but thinks he can crush it at a stepping stone like A-10 or a step lower, then he's in line for a monster job in 3-5 years.

So it's not as clear cut as "NC State is a bigger job than VCU."
 
A coach that wants to win would also go to VCU.

VCU has been to 7 of the last 10 tournaments (including this year, assuming they get in), spanning 4 different coaches. 3 of the 4 made the dance and then eventually jumped to better jobs than NC State. NC State only 4 appearances in the same timeframe.
That was before revenue sharing. Midmajors are toast. I’m worried the BE is toast.
 
I disagree with bendm, and the thing you're missing is taking a mid-major and doing well can lead to a GREAT job. If Murray doesn't think NC ST is a GREAT job, but thinks he can crush it at a stepping stone like A-10 or a step lower, then he's in line for a monster job in 3-5 years.

So it's not as clear cut as "NC State is a bigger job than VCU."
I think he can turn it back into a great job. It’s not BC they have multiple chips in the trophy caseZ
 
That was before revenue sharing. Midmajors are toast. I’m worried the BE is toast.
The pressure to invest revenue sharing in football will be intense at the P4 and especially the P2 schools. VCU has come out and said they will pay their teams $5 million in revenue sharing with most going to men's basketball as they don't have football. That should be competitive with the P4.
 
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