Bilas on Uconn left out of expansion

[NEforceUConn]

And Jim Calhoun retired in 2012. That's 11 years ago. That was plenty of time to see the error of their ways....

For now I'm happy in the Big East and as a football independent. The only conference that I'd want to go to would be the B1G. I think over time we could be respectable in football like Rutgers and would still be tops in both Men's and Women's Basketball.

Please never use Rutgers football and respectable in the same sentence.

 

[CL82]

That said - I think Hurley loves the Big East brand. And I'm pretty sure the millions earned from this last title run would stay with the Big East.

I think total Big East credits for the tournament were 30 million and it’s paid out over five or six years. The number that we I think total Big East credits for the tournament were 30 million and it’s paid out over five or six years. The number that we are leaving would be leaving behind in total is about 1.2 million, or 250,000 a year, give or take.

 

[The Yakk]

I think total Big East credits for the tournament were 30 million and it’s paid out over five or six years. The number that we I think total Big East credits for the tournament were 30 million and it’s paid out over five or six years. The number that we are leaving would be leaving behind in total is about 1.2 million, or 250,000 a year, give or take.

I don't follow your math.

$30m divided among 11 teams is $2.7m, or $500k per year.

 

[CL82]

I don't follow your math.

$30m divided among 11 teams is $2.7m, or $500k per year.

You weren’t following it because I messed it up trying to do it quick and dirty in my head.

$30M/11/6=$458,333.33

 

[LoyalFanCT]

I’ll go along with most of what you’ve written. However, North Carolina will follow Duke and UVA to the big 10.

If the ACC starts to rebuild and reconfigure, kicking off with UConn and maybe Tulane added soon as new members, I think the predicted shakeup of the conference may not take place at least for a dozen years. The ACC basketball powerhouses need UConn's energy and excellence to fuel excitement into the program. Football can be competitive and fun to watch without being king of the conference. I myself wouldn't mind seeing Clemson, FSU and Louisville departing for another conference.

 

[wingsfan055]

So, what's UConn current strategy with its football program? Does it remain "Independent"? How much money is it losing by not being associated with a Conference? I guess my bottom line question is - Can UConn keep going with BB in the Big East and football as an Independent or will something have to change (e.g., close the football program, join a bigger conference, etc.).

 

[Spaceman213J]

Yes to some extent. But if Kansas, Duke and Kentucky are old money what is UCLA ?

I believe he included them with the 'old money' teams since they haven't won a championship since the Huskies won their first.

 

[Palatine]

Well, DiFilippo was there and says, otherwise, but I’m sure you’re right.
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You seem to envision the situation as everyone else in the conference, Wantin, Connecticut, and BCU standing up and saying no. What’s been reported is that BCU was a part of the selection committee and they indicated a preference for Pittsburgh over Connecticut based upon the fact that they “wanted to be the New England team.” The other ACC schools didn’t have a strong, feeling one way, or the other, because ESPN was throwing cash at them, regardless, of which Big East school was chosen. Picture being in a conference room and someone is about to order lunch. When they suggest roast beef, if someone says hey, wait a minute I really hate roast beef can we just do turkey everyone would shrug and say fine. I think that was more than dynamic.

He also said he was following ESPN's instructions. It's nonsense. It's bluster. DiFilippo weilded zero power.

 

[Stinger92860]

For now I'm happy in the Big East and as a football independent. The only conference that I'd want to go to would be the B1G. I think over time we could be respectable in football like Rutgers and would still be tops in both Men's and Women's Basketball.

For now, yes. However, in my future landscape, what’s a plausible landing spot for us? We are never being invited to the SEC and we don‘t deliver the value needed for the B1G. So what can be considered reasonable options for us?

I prefer the B12, which imo is the future P#3. You take it now if offered. The PAC is P#5 and you can argue that the ACC is now P#4. If the ACC is raided they will likely be relegated to the P#5 slot, though who knows. After the initial raid, the B12 can take whichever ACC schools not absorbed by the SEC/B1G. Then the leftovers can beg the NBE to take them. I hope I am still here to see this play out and I hope the NBE survives. We can schedule as many NBE schools as possible, and maybe there will be a B12/NBE Challenge.

So I think it comes down to P#3/B12 or P#5 for us. This is an easy choice for me. When the break from the NCAA happens, I want us to be in one of the top 3 leagues.

 

[Husky25]

Yes to some extent. But if Kansas, Duke and Kentucky are old money what is UCLA ?

They were "Old Money," but lost it all in the stock market crash. They are included and allowed to hang around for legacy purposes, but are not considered a threat to the old guard.

UCLA is the Pete Campbell of the Mad Men version of the Dykeman family. Final 4s notwithstanding, they have one championship in 48 years.

 

[upstater]

He also said he was following ESPN's instructions. It's nonsense. It's bluster. DiFilippo weilded zero power.

BC's block had an impact.

It's like the EU. Each country has veto power. Other countries always want to change that for the good of the conference, but everyone is afraid to for fear that someone will encroach on their own school.

They can disregard BC all they want, but when BC stands up and says, "This hurts my school, absolutely no!" it has an impact. Because then the precedent is set that all the school's can encroach on one school's interests.

 

[Kolumbo]

The only constant is change and no matter what metrics or markets they're using, nothing trumps winning. 5 rings baby. Below is my post #211 in the UCONN pursing acc membership thread from March 1. It's a top tier academic conference if we kick louisville to the curb. We'll even let a couple football schools hang around if they can't find a home. Even from a football standpoint it would own the east coast and have no problem filling bowl games.

"I'm tired of this sheet so I am making the decisions. ACC members will all make like Fleetwood Mac and go their own way and dissolve the conference. A very solid football conference and it's not like anyone else is winning a championship anyway. And hoops, forgetaboutit!

The result: 20 member $$ conference with 10 basketball and 10 all in. maybe add in Army and Navy for football only. who's with me.

1	PC	UCONN
2	SJU	Cuse
3	SHU	BCU
4	Nova	Pitt
5	Georgetown	VaTech
6	DePaul	NC State
7	Marquette	Duke
8	Butler	Wake
9	Xavier	GaTech
10	Creighton	Louisville

 

[Ldandy]

You saw the title it's not like you're obligated to read the thread.

Its also a thread about conference realignment posted on The Conference Realignment Board so...

 

[John]

The only constant is change and no matter what metrics or markets they're using, nothing trumps winning. 5 rings baby. Below is my post #211 in the UCONN pursing acc membership thread from March 1. It's a top tier academic conference if we kick louisville to the curb. We'll even let a couple football schools hang around if they can't find a home. Even from a football standpoint it would own the east coast and have no problem filling bowl games.

"I'm tired of this sheet so I am making the decisions. ACC members will all make like Fleetwood Mac and go their own way and dissolve the conference. A very solid football conference and it's not like anyone else is winning a championship anyway. And hoops, forgetaboutit!

The result: 20 member $$ conference with 10 basketball and 10 all in. maybe add in Army and Navy for football only. who's with me.

1	PC	UCONN
2	SJU	Cuse
3	SHU	BCU
4	Nova	Pitt
5	Georgetown	VaTech
6	DePaul	NC State
7	Marquette	Duke
8	Butler	Wake
9	Xavier	GaTech
10	Creighton	Louisville

I'd love that football schedule.

 

[Sick Puppy]

"It's about the bucks kid. The rest is conversation."

 

[Ldandy]

Every time someone talks about money for facilities I think about whenever you see a tour of one of those new SEC locker rooms or whatever, where they have clearly run out of things to spend money on. It's like each player has their own space pod or whatever.
I get that it's an issue but at some point there are diminishing returns.

We've reached that point already. The majority of schools in the P5/P2 have nicer facilities than NFL Teams. Kids are becoming desensitized to that arms race of the 2010's. Alabama has X in their locker room, Texas has Y. How does a fancy locker room benefit me other than to stroke my ego? The biggest questions that elite recruits are currently asking coaches are do you develop guys at my position for The NFL and what kind of bag is available for me through your NIL Programs? If you don't have a good answer for both of these questions, you will be dead in the water. Basketball is the original pay for play sport with handlers, AAU Teams and any number of entities with their hands out. I can't even imagine what will go on at places like UNC or Kentucky.

 

[UConntLose]

Don't be THAT guy

What guy? Not hard to spell it correctly. Give the brand the respect it deserves.

 

[Ha Who]

We've reached that point already. The majority of schools in the P5/P2 have nicer facilities than NFL Teams. Kids are becoming desensitized to that arms race of the 2010's. Alabama has X in their locker room, Texas has Y. How does a fancy locker room benefit me other than to stroke my ego? The biggest questions that elite recruits are currently asking coaches are do you develop guys at my position for The NFL and what kind of bag is available for me through your NIL Programs? If you don't have a good answer for both of these questions, you will be dead in the water. Basketball is the original pay for play sport with handlers, AAU Teams and any number of entities with their hands out. I can't even imagine what will go on at places like UNC or Kentucky.

Another question would be how does the SEC prepare me for life after football? There was an article on this many years ago and I can’t find the link, but it was quite depressing even for those that made the NFL.

 

[HuskyinWRNY]

Yes to some extent. But if Kansas, Duke and Kentucky are old money what is UCLA ?

Prehistoric

 

[housekeys]

The college football realignments, that started a generation ago, created "the haves and have nots". At the time, there seems to have been more haves than have nots, and UConn was clearly sitting at the front of the "have nots" table. More and more, the definition of the "have nots" will change. Obviously, it is all about having and not having money. But on the competitive landscape, basically, unless you are a peer of Alabama in football, you are one of the "have nots", IMO. Today, as the P12 and B12 (potentially the ACC) are torn apart, I get the feeling there will be more "have nots" than ever before. It's all about money, of course, but there is always strength in numbers. The have nots are growing. Maybe the competitive interest "pendulum" will swing back and some of the money will follow?

 

[giddyup]

The ACC has a Grant of Rights until 2036. No one is leaving until 3 yrs before at best. Adding, who knows? The talk around conference realignment around them, the Big 10 and SEC is premature by years!

They will be losing money hand over fist compared to the B1G, SEC and Big12. Clemson and FSU can’t get out the ACC to the SEC fast enough. North Carolina and Virginia want into the B1G like Maryland. Pitt, VTech and Lville will vie for the B12. Duke, NC State, GTech, Wake and Miami are going to be in an island in a world of hurt. And the Syracuse, BC outposts are going to be holding their wankers.

 

[LoyalFanCT]

They will be losing money hand over fist compared to the B1G, SEC and Big12. Clemson and FSU can’t get out the ACC to the SEC fast enough. North Carolina and Virginia want into the B1G like Maryland. Pitt, VTech and Lville will vie for the B12. Duke, NC State, GTech, Wake and Miami are going to be in an island in a world of hurt. And the Syracuse, BC outposts are going to be holding their wankers.

i am not sure all that will happen, the remaining teams will form a renewed acc. they will be looking for teams to join them

 

[Urcea]

"I'm tired of this sheet so I am making the decisions. ACC members will all make like Fleetwood Mac and go their own way and dissolve the conference. A very solid football conference and it's not like anyone else is winning a championship anyway. And hoops, forgetaboutit!

This is a good point. Conferences don't usually take 2-3 big hits and then just disappear, and especially not a brand like the ACC. You don't even need a Big East merger to accomplish a surviving ACC - lose Clemson and UNC, add UConn and USF. Lose more? Add Temple and Memphis. The ACC has the advantage of having the AAC be relatively well positioned geographically to provide reasonable quality (not Temple) backfill, similar to the PAC-12/MWC situation

 

[Fishy]

Eh they took Oklahoma. They have so much money they don't even care.

Lol…ah, no.

It’s not their money.

ESPN would have to be convinced that the state of South Carolina is worth $120M+ a year…that’s not happening.

 

[CONN78SEJ]

The ACC and BE will have to merge. One side will have football, the other basketball.

Add UConn to the BC, Cuse, Pitt, VT, Virginia, Duke, NC St, Wake, GTech conference and they have balance.

Suspect NC is headed out with Clemson, Miami and FSU.

The ACC would not touch the Big East. A merger with the Big East would be a disaster for the remaining ACC schools and UConn. I think Notre Dame would nix anything involving the Big East.

 

[upstater]

The ACC would not touch the Big East. A merger with the Big East would be a disaster for the remaining ACC schools and UConn. I think Notre Dame would nix anything involving the Big East.

???

Notre Dame will not be affiliated with a rump ACC.

We're talking about the ACC getting picked apart. The remains would be schools like Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, NC State, VT... not sure why you believe these schools are somehow too good for the BE. They're not. Pitt, BC, Syracuse, Louisville obviously have already been in the BE

 

[CL82]

???

Notre Dame will not be affiliated with a rump ACC.

We're talking about the ACC getting picked apart. The remains would be schools like Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, NC State, VT... not sure why you believe these schools are somehow too good for the BE. They're not. Pitt, BC, Syracuse, Louisville obviously have already been in the BE

Because the big east makes just a little over $.10 on the dollar with the ACC does?

 

[CONN78SEJ]

???

Notre Dame will not be affiliated with a rump ACC.

We're talking about the ACC getting picked apart. The remains would be schools like Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, NC State, VT... not sure why you believe these schools are somehow too good for the BE. They're not. Pitt, BC, Syracuse, Louisville obviously have already been in the BE

Just like that? Notre Dame bolts the ACC in ALL sports???? Where would they go? You do realize that hundreds of division one ND male and female student athletes are from the area of the ACC’s present footprint. Do they really want to upend all of their D1 sports teams, just to join the B1G. What if Notre Dame says “hey wait a minute Clemson, UNC, FSU, Miami……let’s talk this over, football wise.

 

[upstater]

Just like that? Notre Dame bolts the ACC in ALL sports???? Where would they go? You do realize that hundreds of division one ND male and female student athletes are from the area of the ACC’s present footprint. Do they really want to upend all of their D1 sports teams, just to join the B1G. What if Notre Dame says “hey wait a minute Clemson, UNC, FSU, Miami……let’s talk this over, football wise.

A reconstituted ACC is not going to suit ND at all. Why would they talk to schools not in the ACC any more? I dont understand your question.

 

[upstater]

Because the big east makes just a little over $.10 on the dollar with the ACC does?

That's really irrelevant to what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the ACC getting picked apart.