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Bo Schembechler wasn’t a big ND fan either. Michigan did teach ND how to play football. The forward pass was honed by Knute Rockne and a couple of teammates while working at Cedar Point, Ohio. Obviously, this was before there were roller coasters there. It was beach resort and they practiced restlessly in their off time on the beach of Lake Erie. The Hotel Breakers has a nice plaque commemorating the event, at least they did before the latest renovations.

No matter how much ND wants to be an Eastern school, it’s roots will always be Midwestern.

I go to CoasterMania at Cedar Point every year and I always walk by that plaque on the Boardwalk. What a beautuful spot.
 
Yost, at Michigan, blackballed Notre Dame after the Irish came to Michigan and beat him in 1909. Michigan, back then, was THE football team.

Notre Dame’s first win against Michigan came in 1909, a win that caused the Detroit Free Press to write “Eleven Fighting Irishmen wrecked the Yost machine this afternoon. The sons of Erin, individually and collectively representing the University of Notre Dame, not only beat the Michigan team, but dashed some of Michigan’s greatest hopes and shattered Michigan’s fairest dreams.”

Yost cancelled the next year’s game and then refused to schedule Notre Dame for the rest of his career at Michigan. Which meant that Notre Dame didn’t play Michigan again until after Yost retired in 1941.

Some believe that schools blackballing the Irish led to their nationwide schedule. The 1920s and 30s was a time when anti Catholicism was rife.

In 1926, Notre Dame, applied to join the Big Ten. Michigan and Yost were opposed to adding the Irish.

In 1999, the B1G itself now explored the idea with Notre Dame and Father Malloy released the following:

Why, then, not take the ultimate step in partnership and become a member of the Big Ten? That answer, in the end result, transcends the many individual factors, academic and athletic, that weigh either for or against conference affiliation. Ultimately, the answer lies in the institutional identity of Notre Dame, its overarching definition. Just as the Universities of Michigan or Wisconsin or Illinois have core identities as the flagship institutions of their states, so Notre Dame has a core identity, and at that core are these characteristics—Catholic, private, independent.
 
And of course, having the President of Ohio State in 2012...say Notre Dame was never asked to join the conference because "those damned Catholics can't be trusted" harked back to older wounds.

Gee said he was joking...and then the recordings became public. He also took jabs specifically at Father Joyce.

In the wake of the recordings, Notre Dame spokesman Dennis Brown said, "We find the remarks most regrettable, particularly regarding Father Joyce, who served Notre Dame and collegiate athletics so well and for so long."

This kind of gaff still touches a collective nerve in South Bend.
 
I go to CoasterMania at Cedar Point every year and I always walk by that plaque on the Boardwalk. What a beautuful spot.

Went to Cedar Point last year for the first time in several years last summer and that whole Boardwalk area is awesome. Totally changes the atmosphere and vibe of Hotel Breakers. The fire pits and and permanent beach chairs/umbrellas really set the resort atmosphere. The old musty smell is gone and replaced by great new rooms.

Must be dreaming of summer in this wind chill spell (-40 to -50 degrees tonight).
 
Yikes...-50?

...and I think tonight's 19 in Western NC is toooo low?
 
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Yikes...-50?

...and I think tonight's 19 in Western NC is toooo low?

We are in a State of Emergency. Most all of the schools here are closed and UofM has closed for the next two days. This is the coldest weather I have seen since my time in the UP 25 years ago (-80 degree and chills).
 
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We are in a State of Emergency. Most all of the schools here are closed and UofM has closed for the next two days. This is the coldest weather I have seen since my time in the UP 25 years ago (-80 degree and chills).

Good luck. I have friends in and around Detroit and family in MSP, this isn't 'I'm from the upper Midwest and this is nothing' cold, its 'do not mess' with cold.

The coldest I have experienced was in the early '90's in upstate New York in the Adirondacks as it hit -29 F one night, not including windchill. The snowmobiles had a hard time starting and we smartly did not go for any rides because if (when at those temps) we broke down, it would get ugly fast.
 
Went to Cedar Point last year for the first time in several years last summer and that whole Boardwalk area is awesome. Totally changes the atmosphere and vibe of Hotel Breakers. The fire pits and and permanent beach chairs/umbrellas really set the resort atmosphere. The old musty smell is gone and replaced by great new rooms.

Must be dreaming of summer in this wind chill spell (-40 to -50 degrees tonight).

If you walk into the lobby sometimes you see these big burley guys walking around bringing luggage up to the rooms, more than likely they are football players from ND, OSU or Michigan working their summer job. Could not agree more about the boardwalk. Fantastic job. They used to have photos hanging up of Knute Rockne and others from early in the 20th century in the old Breakers. Don't know where they moved those.
 
If you walk into the lobby sometimes you see these big burley guys walking around bringing luggage up to the rooms, more than likely they are football players from ND, OSU or Michigan working their summer job. Could not agree more about the boardwalk. Fantastic job. They used to have photos hanging up of Knute Rockne and others from early in the 20th century in the old Breakers. Don't know where they moved those.

Yup, those were in the back end of the Main lobby. They might be in the new gift shop by the main entrance. There’s a bunch of historical pictures in there. I knew several people who worked there over the summer. They had a “good time.” A bunch of college kids in a dorm over the summer with nothing to do but work? Yeah, I can only imagine.
 
Good luck. I have friends in and around Detroit and family in MSP, this isn't 'I'm from the upper Midwest and this is nothing' cold, its 'do not mess' with cold.

The coldest I have experienced was in the early '90's in upstate New York in the Adirondacks as it hit -29 F one night, not including windchill. The snowmobiles had a hard time starting and we smartly did not go for any rides because if (when at those temps) we broke down, it would get ugly fast.

Thanks, the school I teach and coach at has already closed today and tomorrow. Due to weather, finals and MLK day, we have had school a grand total of a day and a half since last Monday. Snow and ice storms and now cold. Supposed to be 45 degrees and rainy on Sunday. We have a saying here in Michigan: if you don’t like the weather, wait 15 minutes, it will change.
 
Yost, at Michigan, blackballed Notre Dame after the Irish came to Michigan and beat him in 1909. Michigan, back then, was THE football team.

Notre Dame’s first win against Michigan came in 1909, a win that caused the Detroit Free Press to write “Eleven Fighting Irishmen wrecked the Yost machine this afternoon. The sons of Erin, individually and collectively representing the University of Notre Dame, not only beat the Michigan team, but dashed some of Michigan’s greatest hopes and shattered Michigan’s fairest dreams.”

Yost cancelled the next year’s game and then refused to schedule Notre Dame for the rest of his career at Michigan. Which meant that Notre Dame didn’t play Michigan again until after Yost retired in 1941.

Some believe that schools blackballing the Irish led to their nationwide schedule. The 1920s and 30s was a time when anti Catholicism was rife.

In 1926, Notre Dame, applied to join the Big Ten. Michigan and Yost were opposed to adding the Irish.

In 1999, the B1G itself now explored the idea with Notre Dame and Father Malloy released the following:

Why, then, not take the ultimate step in partnership and become a member of the Big Ten? That answer, in the end result, transcends the many individual factors, academic and athletic, that weigh either for or against conference affiliation. Ultimately, the answer lies in the institutional identity of Notre Dame, its overarching definition. Just as the Universities of Michigan or Wisconsin or Illinois have core identities as the flagship institutions of their states, so Notre Dame has a core identity, and at that core are these characteristics—Catholic, private, independent.
Michigan became THE school by being ahead of everyone else in the Midwest and playing Ivies and Little Ivies to give their program credibility.

1883 Michigan Wolverines football team - Wikipedia

Wesleyan still has the game ball from the 1883 game on display by their hockey rink and basketball courts.
 
Yup, those were in the back end of the Main lobby. They might be in the new gift shop by the main entrance. There’s a bunch of historical pictures in there. I knew several people who worked there over the summer. They had a “good time.” A bunch of college kids in a dorm over the summer with nothing to do but work? Yeah, I can only imagine.

I will be there the first week of June for CoasterMania. Got my tickets and renewed my Platinum Pass. The gift shop at the front on the right I think is called the Park Plaza used to have an isle devoted to Ohio State and Michigan merchandise especially football merchandise but I haven't been in there in about 3 years so I don't know of any changes. I think that's the shop you are referring.

Also just behind the Lakeside Pavillion where we have our picnic lunch are the corporate conference rooms and in the lobby used to be a lot of oldtime photos. And lastly in the Breakers, the corridors leading up to T.G.I. Fridays also had many oldtime photos. Man that place is historic.

Next year 2020 will be the 150th anniversary of Cedar Point, and I understand that season will be monstrous.
 
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Yeah Butch...But by the late 1920's, Grantland Rice was already mourning the good ole days of Michigan.

And I remember across the years
Two banners that crowned the crest,
When Yale was king of the conquered East,
And Michigan ruled the West.

At night in my humble den I dream
Of the glories that used to be
Of Hannibal taking the Alpine Trail,
Of Drake on the open sea;

And then I wander the ancient ways
To dream a dream I love the best,
When Yale was king of the conquered East,
And Michigan ruled the West.--- Grantland Rice
 
Good luck. I have friends in and around Detroit and family in MSP, this isn't 'I'm from the upper Midwest and this is nothing' cold, its 'do not mess' with cold.

The coldest I have experienced was in the early '90's in upstate New York in the Adirondacks as it hit -29 F one night, not including windchill. The snowmobiles had a hard time starting and we smartly did not go for any rides because if (when at those temps) we broke down, it would get ugly fast.

Early in my career, I took many snowmobile rides alone on the frozen Little Missouri River in the North Dakota badlands. It was like an interstate highway. I'd go twelve or fifteen miles up the river and then turn around and head for home, sometimes near dusk, which comes early that far north. I owned an Elan, the cheapest machine Skidoo made in the early 1970s and not one known for its reliability. A fouled plug or a broken drive-belt could have killed me. There's no way a guy could walk that far in a snowmobile suit and boots and in those temperatures if a machine broke down. There was a lot of in-between and solitude in that part of the world. This was long before helmets and face shields became commonplace, and I always had a bit of frost-bite on my cheeks from the air currents that sneaked around the windscreen. Looking back, I was a damned fool, but all's well that ends well.
 
The Yale Bowl is mourning the good ole days, too.
I don't think so. Yale has billions and billions of dollars and they could care less. They are happy exactly where they are.
 
Early in my career, I took many snowmobile rides alone on the frozen Little Missouri River in the North Dakota badlands. It was like an interstate highway. I'd go twelve or fifteen miles up the river and then turn around and head for home, sometimes near dusk, which comes early that far north. I owned an Elan, the cheapest machine Skidoo made in the early 1970s and not one known for its reliability. A fouled plug or a broken drive-belt could have killed me. There's no way a guy could walk that far in a snowmobile suit and boots and in those temperatures if a machine broke down. There was a lot of in-between and solitude in that part of the world. This was long before helmets and face shields became commonplace, and I always had a bit of frost-bite on my cheeks from the air currents that sneaked around the windscreen. Looking back, I was a damned fool, but all's well that ends well.

The first sled I drove on was a '79 Rupp. It was light and reliable and lot of fun for a little kid. The first time I drove solo, I went up the back of Powder Ridge (before the BMS campus was built) and then my old man just pointed down one of the slopes and told me to wait for him at the bottom on the pond at the bottom. The grin on my face was probably equal to the look of shear terror on all of the skiers I blew past.
 
I don't think so. Yale has billions and billions of dollars and they could care less. They are happy exactly where they are.

Healthwise, I am glad the old UConn game at the Yale Bowl ended my Sophmore year. There is no way my liver would have survived going to that mess 4 years in a row.
 
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I don't think so. Yale has billions and billions of dollars and they could care less. They are happy exactly where they are.
Didn't say Yale is mourning. They own New Haven now, at least. The Yale Bowl is in West Haven.

The New Haven town green still has 5-10,000 people buried underneath.
 
Don't know what to say about the above tweeterati....interesting take, I guess.
 
Didn't say Yale is mourning. They own New Haven now, at least. The Yale Bowl is in West Haven.

The New Haven town green still has 5-10,000 people buried underneath.
I'm sorry Butch, but Yale Bowl is in New Haven, on the border of West Haven. I am from that area originally. Also, check Wikipedia, Yale Bowl.
 
Healthwise, I am glad the old UConn game at the Yale Bowl ended my Sophmore year. There is no way my liver would have survived going to that mess 4 years in a row.
Meh, if you survived South Campus Weekend, you could survive that.
 
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One of my friends is an AD at an ACC school. He has told me that it is likely that anytime over the next couple of years that UConn will have one more opportunity to upgrade conference affiliation; when the opportunity comes, we need to be ready to pounce. He said the next move to happen will be either the Big10 or Pac12 expanding - the question is do they go to 14 or 16 members. There is some thought that the Pac12 will make the move 1st because the Pac12 folks feel more at risk & no one knows what the Big12 (even those in the Big12) may do. Texas & Oklahoma are looked at as key players. ND is also a wild card with their football status. It is likely that the next move will set of a flurry of activity that finalizes things. Of course, he also said that it only takes one maverick move & everything goes to hell in a handbag.....
 
One of my friends is an AD at an ACC school. He has told me that it is likely that anytime over the next couple of years that UConn will have one more opportunity to upgrade conference affiliation; when the opportunity comes, we need to be ready to pounce. He said the next move to happen will be either the Big10 or Pac12 expanding - the question is do they go to 14 or 16 members. There is some thought that the Pac12 will make the move 1st because the Pac12 folks feel more at risk & no one knows what the Big12 (even those in the Big12) may do. Texas & Oklahoma are looked at as key players. ND is also a wild card with their football status. It is likely that the next move will set of a flurry of activity that finalizes things. Of course, he also said that it only takes one maverick move & everything goes to hell in a handbag.....
Your AD “friend” never heard of rule #1
 
Your AD friend should be well aware that Irish football is bound through 2036...

If football goes to a conference before then, it must be the ACC.
 
Yep....and ND is the least of our worries when it comes to confernce realignment. We are not really in the best position to “pounce” right now should the opportunity arise. We have a significnat financial issue not only within the Athletic Department but the University as a whole in addition to the whole state financiall status. Spending big bucks on upgrading athletic facilities while looking at possibly dropping some programs. Major issues with two of our three major programs The word going around campus today is that our top candidate for President turned us down; that’s why we now have a “sole” finalist. Tough decisions need to be made to get us through all of this & I believe those decisions will be made. We need to be progressing in getting our house in order so we’re ready when/if the opportunity arises. We picked a bad period of time to be going through the turmoil we are.
 
Healthwise, I am glad the old UConn game at the Yale Bowl ended my Sophmore year. There is no way my liver would have survived going to that mess 4 years in a row.

I had my first jello shot at one of our last games at the Yale Bowl. IIRC it was simply something like Everclear and gelatin. Once it hit the back of my tongue, my throat said, "NFW!" and ejected it two rows forward.
 
I had my first jello shot at one of our last games at the Yale Bowl. IIRC it was simply something like Everclear and gelatin. Once it hit the back of my tongue, my throat said, "NFW!" and ejected it two rows forward.

After the game, my crew got into a bar in Hartford, I remember walking into the bar and then waking-up on the floor of my dorm room the next morning. No idea how I got there.
 
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