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Safe to say that if the Big Ten parents feel this group(s) don't speak for everyone, then neither do they. If you are potential high draft pick i can see risking signing a waiver to play. If you're a 3rd string linebacker or OG, why? At the very least if these kids play there should be no waiver and any future medical costs associated with an infection should be covered for life.

Parents are banking on cash through their kids. They don’t care about their well being or the value of a college education. I’m holding back on my opinions, believe it or not. Sign a waiver if you feel that strongly about playing.
 
Safe to say that if the Big Ten parents feel this group(s) don't speak for everyone, then neither do they. If you are potential high draft pick i can see risking signing a waiver to play. If you're a 3rd string linebacker or OG, why? At the very least if these kids play there should be no waiver and any future medical costs associated with an infection should be covered for life.
A waiver would just cap/ prohibit wrongful death claims, negligence, emotion distress, and permanent disability claims, etc. The intent is not to deny regular healthcare for COVid treatment- that would of course continue to be covered. The purpose is to deny claims beyond regular medical care given it’s not practical for a school or anyone to be able to protect someone from a virus beyond ordinary and practical means. The waiver has the duel purpose of also serving as a blunt warning as well. As for long term medical care, I don’t know how schools are suppose to do that. Once a student is no longer a student their university health care ends. There is not enough money outside of the top 30 programs to provide long term health care to participants. Managing the claims would be impossible, and the long term liabilities easy to manage at first but over time crushing.

This is a volunteer activity. If the risk/reward no longer appeals it’s okay, the sport can shrink some it will still have plenty of players.
 
The title of the thread mentions parents revolt. So where are they going to go with their revolt? Are they going to create a team and go play anyone who will schedule their kids? And sell tickets to fans to fill the stadium they pay to rent so their kids can play? Are they going to bring assault rifles to shoot the virus? With North Carolina going on-line only today as well as Notre Dame hitting a wall how does the ACC play football? Football is not a priority right now at the college level and it should not be.
 
The situation in CT is not the situation in Georgia, Florida or Texas. While many of the southern states now have improving numbers, we are still dealing with big numbers. CT could pull off college football. Georgia cannot. From there the domino effect takes over.
Who are we playing to pull this off?? Ourselves??? Our state has been great with our numbers but we still have to play teams from those regions that you mention. So we'd be risking those great numbers just to go play Liberty, FIU, or whoever. So no, we were right to shut it down because we couldn't make it work.


I feel like I am having to do this a lot lately...You clearly didn’t comprehend my post. My point was that due to different circumstances in different locations, the virus will spread through football. So, UConn could safely play UMass for instance, but they couldn’t play a team from Georgia or Florida.

I am not advocating playing. At one point I was in favor of playing regional games. I reconsidered, in favor of preserving eligibility for our players.
 
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I feel like I am having to do this a lot lately...You clearly didn’t comprehend my post. My point was that due to different circumstances in different locations, the virus will spread through football. So, UConn could safely play UMass for instance, but they couldn’t play a team from Georgia or Florida.

I am not advocating playing. At one point I was in favor of playing regional games. I reconsidered, in favor of preserving eligibility for our players.
You are right that your post did not come across that way at all.
 
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A reminder that the average age of death is 78.

What UConn did won't hurt them but the Big 10 and others it could.
 
One need only look to Norte Dame to to see the possibilities out there. No easy answers
 
Safe to say that if the Big Ten parents feel this group(s) don't speak for everyone, then neither do they. If you are potential high draft pick i can see risking signing a waiver to play. If you're a 3rd string linebacker or OG, why? At the very least if these kids play there should be no waiver and any future medical costs associated with an infection should be covered for life.
There should be no football until a vaccine. People just need to suck it up. If I'm a high draft pick, there's no way I'd risk it - see Eduardo Rodriquez as your first exhibit.
 
I'm retired since last summer, however my expertise was in health care forensics, and I can tell you what is important and what is not. You make what happened at UNC sound like a disaster of huge proportions, this was not an F5 tornado, it was a flu bug going around. Some people got sick, most that came down with the flu at UNC had mild symptoms not unlike the common cold. My question to you is how many of these infected college kids at UNC, you seem to know about, actually died? One thing I know is Covid 19 is a garden party compared to the 1918 Spanish Flu which infected one third of the worlds population and killed upwards of 50 million to 75 million, and many, many, many of the deaths were young healthy individuals. Covid 19 is a much weaker virus that does have a propensity for the elderly and individuals who have a history of smoking or have pre-existing conditions like diabetes or hiv, or some other immune deficiency. I do however agree with you that a vaccine will save lives especially among those at risk of getting very sick, but I also will remind young people who are smokers to stop now and give your lungs a chance to heal.
Glad you retired
 
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Big Ten parents are revolting....

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"Yeah they are! (I always wanted to say that.)"
 

>>In making its decision, Stanley said the conference relied on a report prepared for the Big Ten that raised issues about the availability of rapid-response testing, the number of positive cases among athletes throughout the conference and the potential after-effects for those who contract COVID-19.

Stanley, a medical doctor with a background in infectious diseases, said little has been published on the latter topic but said the information available creates cause for concern.

“There’s not a lot published on that, but there were preliminary things that have been talked about that may be of concern,” Stanley said. “In the absence of clear, scientific published data, I think those things we were concerned about, but they weren’t the only thing we were concerned about, but we really weighed every factor we could and came to the conclusion that it made more sense to not try and proceed forward at this time.”<<

>>Stanley said that while school presidents considered input from a variety of stakeholders, they ultimately reserved the decision for themselves.“Ultimately that was always our decision to make,” Stanley said. “That’s a fundamental tenet of the Big Ten.”<<
 
you lost me at flu
If the idea is to stop all infections because it’s imperative to protect lives, and you can’t put people together on a football field, then you can’t put 5,000 on campus. Even further, you don’t hold basketball practice with 10 on a court. It is wholly infuriating how “experts” and leaders largely make up their own rules and assessments. There is not a shred of evidence to suggest healthy 18-25 year olds are at heightened risk of anything serious.
Well you are just wrong about 18-25 year olds not being at risk and further they are One of the groups least likely to abide By social distancing and mask rules. And they can pass it on to others.
 
Yeah, and how many of those 1200+ were college students? Old people get sick and die, it's a fact of life. Cancer, heart issues, organ failure, Alzheimer's, the flu, strokes, pneumonia, and many other age contributing factors. Covid 19 is a garden party compared to what happened in 1918. I'd be interested in knowing how many of those 1200+ in Stamford and Greenwich Hospitals were smokers or former smokers.

Actor Corey Glover said it best in the film "Platoon".
Several things about the comparison with the 1918 flu are sort of like comparing apples and oranges. Most significantly, medicine has advanced dramatically in the past 100 years. And a contributing factor then was that the Goverment downplayed its impact to protect the war effort. And while it is a fact that people get old and die, at the height of the outbreak in Connecticut twice as many folks died than was typical in the same time period. So it isn’t like there wasn’t an impact. In California the death rate for 18-30 is about 1.4% per cal dept of health. Per the CDC, nationally deaths are between 19-23% higher Per week since Covid than would be expected in normal conditions. It is now the 3rd leading cause of death and it has only been around for 6 months.
 
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There should be no football until a vaccine. People just need to suck it up. If I'm a high draft pick, there's no way I'd risk it - see Eduardo Rodriquez as your first exhibit.
How about other sports?
 


tl;dr version: >>We thoroughly understand and deeply value what sports mean to our student-athletes, their families, our coaches and our fans. The vote by the Big Ten Council of Presidents and Chancellors (COP/C) was overwhelmingly in support of postponing fall sports and will not be revisited.<<
 
Well you are just wrong about 18-25 year olds not being at risk and further they are One of the groups least likely to abide By social distancing and mask rules. And they can pass it on to others.
Good Lord, just go read the available statistics on mortality and hospitalizations by age groups. All there at the CDC.
 
Nah, this blowback isn’t about transparency. It’s about mommies and daddies and fannies who live vicariously through these kids. They would have complained no matter what
 
Up here in MA fall high school sports are being played with the exception of football and cheerleading. But soccer, girls volleyball, field hockey, etc will be played. Football will be part of a floating season where it could be played in February running into April. Will be interesting to see what happens if/when one kid gets corona in one of the fall sports. Does everything shut down? Does one kid just stop playing for a month?
 
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Several things about the comparison with the 1918 flu are sort of like comparing apples and oranges. Most significantly, medicine has advanced dramatically in the past 100 years. And a contributing factor then was that the Goverment downplayed its impact to protect the war effort. And while it is a fact that people get old and die, at the height of the outbreak in Connecticut twice as many folks died than was typical in the same time period. So it isn’t like there wasn’t an impact. In California the death rate for 18-30 is about 1.4% per cal dept of health. Per the CDC, nationally deaths are between 19-23% higher Per week since Covid than would be expected in normal conditions. It is now the 3rd leading cause of death and it has only been around for 6 months.
Well actually you are talking apples and oranges when you say that medicine has advanced dramatically in the 100 years since 1918, which of course is true but only in certain areas. You try to apply that to your argument on 1918 vs 2020 with respect to antiviral therapy. Antiviral drugs are in their infancy, all they can do now is reduce a viruses ability to multiply in it's host, they absolutely cannot and do not destroy the target pathogen as antibiotic drugs do nowadays. Drugs to kill bacterial diseases like the plague, diptheria, cholera, typhoid fever, tuberculosis, syphilis, anthrax, scarlet fever, bacterial pneumonia, and strep infections are in every drug store. These diseases once killed millions every year, now they are distant memories. Antibiotic therapy has advanced tremendously in 100 years while destroying a virus in it's host by taking a pill is still a dream. I mean a cure for the common cold is still unattainable because killing a virus like it's a bacterial infection isn't possible even after 100 years. The 1918 Spanish Flu was a terrible disease that didn't just kill the elderly and the infirm, it killed young and healthy people just as quickly. The total death toll was 50 to 75 million, and it infected one third of the earths population. One thing you never touched on is that people who smoke are much more likely to get deathly ill from this virus.
 
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Up here in MA fall high school sports are being played with the exception of football and cheerleading. But soccer, girls volleyball, field hockey, etc will be played. Football will be part of a floating season where it could be played in February running into April. Will be interesting to see what happens if/when one kid gets corona in one of the fall sports. Does everything shut down? Does one kid just stop playing for a month?
I live in Mass, and many sports have been playing this summer like baseball and golf without problems. There have been some COVID scares, but I thought they were handled well. For example, 2 kids on a team were exposed to COVID and they were not allowed to play for their team, were tested, and quarantined for 14 days even though they tested negative. Then they rejoined the team.

I think the understanding about what to do about COVID, the ability to get tested, and the acceptance of quarantines have greatly improved, although not perfect. Personally, I think handling high school sports is much easier than college sports as the problem with college sports is that kids live together in close quarters and are going to socialize.
 
I live in Mass, and many sports have been playing this summer like baseball and golf without problems. There have been some COVID scares, but I thought they were handled well. For example, 2 kids on a team were exposed to COVID and they were not allowed to play for their team, were tested, and quarantined for 14 days even though they tested negative. Then they rejoined the team.

I think the understanding about what to do about COVID, the ability to get tested, and the acceptance of quarantines have greatly improved, although not perfect. Personally, I think handling high school sports is much easier than college sports as the problem with college sports is that kids live together in close quarters and are going to socialize.
I’m shocked how much little league baseball has been going on and so far so good... glad it’s happening.

Since HS doesn’t involve interstate travel, millions in planning overhead, eligibility concerns, school status management (does it matter if Westport cancels three games in a fall season? No) it does seem like there is some merit to trying to have fall HS sports in CT. Try with the understanding the plug could be pulled.
 
Nah, this blowback isn’t about transparency. It’s about mommies and daddies and fannies who live vicariously through these kids. They would have complained no matter what
So said a UConn college sports fan. No wonder they hate us.
 
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