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The situation in CT is not the situation in Georgia, Florida or Texas. While many of the southern states now have improving numbers, we are still dealing with big numbers. CT could pull off college football. Georgia cannot. From there the domino effect takes over.
 
Two weeks ago we had "athletes of the PAC-12" making demands and I wondered how many of them that represented. I'm wondering the same thing here. How many parents make up "Parents of Michigan Football?" I note that they acknowledged accommodating players opting out so its highly unlikely all of them want to play. Is it 20%, 50% or 80%? That makes a big difference.
 
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Daughter's friend just went back to campus, attended one party and a few days later came down with COVID along with a big cluster from the party.

COVID + college kids + college campuses are like the virus's ideal environment.

(She was pretty sick for a couple of days but now is feeling better. Yeah she and the other kids all tested positive.)
 
Palatine said:
As we watch the progression of the virus, it seems painfully obvious there are no experts on Covid-19. There are people experienced with pandemics, there are people with degrees and titles but they are always getting things wrong. Guess that's why they call it a "novel coronavirus."
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Oh just stop. We don’t know everything about this. It has been around for 6 months. But we know much more now than 5 months ago. And we do know that:
A. It is highly contagious.
B. It can have significant consequences and those consequences can be unpredictable.
C. Large groups in close proximity to each other can and do spread the disease.
D. It infects all age groups.
E. At this moment neither a cure nor a vaccine exist. There are some promising developments, but none currently available for widespread use.

So stop pretending that this is a total mystery. Every day that goes by leads to a better understanding, but it may take decades before it is completely understood. HIV has been around for what, 30 years, and there are still open questions about it. So for a virus known for less than a year, developing an understanding of its various features takes time.
 
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CL82 said:
Daughter's friend just went back to campus, attended one party and a few days later came down with COVID along with a big cluster from the party.

COVID + college kids + college campuses are like the virus's ideal environment.

(She was pretty sick for a couple of days but now is feeling better. Yeah she and the other kids all tested positive.)
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Wondering how Boston is going to fare?
 
CL82 said:
Daughter's friend just went back to campus, attended one party and a few days later came down with COVID along with a big cluster from the party.

COVID + college kids + college campuses are like the virus's ideal environment.

(She was pretty sick for a couple of days but now is feeling better. Yeah she and the other kids all tested positive.)
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This is the real point. Worrying about 100 prime conditioned athletes while thousands in the same age category can mingle to keep the College doors open is the pinnacle of irrationality.
 
BlueDogs said:
This is the real point. Worrying about 100 prime conditioned athletes while thousands in the same age category can mingle to keep the College doors open is the pinnacle of irrationality.
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It’s not like the institutions won’t cancel or adjust in-person classes if they have to.

As much as saying so might be anathema as a fan and likely to get me told to bless my heart and that I’ll be prayed for in certain parts of this country...football is optional. Sports are optional. It’s extracurricular, it’s entertainment. Postponing or canceling should be a no brainer decision on that basis alone. Optional activity with low risk is still one with lower or no risk if it doesn’t happen.
 
This is the group of parents most likely to file suit if one of their sons gets sick. Very considerate of them to put their names on a nice list.
 
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huskyrob1 said:
Yeah, and how many of those 1200+ were college students? Old people get sick and die, it's a fact of life. Cancer, heart issues, organ failure, Alzheimer's, the flu, strokes, pneumonia, and many other age contributing factors. Covid 19 is a garden party compared to what happened in 1918. I'd be interested in knowing how many of those 1200+ in Stamford and Greenwich Hospitals were smokers or former smokers.

Actor Corey Glover said it best in the film "Platoon".
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sorry to go long here. And, Not picking on you Huskyrob here. But that view you have, and it is common, is the exact problem with the American response to this. It essentially is this: I am healthy so I shouldn’t have to change my ways or alter my life because my risk is low.

That is a very personal view of the current situation, but one that misses the big picture. Rationally, individually, your view may be right. But collectively, it is disastrous.

That thinking explained is pervasive among a lot of people too. Your chance of death is low, true, but your chance of infection is the issue we are trying to SLOW. Why? Because the math sucks when you start extrapolating out to large swaths of the population. A 1% death rate on a 100 million infections is disastrous. We have 160k on 5 million confirmed. Multiply that by 20.

the numbers, at scale, are unbearable. Your risk of dying is extremely low, but make no mistake, if 100 million infections happen we will see ~1 million deaths as a result.

Even drop death rate of entire population at to .5%. Apply that multiplier to any kind of volume and you get a big number.

Consider how quickly North Carolina Chapel Hill went from a handful of Covid cases to 13% positive test rate. If they stayed on campus without major mitigation, it would have tore through campus and infected, eventually, the entire region.

The virus is like whack a mole. One day, there are no infections. Great job. Then you go out and encounter someone outside your bubble. Eventually an infection happens. The test you took is now worthless because you intermingled.

The right path is to slow burn the infection and keep infection rates low and traceable to prevent clusters like what happened at unc.

We do this in parallell continue to develop therapy and test vaccines. We can’t do this forever, but you can’t rush the science.

Do we hide in our homes forever? No. But how about 4 more months until a vaccine hits the market? Or, is that too long and 1 million dead an acceptable cost to keep economy somewhat open?

that is the question we are facing.
 
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JohnFSilver said:
sorry to go long here. And, Not picking on you Huskyrob here. But that view you have, and it is common, is the exact problem with the American response to this. It essentially is this: I am healthy so I shouldn’t have to change my ways or alter my life because my risk is low.

That is a very personal view of the current situation, but one that misses the big picture. Rationally, individually, your view may be right. But collectively, it is disastrous.

That thinking explained is pervasive among a lot of people too. Your chance of death is low, true, but your chance of infection is the issue we are trying to SLOW. Why? Because the math sucks when you start extrapolating out to large swaths of the population. A 1% death rate on a 100 million infections is disastrous. We have 160k on 5 million confirmed. Multiply that by 20.

the numbers, at scale, are unbearable. Your risk of dying is extremely low, but make no mistake, if 100 million infections happen we will see ~1 million deaths as a result.

Even drop death rate of entire population at to .5%. Apply that multiplier to any kind of volume and you get a big number.

Consider how quickly North Carolina Chapel Hill went from a handful of Covid cases to 13% positive test rate. If they stayed on campus without major mitigation, it would have tore through campus and infected, eventually, the entire region.

The virus is like whack a mole. One day, there are no infections. Great job. Then you go out and encounter someone outside your bubble. Eventually an infection happens. The test you took is now worthless because you intermingled.

The right path is to slow burn the infection and keep infection rates low and traceable to prevent clusters like what happened at unc.

We do this in parallell continue to develop therapy and test vaccines. We can’t do this forever, but you can’t rush the science.

Do we hide in our homes forever? No. But how about 4 more months until a vaccine hits the market? Or, is that too long and 1 million dead an acceptable cost to keep economy somewhat open?

that is the question we are facing.
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I'm retired since last summer, however my expertise was in health care forensics, and I can tell you what is important and what is not. You make what happened at UNC sound like a disaster of huge proportions, this was not an F5 tornado, it was a flu bug going around. Some people got sick, most that came down with the flu at UNC had mild symptoms not unlike the common cold. My question to you is how many of these infected college kids at UNC, you seem to know about, actually died? One thing I know is Covid 19 is a garden party compared to the 1918 Spanish Flu which infected one third of the worlds population and killed upwards of 50 million to 75 million, and many, many, many of the deaths were young healthy individuals. Covid 19 is a much weaker virus that does have a propensity for the elderly and individuals who have a history of smoking or have pre-existing conditions like diabetes or hiv, or some other immune deficiency. I do however agree with you that a vaccine will save lives especially among those at risk of getting very sick, but I also will remind young people who are smokers to stop now and give your lungs a chance to heal.
 
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huskymedic said:
From another thread...
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Safe to say that if the Big Ten parents feel this group(s) don't speak for everyone, then neither do they. If you are potential high draft pick i can see risking signing a waiver to play. If you're a 3rd string linebacker or OG, why? At the very least if these kids play there should be no waiver and any future medical costs associated with an infection should be covered for life.
 
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It's gotta be driving the B1G nuts that the low budget AAC hasn't folded yet. Penn State fans are going to really enjoy watching Temple play this fall.
 
Jimdish255 said:
Meanwhile UNC Chapel Hill is shutting down the classrooms because of outbreaks. The clock is ticking not just on sports but in person classes.

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If the idea is to stop all infections because it’s imperative to protect lives, and you can’t put people together on a football field, then you can’t put 5,000 on campus. Even further, you don’t hold basketball practice with 10 on a court. It is wholly infuriating how “experts” and leaders largely make up their own rules and assessments. There is not a shred of evidence to suggest healthy 18-25 year olds are at heightened risk of anything serious.
 
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huskyrob1 said:
I'm retired since last summer, however my expertise was in health care forensics, and I can tell you what is important and what is not. You make what happened at UNC sound like a disaster of huge proportions, this was not an F5 tornado, it was a flu bug going around. Some people got sick, most that came down with the flu at UNC had mild symptoms not unlike the common cold. My question to you is how many of these infected college kids at UNC, you seem to know about, actually died? One thing I know is Covid 19 is a garden party compared to the 1918 Spanish Flu which infected one third of the worlds population and killed upwards of 50 million to 75 million, and many, many, many of the deaths were young healthy individuals. Covid 19 is a much weaker virus that does have a propensity for the elderly and individuals who have a history of smoking or have pre-existing conditions like diabetes or hiv, or some other immune deficiency. I do however agree with you that a vaccine will save lives especially among those at risk of getting very sick, but I also will remind young people who are smokers to stop now and give your lungs a chance to heal.
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you lost me at flu
 
Hoophound said:
The situation in CT is not the situation in Georgia, Florida or Texas. While many of the southern states now have improving numbers, we are still dealing with big numbers. CT could pull off college football. Georgia cannot. From there the domino effect takes over.
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Who are we playing to pull this off?? Ourselves??? Our state has been great with our numbers but we still have to play teams from those regions that you mention. So we'd be risking those great numbers just to go play Liberty, FIU, or whoever. So no, we were right to shut it down because we couldn't make it work.
 
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The MVC cancelled cross country also - and my son is pissed off. He wants to run - and is willing to accept the risks - so why not? He isn't even on scholarship - he has been training non-stop since winter. And yet - he still has to go to school and do clinical hours - which basically means being a trainer at local HS in the area that DIDN'T cancel sports. How insane is that? HS sports aren't cancelled but college sports are?

Football given the size/scope/number of people/contact/etc - I understand to some extent. But I stand by my earlier statements - let the kids opt in or out with no harm to eligibility or scholarships - and then see if you have enough players to play - and then play. The farce that you are keeping them safe by letting them run around free in the world is just that - a farce.

I'm not someone that thinks COVID is BS. But lock everyone down, or allow people to have a choice. These half measures are just CYA nonsense that won't save anyone.
 
UCSouth said:
Opening game of the HS season this Friday night. Stands will be full and the house will be rockin'. Gotta love Alabama.... I'll see the score on the school website Saturday morning. Y'all have fun....
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I haven't heard anything about HS football in CT, anyone hear anything? Some football helmet manufacturers are selling helmets with built in masks. I wonder if the AAC has purchased some?
 
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noeynox said:
Safe to say that if the Big Ten parents feel this group(s) don't speak for everyone ...
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Wonder how many or the % of all B1G parents actually agree with their protesting parental colleagues?
 
Da_Aisijimo_Gou said:
Wonder how many or the % of all B1G parents actually agree with their protesting parental colleagues?
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Like any protested matter, when you side with the protesters you think its a solid 80% and when you dont support the protest you think its something like to 2%. :p
 
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