Big East OOC thread '25/'26

[auror]

This is not a good use of numbers, yikes. The vast majority of top 30 teams will have good offenses. If teams only played good offenses their defenses numbers would be .

And he's comparing raw D ppp vs. adj defensive efficiency. Mississippi Valley St is the only team that gave up 1.23 ADJUSTED efficiency. A lot more teams gave up raw 1.23 ppp. And if teams only played top 30 teams, I imagine a large percent would give up 1.23 raw ppp.

Using Torvik, St. John's adjusted def efficiency against those teams is 1.05. About 200 teams had worse numbers than that last season against full schedules. (Edit this might only include 2 of the games, I think the regular Torvik stats are updated but not the sorting stats).

 

[gsmooth]

Just curious. Why should anyone here feel any pain about Texas continuing to underperform?
No P4 gets any sympathy. We should all pull for Chaminade!

I didn't say anything about feeling pain for Texas. I was simply stating how much their first round loss hurts when they have to play Chaminade next.

 

[AllHusky]

Sometimes rosters just fit and sometimes they don't. Look at Kansas the past couple of years. All those expectations and veterans and they never really looked good. No hype this year other than Peterson who has been out and this group looks like a much better group.

 

[RuffRuff]

Between UMich and Purdue the Big 10 could have two 1 seeds this year.

I’d say as of now both look on their way.

 

[uconngb]

Face it….,once again it’s up to UConn to carry this disaster of a conference

 

[RuffRuff]

Face it….,once again it’s up to UConn to carry this disaster of a conference

We’ve had a couple teams like Butler and SH over perform, but let’s be real, they aren’t making a mark on a national level. StJ showed they are a mess, will likely fall out of the top 25. Our other preseason top 25 team is flat out bad. It’s leading to zero star power in this league.

I know sizzle loves tracking this mediocrity. I don’t really care if Butler beats Virginia. I like to see our top teams beat theirs, and right now we look like the only team that qualifies as a top team.

As I said two years ago - trending much closer to a glorified Atlantic 10 than a P4. I know we’re stuck here and need to make the most of it.

 

[uconngb]

We’ve had a couple teams like Butler and SH over perform, but let’s be real, they aren’t making a mark on a national level. StJ showed they are a mess, will likely fall out of the top 25. Our other preseason top 25 team is flat out bad. It’s leading to zero star power in this league.

I know sizzle loves tracking this mediocrity. I don’t really care if Butler beats Virginia. I like to see our top teams beat theirs, and right now we look like the only team that qualifies as a top team.

As I said two years ago - trending much closer to a glorified Atlantic 10 than a P4. I know we’re stuck here and need to make the most of it.

Praying there is a plan to get us the hell out of this mess.....it's only going to get worse

 

[BFieldHusky]

We’ve had a couple teams like Butler and SH over perform, but let’s be real, they aren’t making a mark on a national level. StJ showed they are a mess, will likely fall out of the top 25. Our other preseason top 25 team is flat out bad. It’s leading to zero star power in this league.

I know sizzle loves tracking this mediocrity. I don’t really care if Butler beats Virginia. I like to see our top teams beat theirs, and right now we look like the only team that qualifies as a top team.

As I said two years ago - trending much closer to a glorified Atlantic 10 than a P4. I know we’re stuck here and need to make the most of it.

I hear your point, but Butler beating a team like Virginia, and Seton Hall beating NC State helps the conference, especially when the Big East and ACC are competiting for spots.

 

[RuffRuff]

I hear your point, but Butler beating a team like Virginia, and Seton Hall beating NC State helps the conference, especially when the Big East and ACC are competiting for spots.

To do what? Maybe help us squeeze a 4th bid, for a team that loses in the first round? Very little to be proud of with this conference anymore. It feels shot.

Maybe these mediocre wins help our metrics potential a bit, but this league has absolutely zero sizzle at this point. StJ looking absolutely pathetic is a drag. Sorry but I’m not getting pumped because Butler and the Hall don’t look as awful as expected, lol. It’s become a bonified second rate conference.

 

[auror]

BE had a really good week actually. Filtering starting on Sunday.

 

[BFieldHusky]

To do what? Maybe help us squeeze a 4th bid, for a team that loses in the first round? Very little to be proud of with this conference anymore. It feels shot.

Maybe these mediocre wins help our metrics potential a bit, but this league has absolutely zero sizzle at this point. StJ looking absolutely pathetic is a drag. Sorry but I’m not getting pumped because Butler and the Hall don’t look as awful as expected, lol. It’s become a bonified second rate conference.

Right now there are 7 BE teams in the top 75 of KenPom, with two teams just outside of it at 78 and 80. Beating a top 75 team on the road is a Q1 win.

I am not arguing that the BE has been a disappointment, and not just this season. I guess I just don't care who is good, as long as we have decent teams in the league. Having it be a 5 bid league vs a 3 helps with metrics, seeding. Ultimately we all want to be a 1 seed this year. The conference having better performances from GTown, Butler, Seton Hall and Villanova helps.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

Praying there is a plan to get us the hell out of this mess.....it's only going to get worse

I have nothing to base this on but I’ve always thought (hoped really) that Benedict has an emergency button ready to go to move basketball and Olympic sports to the ACC/XII while keeping football independent. Clearly that’s not the preference but in case of a doomsday scenario, maybe that happens.

 

[RuffRuff]

Right now there are 7 BE teams in the top 75 of KenPom, with two teams just outside of it at 78 and 80. Beating a top 75 team on the road is a Q1 win.

I am not arguing that the BE has been a disappointment, and not just this season. I guess I just don't care who is good, as long as we have decent teams in the league. Having it be a 5 bid league vs a 3 helps with metrics, seeding. Ultimately we all want to be a 1 seed this year. The conference having better performances from GTown, Butler, Seton Hall and Villanova helps.

You’re telling me we are above average in mediocrity. All those teams, even if they make it, won’t be better than an 8 seed. Sure I’d like our metrics to be as good as possible, but this league is for the birds. StJ was the one team to bring something to the league this year and they are 0-3 against KP top 30.

 

[RuffRuff]

I have nothing to base this on but I’ve always thought (hoped really) that Benedict has an emergency button ready to go to move basketball and Olympic sports to the ACC/XII while keeping football independent. Clearly that’s not the preference but in case of a doomsday scenario, maybe that happens.

Wouldn’t that be nice. I’d take that deal in a heartbeat vs sitting in this sinking ship of a conference. It’s one thing to be mismatched when the other programs are good, and we have regional ease and rivalries. It’s another when they are all going south.

After this week, UConn will be the only basketball program ranked in the top 25 in both men’s and women’s hoops.

 

[Tenspro2002]

The Michigan team has all the looks of a NC contender. They are big, and skilled. They are top tier based on what I'm seeing here. May is a great coach too.

Michigan is giving UConn 2023 vibes. Not sure about their roster composition, but a team thought to be a fringe contender coming out and stomping people to start the year...

 

[Tenspro2002]

So St John’s is just gonna commit 20 fouls a game and lose every OOC then come into the Big East, their fouls will be cut 25%, then they beat everyone

Great can’t wait

Better to prepare for it now. They've already probably cost the conference a bid and a few seed lines.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Right now there are 7 BE teams in the top 75 of KenPom, with two teams just outside of it at 78 and 80. Beating a top 75 team on the road is a Q1 win.

I am not arguing that the BE has been a disappointment, and not just this season. I guess I just don't care who is good, as long as we have decent teams in the league. Having it be a 5 bid league vs a 3 helps with metrics, seeding. Ultimately we all want to be a 1 seed this year. The conference having better performances from GTown, Butler, Seton Hall and Villanova helps.

The middle of the conference performing well helps, but when we're vying for a #1 seed, we need marquee wins. St. John's was supposed to be an opportunity (2 actually). Now they're just an opportunity for a disappointing loss on the resume, while being no less dangerous on the court.

It puts that much more pressure on the Illinois/Kansas/Florida games, and makes the Arizona loss (and over-caution with injuries) that much more damaging.

It's hard to overstate how much St. John's's OOC performance has hurt our outlook for seeding.

 

[Scrutineer]

I didn't say anything about feeling pain for Texas. I was simply stating how much their first round loss hurts when they have to play Chaminade next.

You, "Sucks for Texas because they get Chaminade, the Division 2 School that hosts the Maui Invitational. Texas has nothing to gain from victory but plenty to lose on the resume if they lose the game."

Me, "Just curious. Why should anyone here feel any pain about Texas continuing to underperform?
No P4 gets any sympathy. We should all pull for Chaminade!

Today, from me:
You seemed to be lamenting how Texas has nothing to gain from playing Chaminade (sounded as if you care about their plight) and I simply questioned why anyone on the Boneyard should care or feel any pain (remorse, or however you might offer sympathy) for a P4.

The more their teams fail the less our teams feel the pain of how our league is performing lately.

Sort of like the old saying, "the enemy of your enemy is your friend".........at least at some point in time like now.

 

[Tiamat7]

Sorry, but the ACC and Big 12 won't take UConn due to revenue dilution unless Benedict strikes an SMU type deal.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

Sorry, but the ACC and Big 12 won't take UConn due to revenue dilution unless Benedict strikes an SMU type deal.

If the hypothetical offer does not include UConn football I don’t think our revenue would dilute either conferences payout. They could essentially give us the same or slightly more than the Big East deal and both parties satisfied.

 

[buddy]

Also seems strangely detached. Where's the fire?

Where was the challenge on the ball that went off the Iowa St guy but called off St Johns? How do you not have someone assigned to watch the TV replays and call the bench to make a challenge?

Maybe he's done and checked out because he sure doesn't seem engaged.

I believe they had used up their challenge prior to that and didn't have one left. Ball was off ISU, no question

 

[MurrDog]

It's well-established - the Big East is no longer a top-tier basketball league. St. John's, Creighton, Marquette - huge disappointments and any UConn wins against them this year are de-valued.
Yet, I am a Big East fan, have been since the beginning, and that's not going to change. Our current reality being what it is, I'm going to find my rays of hope where I can and results that I can get excited about. I'm a fan of Shaheen Holloway. I very much enjoy watching Seton Hall and Butler out-perform expectations. Seeing Xavier, after a dreadful performance against Santa Clara, play Georgia tough and then beat West Virginia, was a pleasure.
I gravitate to the underdog and the Big East is certainly that.

 

[Tiamat7]

If the hypothetical offer does not include UConn football I don’t think our revenue would dilute either conferences payout. They could essentially give us the same or slightly more than the Big East deal and both parties satisfied.

I hope you're right. Leaving UConn football on an island wouldn't be financially sustainable (unless you're Notre Dame), however, so the the end game is still to convince the ACC to take football.

 

[BrysonDeMan]

We’ve had a couple teams like Butler and SH over perform, but let’s be real, they aren’t making a mark on a national level. StJ showed they are a mess, will likely fall out of the top 25. Our other preseason top 25 team is flat out bad. It’s leading to zero star power in this league.

I know sizzle loves tracking this mediocrity. I don’t really care if Butler beats Virginia. I like to see our top teams beat theirs, and right now we look like the only team that qualifies as a top team.

As I said two years ago - trending much closer to a glorified Atlantic 10 than a P4. I know we’re stuck here and need to make the most of it.

you couldn't pay me to root for Providence or St John's to win a game
i guess i am a bad fan ....

 

[HooperScooper]

We’ve had a couple teams like Butler and SH over perform, but let’s be real, they aren’t making a mark on a national level. StJ showed they are a mess, will likely fall out of the top 25. Our other preseason top 25 team is flat out bad. It’s leading to zero star power in this league.

Mr. "St. John's is #1" has St. John's hanging on by a thread at #25.

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