Big East OOC Thread 23/24

[FriarJ]

How much of his pretty goodness had to do with the buy in on his home town, local boy makes good, people of the people schtick? I may be totally wrong even thinking about it. But he's in the now, with more resources, so we'll see.

I have the following to offer regarding Cooley. He will never have the fan base he had at PC. Therefore he will never have the home court advantage he had at PC. That homecourt advantage is the reason we had decent seasons under him. You guys can figure out the rest from there.

 

[DFW HOYA]

They finished the soft part of their schedule with 1 win... Chicago St. at home, Georgetown at home... Who else do they have a chance to beat?

Georgetown has eight scholarship athletes, including a starting center from Fairfield. Ed Cooley was upfront in saying it's not a "rebuild" but a "build", because there wasn't anything left under Patrick Ewing to rebuild from. But with respect to the poster above, a motivated Georgetown fan base is far, far bigger than anything available at Providence College.

It's certainly worse at DePaul: two winning seasons in 18 years, one NIT, no national rankings since 2000, no NCAAs since 2004. Four coaching hires of dubious distinction (Jerry Wainwright, Oliver Purnell, Dave Leitao and Tony Stubblefield. Attendance of 1,000-2,000 a game at the largest school in the conference. Make an offer to a young coach and really start over.

 

[mauconnfan]

So uhhhhhh is Villanova actually good??

Memphis once again proved how awful Penny is as a coach I mean he was severely out coached by Neptune. Having said that if you allow Nova to do what they want to do you have a good chance to lose. UNC and Memphis both proved to have coaches lacking ability to adjust in any winning manner.

But Nova is talented no doubt. Of course you need to defend them better and get some calls which refs seem very reluctant to give to the Nova guys?!?!

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Georgetown has eight scholarship athletes, including a starting center from Fairfield. Ed Cooley was upfront in saying it's not a "rebuild" but a "build", because there wasn't anything left under Patrick Ewing to rebuild from. But with respect to the poster above, a motivated Georgetown fan base is far, far bigger than anything available at Providence College.

It's certainly worse at DePaul: two winning seasons in 18 years, one NIT, no national rankings since 2000, no NCAAs since 2004. Four coaching hires of dubious distinction (Jerry Wainwright, Oliver Purnell, Dave Leitao and Tony Stubblefield. Attendance of 1,000-2,000 a game at the largest school in the conference. Make an offer to a young coach and really start over.

Georgetown's fanbase (including the casuals, which there are lots of) will not present a home court advantage like Providence does. They're less rabid and within an NBA arena it is not nearly the intense environment the AMP is. Home court advantage Providence by far.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I have the following to offer regarding Cooley. He will never have the fan base he had at PC. Therefore he will never have the home court advantage he had at PC. That homecourt advantage is the reason we had decent seasons under him. You guys can figure out the rest from there.

I will never be interested in debating which school between Providence and Georgetown has a better fan base.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Memphis once again proved how awful Penny is as a coach I mean he was severely out coached by Neptune. Having said that if you allow Nova to do what they want to do you have a good chance to lose. UNC and Memphis both proved to have coaches lacking ability to adjust in any winning manner.

But Nova is talented no doubt. Of course you need to defend them better and get some calls which refs seem very reluctant to give to the Nova guys?!?!

Hardaway is a good coach.

 

[mauconnfan]

Hardaway is a good coach.

Sorry nope. Tons of talent he’s bought even prior to NIL and yet zero to show for it. His teams are out of control and consistently make mental errors game in game out.

 

[JohnnyJr]

Georgetown has eight scholarship athletes, including a starting center from Fairfield. Ed Cooley was upfront in saying it's not a "rebuild" but a "build", because there wasn't anything left under Patrick Ewing to rebuild from. But with respect to the poster above, a motivated Georgetown fan base is far, far bigger than anything available at Providence College.

It's certainly worse at DePaul: two winning seasons in 18 years, one NIT, no national rankings since 2000, no NCAAs since 2004. Four coaching hires of dubious distinction (Jerry Wainwright, Oliver Purnell, Dave Leitao and Tony Stubblefield. Attendance of 1,000-2,000 a game at the largest school in the conference. Make an offer to a young coach and really start over.

Idk anything about their past coaches but are they swinging and missing on up and coming mid majors or just being cheap and hiring whatever they can?

 

[Scoe]

Maybe DePaul and Vermont should just switch conferences. Vermont has been a solid program since 2003 when Tom Brennan was at the helm.

 

[lonsharkin51]

I remember when Leitao left DePaul after his first stint there, during which they went to the postseason three straight years (two NITs, one NCAA). He seemed to have a decent thing going but thought the UVA pasture would be greener (it wasn't, at least for him). I thought it was a dumb move for Leitao (it was), and for DePaul, Jerry Wainwright immediately sank the ship, going 12-15 in his first year at the helm. They've been worse than irrelevant ever since.

 

[Punkbo]

I have the following to offer regarding Cooley. He will never have the fan base he had at PC. Therefore he will never have the home court advantage he had at PC. That homecourt advantage is the reason we had decent seasons under him. You guys can figure out the rest from there.

The dislike for Ed Cooley on this board, while perhaps justified in certain areas, is not supportable when it comes to his coaching ability. At both Fairfield and PC, his teams were significantly better than prior tenures. In Fairfield’s case, you could make the argument that they’ll never be that good again. He’ll do a good job at Georgetown as well, but he’s starting from ground zero. Patrick Ewing was a disaster. Ed Cooley is an excellent coach. It’s not even debatable.

 

[navery12]

The dislike for Ed Cooley on this board, while perhaps justified in certain areas, is not supportable when it comes to his coaching ability. At both Fairfield and PC, his teams were significantly better than prior tenures. In Fairfield’s case, you could make the argument that they’ll never be that good again. He’ll do a good job at Georgetown as well, but he’s starting from ground zero. Patrick Ewing was a disaster. Ed Cooley is an excellent coach. It’s not even debatable.

I hope Ed sees this and gives you a hug. You might be the only fan he has left

 

[mauconnfan]

The dislike for Ed Cooley on this board, while perhaps justified in certain areas, is not supportable when it comes to his coaching ability. At both Fairfield and PC, his teams were significantly better than prior tenures. In Fairfield’s case, you could make the argument that they’ll never be that good again. He’ll do a good job at Georgetown as well, but he’s starting from ground zero. Patrick Ewing was a disaster. Ed Cooley is an excellent coach. It’s not even debatable.

You make fair points and I agree with most. But you can’t end with “excellent” he’s done little to prove he’s there. But he’s a very good coach for the most part long way to go for excellence though. The Hoyas will test his ability due to the horrible leave of Patrick.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I remember when Leitao left DePaul after his first stint there, during which they went to the postseason three straight years (two NITs, one NCAA). He seemed to have a decent thing going but thought the UVA pasture would be greener (it wasn't, at least for him). I thought it was a dumb move for Leitao (it was), and for DePaul, Jerry Wainwright immediately sank the ship, going 12-15 in his first year at the helm. They've been worse than irrelevant ever since.

Depaul has had some bad coaches (Wainwright and Kennedy), but Leitao and Purnell are solid coaches, and they couldn't make it work at Depaul. It is just a tough place to win.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Sorry nope. Tons of talent he’s bought even prior to NIL and yet zero to show for it. His teams are out of control and consistently make mental errors game in game out.

They certainly aren't out of control. I think his teams play a little too tight if anything, but he is a good coach. The team plays hard, aggressive on both ends, and disciplined on offense. I like him.

I don't know why he stays at Memphis, although maybe they have a good NIL situation.

 

[Jimdish255]

Maybe DePaul and Vermont should just switch conferences. Vermont has been a solid program since 2003 when Tom Brennan was at the helm.

This is an interesting proposition. State U with just under 12k undergrad in a very small State just under 650k but not losing population. Not sure what the negatives would be although you want to factor in potential media exposure which would be considered small but could get a boost from more exposure. Pretty good soccer team this year as well.

 

[ucp990411]

Maybe DePaul and Vermont should just switch conferences. Vermont has been a solid program since 2003 when Tom Brennan was at the helm.

As a UConn fan living 25 miles from Burlington I think it is a great idea. Good coach at UVM and a great program. There are plans to build a new facility which will seat only 3200. Can't figure that out. They have a pretty rabid fan base and UVM hoops are the talk of the area.

 

[superjohn]

Just when I think this place can't get any crazier than it already is, we have this thread. Yep, the Big East should invite Vermont. They should also invite UNH and Maine.

 

[Scoe]

Just when I think this place can't get any crazier than it already is, we have this thread. Yep, the Big East should invite Vermont. They should also invite UNH and Maine.

Why would we ever invite UNH and Maine in the big east, those programs suck.

 

[Scoe]

As a UConn fan living 25 miles from Burlington I think it is a great idea. Good coach at UVM and a great program. There are plans to build a new facility which will seat only 3200. Can't figure that out. They have a pretty rabid fan base and UVM hoops are the talk of the area.

That would be 1000 more in attendance then any DePaul game, was only thinking of how much better Vermont’s program is then DePaul.

 

[mauconnfan]

They certainly aren't out of control. I think his teams play a little too tight if anything, but he is a good coach. The team plays hard, aggressive on both ends, and disciplined on offense. I like him.

I don't know why he stays at Memphis, although maybe they have a good NIL situation.

They are constantly throwing up whatever shot is available without running anything most of the time. They play hard but they don’t guard for full possessions and to me the furthest thing from disciplined. But that’s just me never impressed by his teams unless they happen to shoot it well. In the AAC they’re just more talented than most.

 

[Waquoit]

I hope Ed sees this and gives you a hug. You might be the only fan he has left

You don't have to be a fan to admit he can coach. Look at Fairfield since he left.

 

[navery12]

You don't have to be a fan to admit he can coach. Look at Fairfield since he left.

He's incredibly overrated and is nowhere near good enough to have earned the salary he's getting. He's a fine coach for Fairfield's level though

 

[superjohn]

Why would we ever invite UNH and Maine in the big east, those programs suck.

Because we need to add all the New England schools. Vermont, UNH, Maine, UMass, and UMass Lowell would be a good start. I desperately want Qunnipiac, Stonehill, and Merrimack in the conference as well.

 

[HooperScooper]

He's incredibly overrated and is nowhere near good enough to have earned the salary he's getting.

I don't think there's any argument against that statement. Georgetown is nuts for paying him this kind of money.

 

[JustbrewitMan]

The dislike for Ed Cooley on this board, while perhaps justified in certain areas, is not supportable when it comes to his coaching ability. At both Fairfield and PC, his teams were significantly better than prior tenures. In Fairfield’s case, you could make the argument that they’ll never be that good again. He’ll do a good job at Georgetown as well, but he’s starting from ground zero. Patrick Ewing was a disaster. Ed Cooley is an excellent coach. It’s not even debatable.

What if Ed Cooley’s “great” record in close games was just due to him being a mediocre coach and all those close wins actually should have been 10+ point MOVs?

 

[ucp990411]

Just when I think this place can't get any crazier than it already is, we have this thread. Yep, the Big East should invite Vermont. They should also invite UNH and Maine.

My thought was tongue in cheek.

 

[FriarJ]

I will never be interested in debating which school between Providence and Georgetown has a better fan base.

Oh Waylon, you don’t debate anything ever.

 

[Tyler2Rings]

Because we need to add all the New England schools. Vermont, UNH, Maine, UMass, and UMass Lowell would be a good start. I desperately want Qunnipiac, Stonehill, and Merrimack in the conference as well.

No way that happens. Holy Cross would definitely get in before Stonehill

 

[runner11]

The dislike for Ed Cooley on this board, while perhaps justified in certain areas, is not supportable when it comes to his coaching ability. At both Fairfield and PC, his teams were significantly better than prior tenures. In Fairfield’s case, you could make the argument that they’ll never be that good again. He’ll do a good job at Georgetown as well, but he’s starting from ground zero. Patrick Ewing was a disaster. Ed Cooley is an excellent coach. It’s not even debatable.

If you can’t admit Cooley is at the least a great floor-raiser, you are either stupid or biased.