Big East OOC Thread 23/24

[HuskyHawk]

This game is bizarre. One team goes on a huge run, the other responds with a huge run and then they repeat the pattern.

BC won. St. John’s are a bunch of frauds.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

St. John’s takes a lot of low percentage shots and blew a 10 point second half lead as a result. They can probably say goodbye to a tournament bid with the loss to BCU. They are going to have a tough time getting enough wins to get a bid. They are 6-3. A win over Fordham gets them to 7-3. They probably need 19 or 20 wins to get a bid. Does anyone see St. Johns going 12-8 in the Big East?

 

[shizzle787]

St. John's loses.

Providence wins.

71-35 (24-22).

 

[shizzle787]

St. John’s takes a lot of low percentage shots and blew a 10 point second half lead as a result. They can probably say goodbye to a tournament bid with the loss to BCU. They are going to have a tough time getting enough wins to get a bid. They are 6-3. A win over Fordham gets them to 7-3. They probably need 19 or 20 wins to get a bid. Does anyone see St. Johns going 12-8 in the Big East?

They still play Hofstra OOC as well. They need 19 wins to get a bid. They need to go 11-9 in BE play.

 

[Fan1978]

St. John’s takes a lot of low percentage shots and blew a 10 point second half lead as a result. They can probably say goodbye to a tournament bid with the loss to BCU. They are going to have a tough time getting enough wins to get a bid. They are 6-3. A win over Fordham gets them to 7-3. They probably need 19 or 20 wins to get a bid. Does anyone see St. Johns going 12-8 in the Big East?

Yes, depaul and Georgetown start everyone 4-0. So can they finish 8-8 absolutely. Seton hall has no scoring and Xavier is a mash unit. I would not be surprised if Uconn and Marquette are 17-2 or 17-3 and creighton 16-4.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I am trying to watch SJU v BCU just to see SJU in action.

This is awful basketball

It can't possibly be worse than the St John's- WVU game that I saw most of the second half of prior to our game against Kansas.

It took 40 minutes to play the first twelve minutes of the second half. Ugliest basketball I've seen in years.

 

[superjohn]

BC won. St. John’s are a bunch of frauds.

I thought BC actually looked pretty good. Strange game.

 

[shizzle787]

We are 24-22 against the P5. We have 4 games left.

2-2 gets us over .500
1-3 gets us to .500

We really need to finish over .500

Games remaining:
Alabama @ Creighton (must win)
NW @ DePaul
Seton Hall vs. Missouri (KC)
Georgetown @ Notre Dame

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Yes, depaul and Georgetown start everyone 4-0. So can they finish 8-8 absolutely. Seton hall has no scoring and Xavier is a mash unit. I would not be surprised if Uconn and Marquette are 17-2 or 17-3 and creighton 16-4.

There might be 3 or 4 teams across all six major conferences that have less than 5 losses in conference.

 

[Fan1978]

There might be 3 or 4 teams across all six major conferences that have less than 5 losses in conference.

Purdue, arizona, UConn, Marquette, kansas, I believe will have less than 5 Duke and Carolina potentially because acc has so many horrible teams. We will see, but i believe those 5 are a cut above. I think UConn plays with more confidence this year and won’t lose those seton hall or st johns type games.

 

[Punkbo]

Providence or St. John's.

To me there are four tiers right now:

Tier 1:
UConn
Marquette
Creighton

Tier 2:
Providence
Villanova
St. John's
Butler

Tier 3:
Seton Hall
Xavier
Georgetown

Tier 4:
DePaul

Not sure if anyone responded to this, but my Tier 2 only includes Villanova and Providence. I don’t think that SJU and Butler are at that level yet. Villanova is more talented of the two Tier 2 teams, but Kyle Neptune is a nightmare while Kim English looks like he can coach. We’ll see how things develop, but that’s my early take.

 

[jibsey]

It’s very early to rule out and write off the hated Red Storm. Didn’t they beat us at home last year?
What happened to Pitino’s revamped roster and new culture?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Purdue, arizona, UConn, Marquette, kansas, I believe will have less than 5 Duke and Carolina potentially because acc has so many horrible teams. We will see, but i believe those 5 are a cut above. I think UConn plays with more confidence this year and won’t lose those seton hall or st johns type games.

I looked it up and last year there were only 4, but in prior years there are typically between 6 and 8 major conference teams with fewer than 5 losses. This year, I think it will be some combination of:

Big East: 2 of UConn, Marquette, Creighton - the bottom of the league sucks or is beat up, and the middle isn't that great, so the top teams should have really good records in league play.

Big 12: 1 of Baylor, Kansas, Houston - this league is just too good and too deep to have multiple 3 or 4 loss teams.

SEC: I don't think anyone does it. This is a conference of good, not great teams. They will beat each other up.

Pac 12: Arizona will definitely finish with less than 5 losses in Pac 12 play. No other candidates.

Big 10: Purdue already has a loss, but is a step above the rest of the league and should finish with 4 or fewer losses.

ACC: UNC has a 50/50 shot to do it because the ACC sucks.

 

[ToolzieFan]

I know we want St. John’s to be better for the sake of the conference, but it’s pretty funny to me that the Pitino era looks a lot like the Mike Anderson era in overall performance, even though the season is obviously far from over.

 

[superjohn]

I know we want St. John’s to be better for the sake of the conference, but it’s pretty funny to me that the Pitino era looks a lot like the Mike Anderson era in overall performance, even though the season is obviously far from over. View attachment 93935

The Pitino era is 9 games.

 

[Travelman6]

Friendly reminder that Kyle Neptune was .500 in 1 season at Fordham and then they won 25 games after he left.

He took a team that, before him, went 2-12 (covid year), and the three years before the covid year their records were 9-22, 12-20, and 9-22 and in his one year went 16-16 so a 7 game improvement. Fordham isn't an easy gig for any coach. They haven't made the tourney since 1992 and before that, it was some time in the 1970s. Before last year, the last winning record was 2015-16 at 17-14.

 

[ToolzieFan]

The Pitino era is 9 games.

I’m well aware that my comparison isn’t fair at all, and I wouldn’t bet against Pitino, but I still find it funny that St. John’s fans aren’t getting the immediate turnaround they probably expected.

 

[HuskyHawk]

It’s very early to rule out and write off the hated Red Storm. Didn’t they beat us at home last year?
What happened to Pitino’s revamped roster and new culture?

He brought in a bunch of guys as transfers, then recruited over them and generally treated them like crap. He grabbed every shiny new thing he could find whether of not they fit his culture or style of play. So yeah, they play like a bunch of guys who just met at the playground for the first time.

 

[Tyler2Rings]

I still believe Pitino will make SJU competitive with everyone in the league, maybe even by the end of this year. But I definitely expected them to produce more by this point. When he was hired we all thought they could be a contender Year 1.

 

[NJHusky]

I still believe Pitino will make SJU competitive with everyone in the league, maybe even by the end of this year. But I definitely expected them to produce more by this point. When he was hired we all thought they could be a contender Year 1.

Maybe Vitamin Water needs to give him a bigger bag?

 

[Tyler2Rings]

Maybe Vitamin Water needs to give him a bigger bag?

I suppose it was telling when the Iona G Clayton chose Florida over SJ

 

[BGesus4]

Even the best college coaches need players. He doesn’t have that yet. I’m not convinced he ever will at stj but if he does, tricky Ricky obviously knows what to do with them.

 

[MU in MKE]

St. John’s takes a lot of low percentage shots and blew a 10 point second half lead as a result. They can probably say goodbye to a tournament bid with the loss to BCU. They are going to have a tough time getting enough wins to get a bid. They are 6-3. A win over Fordham gets them to 7-3. They probably need 19 or 20 wins to get a bid. Does anyone see St. Johns going 12-8 in the Big East?

St. John's isn't sitting that bad. They have 3 losses, all of which right now are quad 1 and 2 (although plenty can change with quad rankings by end of season). They have Fordham and Hofstra to bring their OOC to 8-3. NCAAT qualification is not tied to number of wins, but if you absolutely had to pick a number, 18 regular season wins may be enough to qualify them for the tournament, even without any BET wins. Plenty of teams have had 18 reg season wins and made it in, even with a Q3 loss (which St. John's does not yet).

Thinking purely in terms of # of wins is the old way of doing things, it's all about Quad wins/losses, metrics, and SoS now.

Either way, going .500 in conf play could very well be enough, depending on how those wins/losses pan out.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

St. John’s may improve as the season goes on, but so far they have only 1 good win (Utah), a win against 4-5 WVU, otherwise wins against weak nothings, and losses to .500 Michigan, decent 6-2 Dayton, and blah BCU which has no impressive wins so far (maybe St John’s or Vandy?).

 

[MU in MKE]

St. John’s may improve as the season goes on, but so far they have only 1 good win (Utah), a win against 4-5 WVU, otherwise wins against weak nothings, and losses to .500 Michigan, decent 6-2 Dayton, and blah BCU which has no impressive wins so far (maybe St John’s or Vandy?).

That's totally ok, as long as BC and Michigan stay in Q2. Remember, we're talking bubble team qualifications, not trying to get a high seed. They can either get some signature in-conference wins or they can keep their resume clean of any "bad" losses and still make it in without needing to do much beyond .500 in conf. Obviously, anything they can do (signature wins, BET wins, blowout wins, etc) make it that much more likely.