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Big East January '26 Thread - Take Two

superjohn said:
Nigel James is a stud point guard and Chase Ross has always been a pretty good guard, the rest of the team is garbagio.
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And their scheme is wrong for their personnel. Scheme is all about catch and shoot 3s and they have basically nobody that can shoot.
 
Butler could realistically end up 11-9 in conference, which is enough for a bid.

Providence is the problem. The talent is really strong, but English manages to play up or down to his competition. If they win many more games against BE bubble/tournament bound teams, they are going to knock a team or two out of the dance.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Butler could realistically end up 11-9 in conference, which is enough for a bid.

Providence is the problem. The talent is really strong, but English manages to play up or down to his competition. If they win many more games against BE bubble/tournament bound teams, they are going to knock a team or two out of the dance.
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There's no way 11-9 in conference is enough for a bid and they're not going 11-9 in conference.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Butler could realistically end up 11-9 in conference, which is enough for a bid.

Providence is the problem. The talent is really strong, but English manages to play up or down to his competition. If they win many more games against BE bubble/tournament bound teams, they are going to knock a team or two out of the dance.
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11-9 means they can lose 4 more, and they still have 8 games against teams higher than them in the BE standings. That would put them at 20-11 which is barely the bubble at best

They were putting together a pretty decent season but the collapse to start BE play doomed them
 
REB1094 said:
11-9 means they can lose 4 more, and they still have 8 games against teams higher than them in the BE standings. That would put them at 20-11 which is barely the bubble at best

They were putting together a pretty decent season but the collapse to start BE play doomed them
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What do you think the bubble is going to look like? Spoiler alert: Florida, Michigan State and UNC are not bubble teams, they are locks.

They didn’t collapse, they played the hardest part of their schedule first.

Look at Indiana and UCLA. Their best KenPom win is Washington.
 
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REB1094 said:
11-9 means they can lose 4 more, and they still have 8 games against teams higher than them in the BE standings. That would put them at 20-11 which is barely the bubble at best

They were putting together a pretty decent season but the collapse to start BE play doomed them
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Isn't 20-11 and 11-9 in conference the legit definition of a bubble team?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
What do you think the bubble is going to look like? Spoiler alert: Florida, Michigan State and UNC are not bubble teams, they are locks.

They didn’t collapse, they played the hardest part of their schedule first.

Look at Indiana and UCLA. Their best KenPom win is Washington.
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I looked at it on Torvik and Butler would have 50/50 tournament odds if they finished BE play 11-9. That would entail winning 3 of the following 4 games: vs Seton Hall, vs Creighton, at PC, at Georgetown, as well as taking care of business vs the bottom tier.

It's not impossible but I would guess they drop more must win games before the end of the season
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Butler could realistically end up 11-9 in conference, which is enough for a bid.

Providence is the problem. The talent is really strong, but English manages to play up or down to his competition. If they win many more games against BE bubble/tournament bound teams, they are going to knock a team or two out of the dance.
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English doesn’t, the team is entirely driven by motivation
 
The 4 teams with a realistic shot have already been identified with Butler in the distance. Everyone else is too far behind to have any practical faith.

I think Butler muddied things up for Seton. At this point, it’s much more likely Hall misses than Butler makes it.
 
RuffRuff said:
A true center can command space in the paint and rebound.
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yeah, that's not Iguadharo even though he was a very good player with Marquette. Marquette over the years with Shaka had been decent at offensive rebounding, nothing special though. But their defensive rebounding has always been a problem and ranked in the 200s.
 
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gsmooth said:
yeah, that's not Iguadharo even though he was a very good player with Marquette. Marquette over the years with Shaka had been decent at offensive rebounding, nothing special though. But their defensive rebounding has always been a problem and ranked in the 200s.
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Def not Iggy. He was more of a mobile, undersized center famous for his push shot.
 
Would be a shame if Hall can't do what it needs to do to make the dance. Personally I'd rather Vill, St Jhns, and UConn to be as dominant as possible(beating SH), and get deeper into the NCAA's. So can they go 9-4 rest of the way(SJ2x, UConn, Vill L's)? Creighton PC Butler at the front of a 5 game home stand going to make them or break.
 
boog204 said:
Isn't 20-11 and 11-9 in conference the legit definition of a bubble team?
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Yes, they will be on the bubble with a 50/50 chance if they manage to go .692 the rest of the way (they started .286 in BE play)

They have to win 1 of: @SJU, UConn, Seton Hall rematch, @Nova, Creighton rematch. And then go 8-0 in the rest

Which is why I think they’re done. Not bullish on them doing that. And even if they do, it’s a coin flip
 
I am officially intrigued with St. John's vs Seton Hall at MSG. Both teams rely and pride themselves on rugged athleticism and pressure defense. Plus, Seton Hall is reeling with 2 straight losses at home vs UConn and Butler.
 
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REB1094 said:
Yes, they will be on the bubble with a 50/50 chance if they manage to go .692 the rest of the way (they started .286 in BE play)

They have to win 1 of: @SJU, UConn, Seton Hall rematch, @Nova, Creighton rematch. And then go 8-0 in the rest

Which is why I think they’re done. Not bullish on them doing that. And even if they do, it’s a coin flip
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I checked, and other teams are going to lose too. It turns out someone has to lose every game, and if these teams were good, they wouldn't be on the bubble.

If the SEC is really the Super Conference that the efficiency ratings claim, then there should be a lot of upsets in conference play. If it continues to go mostly chalk, then it is a sign that maybe it isn't that good.

Maybe it doesn't matter. Maybe 2 Big East teams get bids. Not going to care too much. Just enjoying the season, college athletics may be in a doom loop. It is a coin flip whether it will be worth watching in 5 years.
 
Seton Hall gotta go into the half with a lead because the 2nd half StJ onslaught is probably coming at some point
 
aceboon said:
Seton Hall gotta go into the half with a lead because the 2nd half StJ onslaught is probably coming at some point
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Seton Hall also a 2H comeback team. They rarely go into the break up.
 
aceboon said:
Seton Hall gotta go into the half with a lead because the 2nd half StJ onslaught is probably coming at some point
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100. Seton Hall's offense can go dry for long stretches and it can be tough to watch.

Pitino is going to go nuts in the locker room. He looked pissed.
 
Multiple point blank opportunities at the rim missed by SH that would have put them up 8 heading into the half. Every time I watch SH Rivera is always blowing easy ones
 
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