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Regional differences seem large.

I was not aware, here in the deep south, that women played hockey and only barely aware of hockey in general.

Now baseball and softball (women) I do know about...a regional difference.

When I was a kid, baseball was America's sport. The sport of my father's WWII generation. The world stopped during the Series.

Baseball is the way we were
Football is the way we are
 
Aha, so... we've made similar points in the past about UConn's home market. BBall is a big deal in the region, and it generates a lot of money. So, you see the value.

I'm a big college hockey fan. You're right about the Minnesota Gophers. Notre Dame... not so much.

It's different because it's different up.
 
Regional differences seem large.

I was not aware, here in the deep south, that women played hockey and only barely aware of hockey in general.

Now baseball and softball (women) I do know about...a regional difference.

When I was a kid, baseball was America's sport. The sport of my father's WWII generation. The world stopped during the Series.

Baseball is the way we were
Football is the way we are

Since defensive football is going the way of the dodo bird, an athlete at the age of 14 right now should focus on WR/TE. Forget about CB/LB.

5-10 years from now I expect to see better WRs and TEs, especially TEs. 10 years ago, TEs were almost out of the game. Right now, we're going to see kids who were formerly top notch OLBs prefer the TE position. With the new emphasis, kids would be stupid to go for any other position than QB/TE/WR.
 
The thing about MSG is that they get paid regardless. They rent out the facility. It's the BE's responsibility to fill that place up, not MSGs.

I don't know about concessions. Obviously there is no parking.

But at the end of the day, the only thing that MSG really cares about is that some conference out there is going to shell out MSG's hefty fees to rent the place. I believe I read somewhere that the OLD BE only broke even on the tourney.

Villanova and St. John's better get their act together quick, because the entire fate of that tourney relies on those two schools.

Fox Sports Will Sell for Big East
(Sports Business Journal, November 11, 2013) Fox Sports has recently inked a two-year deal with the Big East conference to sell and market all corporate sponsorship throughout the Big East. This deal was made only days before the Big East kicked off the beginning of a 12-year, $600 million deal with Fox Sports as their primary televising network. The Big East now joins the ranks of the SEC and very few other conferences to make such a lucrative deal. The Big East executives believe they are paving the way for the other conferences to make integrated deals with television networks by granting them rights for televising and sponsorship sales.

Fox Sports has hit the ground running with a hardy advertising scheme that has led to regular season tickets being mostly sold out, and an astounding 70% of tickets to the Big East tournament, which is in March, have been sold already. A substantial reason that this deal was able to happen was because Val Ackerman was named the commissioner of the Big East just four months ago. She has been vital in negotiating this deal; she stated, “This is not just a basketball deal. They share our determination to promote and maximize the commercial opportunities with all of our sports.” Soon after she landed the job as commissioner, she was contacted by many agencies attempting to gain rights to sponsorship. Ackerman turned them all down though because she saw the upside in integrating sponsorship and televising all under one roof.

This deal is believed by both sides to be a ground-breaking deal that most if not all conferences willestablish in the very near future. It gives the Big East a leg up on the competition, and if all goes well, this deal will put Fox Sports in the driver’s seat to make deals with other conferences. Fox Sports has taken a big step forward in becoming one of the premier college sports networks and will already have experience when the next conference comes calling.
 
Two things on that article. First, until I see the financials I am just going to assume that FoxSports demanded additional content from the BigEast as they come to grips with how much they overpaid. And second, selling tickets to MSG is not a significant news story if the schools bought the tickets to resell to students and alumni, which I assume is the case here.
 
Two things on that article. First, until I see the financials I am just going to assume that FoxSports demanded additional content from the BigEast as they come to grips with how much they overpaid. And second, selling tickets to MSG is not a significant news story if the schools bought the tickets to resell to students and alumni, which I assume is the case here.
Bloomberg has the story as well and it's a little more then them demanding this contract. You will never know the amount unless the BE invites VCU but all parties say it's very lucrative. The rationalizations on this board are amazing. It's ok to say the BE has done well for themselves without denigrating your own school.
 
Two things on that article. First, until I see the financials I am just going to assume that FoxSports demanded additional content from the BigEast as they come to grips with how much they overpaid. And second, selling tickets to MSG is not a significant news story if the schools bought the tickets to resell to students and alumni, which I assume is the case here.

This: the BET was 100% sold out regularly.
 
Not this early

Of course it was. Season ticket holders sourced their tix through schools. You seem like a good fan, I'm sure you've been to the BET as often as I have. You know how this works. The BE had absolutely no choice but to buy all those tix ahead of time.

Seriously, are you saying demand is up? You lose Pitt, UConn, Cuse & Louisville and demand is up? This strikes me as beyond preposterous.
 
Maybe it's just me but I'm hoping the BE does really well for Fox. And I hope the AAC can do more than just tread water in football and really make a statement in basketball. The BE is not UConn's enemy. If they do well for Fox and the AAC does well then there will be at least two networks bidding for the AAC in six years should UConn have to remain in the AAC.
 
Of course it was. Season ticket holders sourced their tix through schools. You seem like a good fan, I'm sure you've been to the BET as often as I have. You know how this works. The BE had absolutely no choice but to buy all those tix ahead of time.

Seriously, are you saying demand is up? You lose Pitt, UConn, Cuse & Louisville and demand is up? This strikes me as beyond preposterous.

No, I'm not saying that obviously it's a big difference without UConn and Cuse. Pitt is not the massive loss for the tournament that many here are making them out to be. Creighton on the other hand has a crazy passionate fan base and I expect them to attend in large numbers, rivaling what Cuse has done.
 
One other point, I'm not concerned about this year, the level of enthusiasm is very high right now at all the schools. I more concerned with the 3-5 years down the road when all this has settled down a bit.
 
There is no collection of arguments that you can make that we are better off in terms of conference and television exposure than they are.
Um considering the ratings of FS1 compared to ESPN and the amount of games we have on the ESPN channels, the argument about exposure is very easy. The exposure we have is better, a lot better.

As for conference that is a probably a different story. All I know is right now more AAC teams are ranked than Big East.
 
For all of its faults, 'Cuse is within driving distance of NYC. Creighton University is 94 miles from its nearest major airport and a round trip ticket is north of $500. Assuming all ten Big East teams make the conference tournament, means that two teams get a first round bye, which also means a 4 day event. Whether, Creighton is in the top two seeds or not, to make the trip worthwhile, I think that Creighton has to make at least the semifinal and the average fan would have to procure tickets to all sessions in which their games are played, which further means they have to purchase games that do not involve Creighton. I assume that the Final game will be played on Saturday night (like past BETs.), which means potentially 4 hotel nights in NYC as well. So there is another G. I don't know about you, but I'm wouldn't count on Creighton to fill up the Garden...

No, I'm not saying that obviously it's a big difference without UConn and Cuse. Pitt is not the massive loss for the tournament that many here are making them out to be. Creighton on the other hand has a crazy passionate fan base and I expect them to attend in large numbers, rivaling what Cuse has done.
 
For all of its faults, 'Cuse is within driving distance of NYC. Creighton University is 94 miles from its nearest major airport and a round trip ticket is north of $500. Assuming all ten Big East teams make the conference tournament, means that two teams get a first round bye, which also means a 4 day event. Whether, Creighton is in the top two seeds or not, to make the trip worthwhile, I think that Creighton has to make at least the semifinal and the average fan would have to procure tickets to all sessions in which their games are played, which further means they have to purchase games that do not involve Creighton. I assume that the Final game will be played on Saturday night (like past BETs.), which means potentially 4 hotel nights in NYC as well. So there is another G. I don't know about you, but I'm wouldn't count on Creighton to fill up the Garden...
Well, they are coming this year at least as they have purchased more tickets than any one school ever has. I have a different take on them staying if eliminated, they are travelling to the greatest city on the planet many probably for the 1st time. I bet they stay the whole time, at least this year anyway.
 
Well, they are coming this year at least as they have purchased more tickets than any one school ever has. I have a different take on them staying if eliminated, they are travelling to the greatest city on the planet many probably for the 1st time. I bet they stay the whole time, at least this year anyway.

I don't know what the Big East ticket allotment policy is. You very well may know more than I. My comment was more aimed toward future years (I see you concede that). The Big East could guarantee the attendance of 'Cuse and UConn fans over and above their schools' allotment each and every year.

I guess we also have differing opinions on NYC as well. I'm good for about 24 hours. After that, I'm ready for fresh air again (or at least the promise thereof).;)
 
No, I'm not saying that obviously it's a big difference without UConn and Cuse. Pitt is not the massive loss for the tournament that many here are making them out to be. Creighton on the other hand has a crazy passionate fan base and I expect them to attend in large numbers, rivaling what Cuse has done.

Be prepared to be disappointed.

Now, Pitt does nothing for me as a fanbase, or really in their performance as a BE team. They showed up a year or two late, blocked Penn State, and did nothing much over their tenure. That being said, hordes of them showed up at MSG for the BET. Over the years, UConn has had the biggest fanbase at the BET with Cuse second. Creighton is not going to travel fans from Nebraska every year to pack the garden. The early games are always sparsely populated. When Creighton loses (and they are likely to lose earlier at this level) the fans are going to sell their tix.
 
I guess we will see. If the games are competitive it will still be an event. If there is a half empty arena for the semifinals on Friday then I will be very disappointed.
 
Husky25,for you and I who have probably been there a million times, 4 days is a loooong time there, for people from Nebraska who have never been, the tourist attractions alone will eat up the time.
 
This year, Absolutely. What about next year, the year after that, and/or the years that Creighton is terrible? In years that 'Cuse and UConn were less than good, their fans still filled the building. The same cannot be said for Seton Hall or St. Johns in down years. At best their fans go to MSG for their own teams' games, which have been few and far between in recent years. Now that all teams are eligible for the tournament, it may be different...And yes, 4 days is indeed a long time in The City.;)
Husky25,for you and I who have probably been there a million times, 4 days is a loooong time there, for people from Nebraska who have never been, the tourist attractions alone will eat up the time.
 
Can't disagree with that. I guess we will see. I expect with PC's re-emergence they will have decent attendance, but Cuse and UConn are massive losses for attendance. There is a fair number of NYC money folks who attend the event and I expect that to continue if the games are good.
 
This year, Absolutely. What about next year, the year after that, and/or the years that Creighton is terrible? In years that 'Cuse and UConn were less than good, their fans still filled the building. The same cannot be said for Seton Hall or St. Johns in down years. At best their fans go to MSG for their own teams' games, which have been few and far between in recent years. Now that all teams are eligible for the tournament, it may be different...And yes, 4 days is indeed a long time in The City.;)

Creighton has to up their recruiting game. This school's dirty little secret is that they have feasted on the sisters of the poor for decades. Have a look at their NCAA tourney performance. Not pretty.

Of the new additions, I have the most faith in Xavier.
 
I guess we will see. If the games are competitive it will still be an event. If there is a half empty arena for the semifinals on Friday then I will be very disappointed.

I wish the BE good luck and I would love to play some of the teams in the future.

Selling out the Garden has never been a problem for the BE Tournament as schools were allotted at most ~1000 tickets/school. In the New BE, allotments will be higher due to fewer schools in the BE, but each school should buy their allotment.

The real issue is the secondary market as any of us who have gone to many BE Tournaments understand. You don't get 8k UConn or Syracuse fans in the Garden without substantial secondary market purchases. The packed crowds in the semis and finals are due to people selling their tickets either after their teams lose or it's time to go home. Before the BE Tournament moved to Saturday night, the Sunday finals would sometimes have subpar actual attendance.

So, the Garden will be a sellout, but will the BE schools have enough fans in the NYC area willing to purchase tickets on the secondary market to pack the stands for every game, especially the championship game that only includes 2 teams? We don't have real good history as the current Big East has only had 4 spots (Georgetown 3x, St. John's 1x) in the championship game since 2000. That is 4 spots out of 28!!
 
One other point. If the BE Tournament were held today and the top 2 ranked BE teams were in the Championship, the game would be #23 Creighton vs #25 Marquette. This would not be good for attendance or casual interest in the game.
 
Creighton has to up their recruiting game. This school's dirty little secret is that they have feasted on the sisters of the poor for decades. Have a look at their NCAA tourney performance. Not pretty.

Of the new additions, I have the most faith in Xavier.
I mentioned the same thing in a post on page 4/5 or thereabouts.
 
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