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[UConnJim]

I have a different take on this, shocking I know. I think once again this hearkens back to the glory days of the BE (80's early 90's), when any team had a shot. SHU, UConn they all had a shot and it became an event because NY loved the chance at the upstart winning and the games were out of this world. Once the BE went to the large football schools and they dominated, it was just not the same, outside of the students and the fans of those particular schools, it seemed to me that a lot of the fans at center court were constantly on their smartphones checking their scores they bet on.

It's going to come down to if the 10 schools can create or re-create rivalries with the round robin format.

No, it's going to come down to if the New Big East teams can become relevant in basketball again. Fans want to see good teams, especially casual fans. In the 80s and early 90s, the fans came to see great teams and great players: Patrick Ewing and Georgetown, Pearl Washington and Syracuse, Chris Mullen and St. John's, ...

I hope the BE thrives, but it is going to be an uphill climb.

 

[dmac80]

The Big East Tournament?

You won't find Creighton coming with big numbers

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Creighton has outsold Syracuse who set the pace at 1800 all game tickets sold last year. I believe they finished over 2,000 sold and could still request more if needed.

Creighton Bluejays ‏ @ gocreighton 1 Nov
Just announced Creighton MBB's sold over 1,900 all-session tickets to BIG EAST Tourney. 3 more hours to get yours! http://*****/qpXbF

 

[Husky25]

But then you're going to have to explain how they shot 50% the rest of the game? They only went cold when they pulled the starters.

I said if they didn't play great semifinal games, I'd blame the venue (As a Redskins fan, I'll blame the venue anyway ). My point remains that neither 1) teams competing on the same level, nor 2) a close game guarantee an entertaining product.

 

[UConnJim]

Think about this. There have been only 4 Big East Tournaments in which the two teams in the Finals are still in the Big East and the last time it happened was in 1994, 20 years ago!

 

[upstater]

Creighton has outsold Syracuse who set the pace at 1800 all game tickets sold last year. I believe they finished over 2,000 sold and could still request more if needed.

Creighton Bluejays ‏ @ gocreighton 1 Nov
Just announced Creighton MBB's sold over 1,900 all-session tickets to BIG EAST Tourney. 3 more hours to get yours! http:// /qpXbF

That's not very many.

When UConn/Cuse were playing, 12,000 fans from each school were in the building. Unless they were playing one another. Pitt probably brought 5,000.

 

[UConnJim]

Creighton has outsold Syracuse who set the pace at 1800 all game tickets sold last year. I believe they finished over 2,000 sold and could still request more if needed.

Creighton Bluejays ‏ @ gocreighton 1 Nov
Just announced Creighton MBB's sold over 1,900 all-session tickets to BIG EAST Tourney. 3 more hours to get yours! http:// /qpXbF

Big East tournament tickets are allocated to schools as the public sale of BE Tourney tickets was discontinued, I think, in 2006. No school in the old BE was ever allocated or allowed to purchase 2000 tickets to the tournament.

 

[UConnJim]

That's not very many.

When UConn/Cuse were playing, 12,000 fans from each school were in the building. Unless they were playing one another. Pitt probably brought 5,000.

He doesn't understand the secondary market at the BE Tourney. In the old days, schools were allocated ~1000 to 1500 tickets, yet Syracuse and UConn could have 10k+ at a game by buying tickets in the secondary market. If Creighton is in the finals and there are only 2k Creighton fans there, I will guarantee that MSG will be > half empty even though it will be reported as a sell out.

 

[FriarJ]

Think about this. There have been only 4 Big East Tournaments in which the two teams in the Finals are still in the Big East and the last time it happened was in 1994, 20 years ago!

You guys were very close to making it that year if I remember correctly

 

[FriarJ]

That's not very many.

When UConn/Cuse were playing, 12,000 fans from each school were in the building. Unless they were playing one another. Pitt probably brought 5,000.

Your math needs work. The arena holds about 19k, 5-7k at the event are CBB fans not Cuse or UConn fans. I was at the 6 OT game and there are many fans that pay huge money in the secondary market just to attend.

 

[Husky25]

Making it in the Big East? '94 was the year that if not for a 94 feet in 3 seconds Tyus Edney drive, UConn would have gone to the Final 4.

Edit: I'm mistaken. That game happened in the 1995 NCAA tourney...

 

[FriarJ]

Making it in the Big East? '94 was the year that if not for a 94 feet in 3 seconds Tyus Edney drive, UConn would have gone to the Final 4.

Edit: I'm mistaken. That game happened in the 1995 NCAA tourney...

Yeah, and I was referring to making it to the BE Championship game.

 

[Husky25]

Yeah, and I was referring to making it to the BE Championship game.

No I understand. My unmade point was that the BET was merely a speedbump to the Elite 8. Alas, I was about 365 days off.

 

[sdhusky]

The reality is that if things stay static, the ACC and the NBE are both going to good mid-major conferences.

Being in the top third of a good mid-major conference is a huge step for up PC and a huge step down for UCONN.

So, PC just has to worry about being better than SHU and depaul and URI and St Johns.

UCONN has to worry about getting the hell out of dodge and into a major conference.

 

[upstater]

Your math needs work. The arena holds about 19k, 5-7k at the event are CBB fans not Cuse or UConn fans. I was at the 6 OT game and there are many fans that pay huge money in the secondary market just to attend.

19k - (5-7k) = 12k.

Secondary market eh? Doesn't that reinforce my point?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Z,

How are FS2's ratings compared to ESPN3?

 

[whaler11]

Why is upstater so angry about Creighton? What did they ever do to anyone?

They have a great fanbase. That they won't get as many people to NYC from half a country away than UConn can with 90 minutes on a train... this is bothering you?

 

[FriarJ]

19k - (5-7k) = 12k.

Secondary market eh? Doesn't that reinforce my point?

You wrote 12,000 from each school

 

[FriarJ]

Why is upstater so angry about Creighton? What did they ever do to anyone?

They have a great fanbase. That they won't get as many people to NYC from half a country away than UConn can with 90 minutes on a train... this is bothering you?

Good lord, everything about Fox Sports, the BE and anything else not UConn bothers him.

 

[zls44]

Z,

How are FS2's ratings compared to ESPN3?

I believe people are eligible for ESPN3 than FS2. It would depend on the sport for ESPN3...but, given the low bar to meet, it's probably much closer than you assume.

 

[FriarJ]

I believe people are eligible for ESPN3 than FS2. It would depend on the sport for ESPN3...but, given the low bar to meet, it's probably much closer than you assume.

I seriously doubt that. FS2 has 40 million subscribers, you can't find 10 million that even know wtf espn3 is.

 

[upstater]

Good lord, everything about Fox Sports, the BE and anything else not UConn bothers him.

If only you could read we wouldn't have this idiocy. This is what I wrote: "When UConn/Cuse were playing, 12,000 fans from each school were in the building. Unless they were playing one another."

 

[upstater]

Why is upstater so angry about Creighton? What did they ever do to anyone?

They have a great fanbase. That they won't get as many people to NYC from half a country away than UConn can with 90 minutes on a train... this is bothering you?

As usual, you make stuff up. Who said it bothers me? Who said I was angry? Do you have friends with whom you discuss things? I doubt it.
Long before Creighton joined the BE, I wrote they are a paper tiger on this board. Always have been. They've been ranked very high for several years now, after flopping in the OOC and the tourney. Easy conference schedule gets them ranked high. If they could pull a Butler, George Mason, VCU or Wichita St., or heck a Valparaiso just once in 30 years, I'd give them more credit.

 

[whaler11]

As usual, you make stuff up. Who said it bothers me? Who said I was angry? Do you have friends with whom you discuss things? I doubt it.
Long before Creighton joined the BE, I wrote they are a paper tiger on this board. Always have been. They've been ranked very high for several years now, after flopping in the OOC and the tourney. Easy conference schedule gets them ranked high. If they could pull a Butler, George Mason, VCU or Wichita St., or heck a Valparaiso just once in 30 years, I'd give them more credit.

Oh you are arguing with voices in your head. You are going on and on about Creighton when nobody is saying anything beyond they have a good fanbase.

They went to the second round the last two years losing to Duke and North Carolina. That is pretty embarrassing.

But keep telling us how you sniffed out Creighton isn't that great Nostradamus. Nobody has argued the opposite but I think you should reinforce a few more times how you were all over it.

 

[upstater]

Oh you are arguing with voices in your head. You are going on and on about Creighton when nobody is saying anything beyond they have a good fanbase.

They went to the second round the last two years losing to Duke and North Carolina. That is pretty embarrassing.

But keep telling us how you sniffed out Creighton isn't that great Nostradamus. Nobody has argued the opposite but I think you should reinforce a few more times how you were all over it.

Jeez, don't have an aneurism. Calm down.

Yes, they haven't done well in the tourney in 30 years. I know you're very impressed by that, but I think it's no big deal.

As for who brought up Creighton, it wasn't me. It was the PCs. Get a clue.

 

[whaler11]

Jeez, don't have an aneurism. Calm down.

Yes, they haven't done well in the tourney in 30 years. I know you're very impressed by that, but I think it's no big deal.

As for who brought up Creighton, it wasn't me. It was the PCs. Get a clue.

Yes, I'm very impressed by what Creighton did in the NCAA tournament the last 30 years. Who makes things up?

You said that you have been calling out Creighton as a paper tiger - I merely pointed out that they had two recent teams that were somewhat well regarded and they lost to Duke and North Carolina in the second round.

The PCs brought them up in the context of attendance and support and you are still railing about your impressive prediction that an MVC team that gets dealt tough seeds doesn't usually go far in the tournament. That's super insightful. Thank God you were all over it.

 

[zls44]

I seriously doubt that. FS2 has 40 million subscribers, you can't find 10 million that even know wtf espn3 is.

You really think that many people know where/if there's FS2? For one thing, it's not as widely available, while one is available on every electronic device under the sun.

 

[zls44]

If only you could read we wouldn't have this idiocy. This is what I wrote: "When UConn/Cuse were playing, 12,000 fans from each school were in the building. Unless they were playing one another."

I agree that you implied each school brought 12,000 each. Just admit you made an accounting error and move on.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

As usual, you make stuff up. Who said it bothers me? Who said I was angry? Do you have friends with whom you discuss things? I doubt it.
Long before Creighton joined the BE, I wrote they are a paper tiger on this board. Always have been. They've been ranked very high for several years now, after flopping in the OOC and the tourney. Easy conference schedule gets them ranked high. If they could pull a Butler, George Mason, VCU or Wichita St., or heck a Valparaiso just once in 30 years, I'd give them more credit.

You are wrong on almost every point you make. So going to the Final Four is all the matters? How many of UConn's current conference mates have ever been to one? Cincinnati's last was over 20 years ago, and Memphis has not sniffed the second weekend since the squid stopped hiring test takers.

You want to see grim ratings? Wait for UConn/UCF or UConn/ECU next year.

Go to a UConn game. The Gampel was 2/3's full on Sunday. 5 years ago, the Gampel is packed for a Sunday afternoon game. There is no energy left in the fan base, and we are just entering purgatory. Wait until the casual fans start to realize they are in a southern mid-major football conference without a single true rival. By the time any conference thinks about expanding, UConn will be off the radar. The fan base gone, and the athletic program killed.

 

[UConnJim]

You are wrong on almost every point you make. So going to the Final Four is all the matters? How many of UConn's current conference mates have ever been to one? Cincinnati's last was over 20 years ago, and Memphis has not sniffed the second weekend since the squid stopped hiring test takers.

You want to see grim ratings? Wait for UConn/UCF or UConn/ECU next year.

Go to a UConn game. The Gampel was 2/3's full on Sunday. 5 years ago, the Gampel is packed for a Sunday afternoon game. There is no energy left in the fan base, and we are just entering purgatory. Wait until the casual fans start to realize they are in a southern mid-major football conference without a single true rival. By the time any conference thinks about expanding, UConn will be off the radar. The fan base gone, and the athletic program killed.

Thank you Debbie Downer. Why bother with The Boneyard? You are obviously a miserable person, so take your negativity somewhere else. The Rutgers board is looking for subscribers.

I am a UConn fan and I will support UConn. We play some great teams this year. We have a great team. I am enjoying this season as I enjoy every season and I will continue to send my donation supporting UConn athletics.

 

[LIUCHusky]

You are wrong on almost every point you make. So going to the Final Four is all the matters? How many of UConn's current conference mates have ever been to one? Cincinnati's last was over 20 years ago, and Memphis has not sniffed the second weekend since the squid stopped hiring test takers.

You want to see grim ratings? Wait for UConn/UCF or UConn/ECU next year.

Go to a UConn game. The Gampel was 2/3's full on Sunday. 5 years ago, the Gampel is packed for a Sunday afternoon game. There is no energy left in the fan base, and we are just entering purgatory. Wait until the casual fans start to realize they are in a southern mid-major football conference without a single true rival. By the time any conference thinks about expanding, UConn will be off the radar. The fan base gone, and the athletic program killed.

Nelson, your attendance estimate for the past Sunday game is more than a little bit off. There were well over 8,000 in attendance. 2/3 full means 1 in 3 seats were empty. Not even close.