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upstater said:
Son of the Bronx has the weekly numbers. I've been posting them. No matter how you cut it, the BE ratings are far far far behind the AAC on ESPN so far.
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I missed the ratings for Tulane, ECU's, Houston's, Tulsa's, USF's and UCF's nationally televised games. Can you please provide those?
 
upstater said:
UConn has great ratings.
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So you are comparing a handful of nationally televised UConn games to basically the entire Big East broadcast schedule as evidence that the AAC is a better conference than the Big East? Stellar analysis.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
So you are comparing a handful of nationally televised UConn games to basically the entire Big East broadcast schedule as evidence that the AAC is a better conference than the Big East? Stellar analysis.
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I'm discussing UConn and that's it. You constantly are adding things that people never said. But I am using UConn's ratings to show how UConn is in a much better situation than being in BE oblivion. And it's not just the big games, but even the BC game did 5x better (600k viewers) than the top BE games on Fox. And the BE has had some games when their top guns took on P5 teams as formidable as Maryland and the like. No one watched them though.
 
upstater said:
You should visit the AAC board once linked to here. Outside of Cincy and UConn, they are psyched to be in the AAC. The attitude of the Memphis fan posting on our bball board is common over there. Conversely, if you go to HoyaTalk, the G'town fans are looking for a way out. They are not happy to be there.
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You are probably right. The AAC is probably an upgrade from Conference USA for the newcomers. Still their fans would love another invite while the Big East schools know they are at their pinnacle.
 
whaler11 said:
You are probably right. The AAC is probably an upgrade from Conference USA for the newcomers. Still their fans would love another invite while the Big East schools know they are at their pinnacle.
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It's a huge upgrade, in that they lose some of their worst teams (although they carry over Tulsa and Tulane), and gain UConn, Cincy, and Temple. The league is more akin to Conference USA from roughly 1999-2005.
 
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tzznandrew said:
It's a huge upgrade, in that they lose some of their worst teams (although they carry over Tulsa and Tulane), and gain UConn, Cincy, and Temple. The league is more akin to Conference USA from roughly 1999-2005.
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But Memphis, UCF and Houston allowed it to be watered down with Tulsa, Tulane and East Carolina. Should have gone with 8-9.
 
whaler11 said:
But Memphis, UCF and Houston allowed it to be watered down with Tulsa, Tulane and East Carolina. Should have gone with 8-9.
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I thought 10 was perfect. No idea why they're hung up on a championship game for football.
 
whaler11 said:
But Memphis, UCF and Houston allowed it to be watered down with Tulsa, Tulane and East Carolina. Should have gone with 8-9.
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Agreed. Although ECU was pretty decent last year (18 regular season wins, 23 after winning the awful CIT), and are 6-2 this year (good loss against Duke, terrible loss to Wilmington). They're a better addition than Tulsa and Tulane. This isn't saying much, but it's true.
 
Tulsa and Tulane were terrible ideas. Tulsa tries, but it is one of the smallest FBS schools and shares a state the size of Connecticut with two top programs. It has been a long time since Tulsa was good in hoops. Tulane is not even trying. Other than fun road trips for the 50 or so fans that want to spend $1,000 to see UConn play Tulane, there was no reason to add that school.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
There is always a difficulty in reading raw ratings data because we don't know network or how much was on simultaneously. I suspect Big Monday outdraws games later in the week because there is not a lot of competition on Mondays.

Digging deeper into the data, something looks wrong. The Big 10 dominates the list, which would not be shocking by itself, except that Minnesota is a Top 10 ratings winner, and there are not nearly enough Big 10 games represented in the list. So I suspect that only certain networks, such as ESPN, CBS and ABC, are included. It also doesn't reflect the relative value of certain markets. How much is a .8 with a heavy NY viewership worth compared to a .9 out of Missouri?

The Big 10 gets a lot of CBS and ABC, which will drive their numbers. If the BTN is left out of the numbers, it is artificially putting the Big 10's best foot forward without dinging them for the mid season Illinois/Northwestern matchup on the BTN that draws a .1.

The Pac 12's numbers are atrocious, as they always are when any kind of ratings analysis is done.
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The data is based on nationally televised games so we can draw some conclusions in terms of ratings (without considering markets and share). For more detail, this article references Big Apple Buckets, which references the Sports Media Watch article (below).

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/201...-2-numbers-for-the-second-half-of-the-season/

The Minnesota numbers make perfect sense. Minnesota benefits from playing Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, etc., which illustrates the impact that highly rated opponents can have. This "dependency" is why NBE will be affected in an adverse way by not playing ratings leaders such as Louisville, UCONN, Syracuse, Notre Dame, Cincinatti, PITT, etc. UCONN will also be affected somewhat, but they will have a fairly decent presence on ESPN with a fair amount of high profile games.
 
upstater said:
I thought 10 was perfect. No idea why they're hung up on a championship game for football.
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10 for football with Navy and 9 for basketball was the right number. East Carolina football was worth their basketball program.
 
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Update: every CBB game on FS1 Saturday rated under 0.05
 
Z, what does that actually mean in terms of number of people that actually watched the games?
 
noeynox said:
Z, what does that actually mean in terms of number of people that actually watched the games?
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Something like 57,000 households, right? That's pretty embarrasing.

Comparison (slightly unfair, different sports), our 3-9 (once 0-9) football team averaged 685,200 households...
 
I think it's much lower than 57,000.
 
zls44 said:
I think it's much lower than 57,000.
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114.2 million households.

.05 Nielson Rating = 0.05% = 0.0005... wait!?

114.2 x 0.0005 = 57,100.

What am I doing wrong (because it's likely I am wrong.)

EDIT: Meant 114.2 million households rather than viewers. Fixed that.
 
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tzznandrew said:
114.2 million viewers.

.05 Nielson Rating = 0.05% = 0.0005... wait!?

114.2 x 0.0005 = 57,100.

What am I doing wrong (because it's likely I am wrong.
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I've seen a wide range of viewers for the same rating point, so they are clearly only measuring by the number of TVs that are on at any given time.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Z believes schools are better off not being on TV than going on a network other than ESPN.
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At that number, it's the same thing. Heck, ESPN3 gets more hits.

It's a great deal for the schools, though. They get paid 100x what they're delivering/have delivered. Bully for them.
 
FriarJ said:
PC vs. Kentucky had 370K households
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That's the highest FS1 # yet, by 2x. Previous highs were mid 150s. But even still with Kentucky it should be higher than that. Compare to Indiana-UConn that same weekend at over a million.
 
upstater said:
That's the highest FS1 # yet, by 2x. Previous highs were mid 150s. But even still with Kentucky it should be higher than that. Compare to Indiana-UConn that same weekend at over a million.
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Sunday night football.
 
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FriarJ said:
Sunday night football.
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I don't think that would make up 700k but it probably played a role.

Lots of factors:
PC isn't a national brand
PC isn't ranked
Second half was a blowout (relatively)
It was on FS1

I wonder how many of those 300k+ were UK fans and how many were neutral observers.

How many OOC games would the NBE need to add up to the viewership of just the IU/UConn game?
 
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