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Me too!!
Big 12 will make significant push for UConn (merged)
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Notre Dame's football team is independent. Heck their hockey team plays in the Big Ten. They pick and choose conferences as they see fit it seems. They're not a great example to use for your argument here.
And how valuable is Stanford's football program anyways? They haven't been a dominant program for some time if memory serves correct.
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I'm glad that there's a delay over inviting UConn into the Big 12.
That gives UConn an opportunity to explore all of its options without appearing to be a school begging for a new home without having any choices in the matter.
A lot of strategizing is going on over future expansions & what's best for each school, conference &TV network.
It's a big puzzle & all of the pieces need to fit to achieve the best outcome in the long run.
That gives UConn an opportunity to explore all of its options without appearing to be a school begging for a new home without having any choices in the matter.
A lot of strategizing is going on over future expansions & what's best for each school, conference &TV network.
It's a big puzzle & all of the pieces need to fit to achieve the best outcome in the long run.
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Why? The ACC is going to get eaten up and spit out. Florida State, Clemson, UNC, and Virginia are eventually going to get poached by the B1G/SEC and the ACC will disband.
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To many schools. Yes some leave for the SEC and Big10. But there are plenty left. Add a few others and you still have a strong conference. As mentioned earlier in this thread. Grab Temple, USF, Charlotte, Liberty, Buffalo, Memphis. Plenty of populous schools up and down the coast.
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I disagree. I don’t think the ACC will let happen to them what’s happening to the PAC 12. The ACC is not the conference of choice right now, but your options are two. Stay where you are, or hope to be invited to join the ACC where eventually your conference paydays will be larger than they are now. It’s being reported that the UConn athletic department is currently $40 million + in the red. UConn is looking to increase its share of conference payouts.
As coach Deion Sanders said yesterday...........”everybody (schools and athletes) is chasing that bag.” Why should UConn not join in the chase? If as you suggest the ACC goes under, then UConn will make other arrangements and find a new home. The ACC is not being mismanaged as the PAC 12 is. I trust the leadership of the ACC and UConn to make decisions that are in the best interest of their employers.
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It seems that’s a long way away. GOR said to be ironclad and hugely expensive to leave. That means 2036 unless you have a multibillionaire in your pocket.
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Just to be clear, Notre Dame is in the ACC for all sports that the ACC sponsors except Football where they have a limited commitment. Many conferences don't offer ice hockey (and other sports that are not played in most of their members) so you play in whatever conference is available. You may not remember that Loyola Maryland played in the (old) Big East for a sport or 2 (maybe women's lacrosse? or field hockey?).
The only thing that makes ND football viable as an independent is the TV contract. No, Stanford, Duke and most other teams are not getting that contract.
Stanford's football program is not particularly good right now. That said, Stanford as a whole brings a lot to the table, to me more than Cal. The academics and alumni, if nothing else.
I have never seen that UConn was not a viable Power 5 candidate, but as always it is the "fit" that is difficult. With almost coast to coast conferences, I think at some point membership will be forthcoming. That said, like Rutgers and many other schools, I'm not sure that membership in a power 5 conference solves "all" the financial problems of a UConn.
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The Loyala Maryland situation is not something I'm aware of. Maybe due to fact I'm from Canada or it happened at a point when I wasn't following college sports like I do now.
Agree Stanford offers a lot more, but to use their football program as an example by the poster I responded to wasn't a good one.
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While I dont agree with other posters on here preferring the ACC over the B12 specifically because of region, I understand your frustration (is mine too) with being such a huge disppoiintment.
But let's be honest here. High School basketball players don't give a damn about football. Schools like NC, Duke, NC State will be among the top baketball programs for teh foresseable future-- at least much better than any Big East Team.
If you can't join into your preferred conference, then you just don't give up and ignore the opportunity to get more money which is your lifeblood and play in a better conference than the one you're in if you get that chance. Instead, you take the best you are offered. Even if no longer a P5, you still try ot go to a better conference if you can.
The ship will sink quicker with less mone to repair. Even if it is minimal. "More" is still "better."
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Since the BY is involved in the vetting process, I nominate UConn and Stanford for teams 17 & 18. Geno vs Tara every year for B12 title
Oh wait....not that BY...
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Late night updates from around the horn: PAC4 meeting with MWC leadership on Monday to look at merger options. Not saying it’s happening but it does seem the most likely. I’m hearing Stanford is not on board with a merger but is going to participate out of respect for the other 3.......that and they do have a vested interest in the outcome.
As I see it, Stanford has 3 options....
1. Go along with whatever the other 3 decide to do.
2. Breakaway and make their own deal with the BIG 12 or B1G or.......
3. Go independent.
The PAC 4 has to do something fast. Time IS NOT on their side. The game is poker, and they're out of chips.
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As far as continued poaching by the B10 and SEC, how big are they willing to get? What sense does it make having a league with 24 or 30 members? I have to think they are reaching maximum load already. Maybe the FSU's and Clemson find a spot - but there are a lot of teams that will have nowhere to go.
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Good question! Unfortunately Huskies may be stuck with nowhere to go. Crazy college athletics world right now.
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OK AgStatesman, what do you suggest? I'm not suggesting you're out of bounds with your concern. However, I'm interested in what you would have them do. Keep in mind you're looking at this from a FAN'S perspective. They are looking at this from a BUSINESS perspective.
Those two roads will never meet.
Remember.....if makes dollars, it makes sense. I can see a 30-member conference with two divisions, east and west that the networks would drool over, making lots of $$$ for the conference. I submit that there will always be somewhere for the "other" teams to go, even if it means forming a new conference or two.
Example: It's been reported here that The PAC 4 has begun serious discussions with the Mountain West Conference in an attempt to find a workable solution (possible merger) to their dilemma. IMO, if the MWC were to add the 4 remaining PAC 4 schools, it would not only boost their visibility, viability as well as their respectability.
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The SEC schools get 50 million a year. At 30 schools that would be 1.5 billion per year. I don't see any network thinking thats cost effective. So I dont have any answers from a business sense, I just think there is a tipping point. Disney is looking to dump properties as we type here. ESPN had had massive layoffs. There is no way ESPN is going to be offering billions a year for media rights going forward.
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I tend to agree with you. At some point simply adding teams that have no history with one another (like rivalries) will not be valued by media partners - diminishing returns. For example, who thinks a Rutgers-Washington football game is compelling except those teams' fans and alumni? Rivalry games have national interest, think Army-Navy, Civil War (OR-OSU), Red River Showdown, etc., as do prominent national matchups in football and basketball.
I read an article (can't remember where) that discussed that what the Big Ten is doing might actually lure Notre Dame which is the gold ring of universities to add. That's because ND has valued its independence so that it could schedule the likes of USC, Stanford, several traditional midwest rivals like Purdue, Michigan and Michigan St., and also Navy. But if Stanford gets an invitation to the Big Ten then essentially everything ND wants for football is right there. As noted by another BYer, ND hockey already plays in the Big Ten, and moving their other Olympic sports from the ACC would be a no-brainer.
Here are some "headlines" from my research today about how UConn compares to other schools if we were invited to the Big 12:
1. From Day 1 we'd have the most successful men's and women's basketball programs (thus Brett Yomark's interest) - men have one more than Kansas;
2. UConn would be tied for 3rd most varsity teams with Utah and BYU, and only behind Arizona State and TCU. TCU's 20 teams include equestrian, rifle and triathlon, while ASU's 24 teams includes triathlon;
3. Only four Big 12 universities have more than UConn's 23 national championships (ASU, Utah, Colorado and Oklahoma St.);
4. UConn has the most national championships since 2000: 17 (Baylor is next with 14);
5. UConn has the most national championships since 1990: 19 (Colorado is next with 17);
6. While we have regional sports teams like ice hockey, field hockey and women's lacrosse, they've accounted for just five NC's (all FH). For Colorado (19 ski titles/total 28 titles) and Utah 14 ski titles/total 25 titles they are dominant in a sport that is also very regional.
The facts seem to show that UConn is one of the hottest and relevant athletics programs of the past 23 and 33 years, football notwithstanding, and in particular we're doing that in the 2nd largest revenue sport. We'd make any conference BETTER!
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It's all about the Benjamin's, or as Deion Sanders said, "everybody is chasing the bag," so this is all essentially an exercise in hypocrisy for things like "academic fit," etcetera. I don't remember which coach said it, but it was something like 'take the top 60 or 70 schools, break them up in divisions like the pros, play 11 or 12 games, and get to the playoffs.' The CFP contract is only for two years, or moot with all these shenanigans going on. This conference dance is just wasting time.
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I've followed this story for a week and keep shaking my head at the world of college athletics now.
Yes I am a SEC graduate and live smack in the middle of the area plus truly loved college football more than any sport until recently. I get the SEC is a media and corporate giant as is the B10 but at this point what is happening to D1 athletics is awful.
Two major sports networks have basically attempted to consolidate the biggest teams/markets into fewer networks and the money keeps getting larger, but it has to stop at some point. I already miss the SEC of pre 2010 with just 12 teams and frankly 16 is more than enough. No Clemson or FSU if you ask me and if one or both winds up moving to another conference, so be it.
I think UConn got shafted again. The school really should be in the ACC. Actually, for the good of sports, schools like Rutgers, WVU, UConn, BC, Syracuse, should reform the old BE and forget trying to get sports all across the country just for the sake of football broadcasting deals.
The B12 won last week but it now has a cross country conference with an almost silly mix of schools. Yes it has a media deal but for all the bravado of adding the four corner schools last week, I really don't think audiences will get amped up for ASU and UCF or Utah and Houston. What made college football so much fun is tradition, rivalries, and proximity to each other. Those have largely fallen by the wayside.
Lastly if I read one more article about this conference or that conference fussing about the academic quality of schools I will vomit. Consider this: West Virginia and UCF are in the B12 while Stanford and Cal didn't get invites.
Yes I am a SEC graduate and live smack in the middle of the area plus truly loved college football more than any sport until recently. I get the SEC is a media and corporate giant as is the B10 but at this point what is happening to D1 athletics is awful.
Two major sports networks have basically attempted to consolidate the biggest teams/markets into fewer networks and the money keeps getting larger, but it has to stop at some point. I already miss the SEC of pre 2010 with just 12 teams and frankly 16 is more than enough. No Clemson or FSU if you ask me and if one or both winds up moving to another conference, so be it.
I think UConn got shafted again. The school really should be in the ACC. Actually, for the good of sports, schools like Rutgers, WVU, UConn, BC, Syracuse, should reform the old BE and forget trying to get sports all across the country just for the sake of football broadcasting deals.
The B12 won last week but it now has a cross country conference with an almost silly mix of schools. Yes it has a media deal but for all the bravado of adding the four corner schools last week, I really don't think audiences will get amped up for ASU and UCF or Utah and Houston. What made college football so much fun is tradition, rivalries, and proximity to each other. Those have largely fallen by the wayside.
Lastly if I read one more article about this conference or that conference fussing about the academic quality of schools I will vomit. Consider this: West Virginia and UCF are in the B12 while Stanford and Cal didn't get invites.
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I was just going to say something about this. My wifes brother, sister-in-law, 2 nephews and her sister-in-laws parents all work at Disney. Disney is hurting. Hurting bad. Lots of lay-offs. Parks are empty compared to what they're at traditionally. I think the biggest hit is their movie studios, which is just piling on the losses. I'm not sure they want to put another Nickle into ESPN, they have bigger fish to fry for sure.
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McGraw said something similar. In the end, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the end game eventually.
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Wasn't the idea at some point in the last few years (before the NCAA recently expanded the CFB Playoffs) that some teams/conferences were going to break away from the NCAA and form their own organization, based primarily on football? If so, I guess that idea didn't get much traction.
And if it happened, I am guessing that Pitino's suggestion could become reality.
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If football breaks away and forms its own entity per se then what funds the sports that don't make money? You can't just say cut those sports with Title IX involved.
I agree with Pitino that food in airport restaurants tends to be subpar but these days you're lucky to get a bag of chips on a flight so you're often stuck with no choice.
I agree with Pitino that food in airport restaurants tends to be subpar but these days you're lucky to get a bag of chips on a flight so you're often stuck with no choice.
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I like the idea of a revival of the "old" BIG EAST. Any thoughts about a combination
of the BIG EAST and the ACC??
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