Big 12 season thread ('24-'25)

[Plebe]

Well, that was a weird game. Teams combine for 57 points in the 1st quarter and than stubble around for a collective 25 in the 2nd and than back to scoring the last two quarters. You can see why both are near the bottom of the league in defense. Cyclones are going to probably need to play better than this to win the next one versus Arizona.

This is the ASU game plan with the addition of FOULING (26 in this game) rather than defending. This loss will be the beginning of a 5 game losing streak for Adair.

My favorite moment from this game was the extended Big 12 puff piece at halftime -- which of course featured the coaches of Houston, UCF and Arizona State talking about what a "gauntlet" the Big 12 is (that was Hughey) and how every opponent is basically a pro team (this was Adair's brilliance).

That'd be like asking Xavier to be the authority on what a great conference the Big East is.

 

[Baller29]

My favorite moment from this game was the extended Big 12 puff piece at halftime -- which of course featured the coaches of Houston, UCF and Arizona State talking about what a "gauntlet" the Big 12 is (that was Hughey) and how every opponent is basically a pro team (this was Adair's brilliance).

That'd be like asking Xavier to be the authority on what a great conference the Big East is.

Messer probably gonna be relieved of her job very soon, if not by the end of next year

 

[ISUnorth]

Since we are at least a few games into league play and have enough games in that the NET isn't totally skewed, here's the Big 12 rankings. I agree on the top six, they sort of align with polls and fan's eye test, but think all six are at least a little bit too high.

 

[ISUnorth]

ASU band get a hat tip from Audi Crooks.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

A relatively significant element (and challenge) in coaching.

Yes. The team played well for 3 quarters out of 4 against Baylor, and ok in overtime. In the second half they executed the game plan well based on the pre-game "chalk talk" we attended (Salvo Coppa was the coach). I wasn't upset with much this game, even the close loss, although there were 3 concerning items:

• Once again, Skyler Jones came off the bench. Unlike UCF where she played well, she was a disaster and off the floor in like a minute.
• On several plays, both defense and offense sides, they didn't execute the play Adia was calling or trying to call, leaving Adia visibly frustrated, which is rare.
• Jada Williams remains frustrated with her teammates, at times. I get they are apparently not in the right position . . . but she shouldn't show her annoyance. OTH, they should know where they should be.

One thing I always remember, as Viv talked a lot about it in the early years at Rutgers. That is, many decisions are based on practice. She always reminded us that players who want to start need to show that they are ready in practice. Obviously I know nothing about what goes on at Arizona practices.

 

[ISUnorth]

Not much going in the Big 12. Teams favored won other that WVU who lost at OSU. That should maybe get OSU some more votes in RV category and drop WVU some more, maybe down to 20 something. Baylor and Iowa State took care of business and won both their games in Arizona.

Utah has back to back tough road games at Baylor and TCU coming up. Not much else challenging for the ranked members the next week or so. Maybe ISU at WVU will be tough for WVU but it is in Morgantown.

 

[Baller29]

Not much going in the Big 12. Teams favored won other that WVU who lost at OSU. That should maybe get OSU some more votes in RV category and drop WVU some more, maybe down to 20 something. Baylor and Iowa State took care of business and won both their games in Arizona.

Utah has back to back tough road games at Baylor and TCU coming up. Not much else challenging for the ranked members the next week or so. Maybe ISU at WVU will be tough for WVU but it is in Morgantown.

Yall think Messer gets fired or next year her last year?

 

[ISUnorth]

Yall think Messer gets fired or next year her last year?

No opinion.

I only even knew what UCF was prior to them joining the Big 12 because Iowan and former ISU assistant Katie Abrahamson-Henderson coached them. Only knew that because a handful of ISU fans are obsessed with tracking the career of every assistant that spent time coaching in Ames, like Brenda Frese who was a Cyclone assistant decades ago. We don't track former HC's because Fennelly has been in Ames for like 50 years. Katie and Brenda were assistants together at ISU but it was 25 years ago so pretty irrelevant.

 

[cancontent]

Giving a shout out to Delaney Gibb for this accomplishment. From a Canadian perspective her potential was overshadowed by the likes of Prosper, Swords, Fournier, Bascoe and Makeer during her highschool days.

No one is to blame for it as it was outside of her control. Part of the challenge for players from Alberta who opt not to move to Ontario to compete. Kudos to her for staying home. Really happy to see her thriving with BYU.

 

[packwrap]

I was looking at candidates to be USA team #8. Both Kansas State and TCU are likely culprits, if one or the other gets thru the conference with only one loss.

That team could even snare a #1 seed depending on what happens at top of SEC and Big10.

Kansas State has some nice pieces and looks good in ncaa team stats. Eager to see them in a big game.

 

[azfan]

Obviously I know nothing about what goes on at Arizona practices.

Neither do the players obviously. This is a combination of a coach being consistently unable to have her team perform and more importantly a shortcoming on the players' part and not being able to internalize coaching.

That said the dysfunction in the dirty t still generates better results than the absolute catastrophe and dumpster fire underway and supervised by the very nice coach from Delaware.

Both situations underscore the rarity of the convergence of excellence in coaching and excellence in player performance.

 

[azfan]

All on Thursday the four Arizona teams are on the road with a likely 2-2 split

Sun Devils should accelerate their descent into the basement Thursday in Lawrence. They're understandably a double digit dog. This game will symbolize the road to a third consecutive 20 loss season and I wonder why ESPN doesn't pick Adair and the Sun Devils for hard knocks.

More interesting game on Thursday will be the Lopes visiting Abilene Christian where they are a slight favorite. This road win both would extend the Lopes win streak but more importantly provide them some breathing room in their race to the top.

The Jacks travel to Sacramento and hope to rebound from a tough loss to Montana State at home which allows MSU the driver's seat for the Big Sky regular season title.

And in a battle of wildcats the kitties face a huge huge uphill battle against KSU in Manhattan. The successful wildcats have only the loss to Duke while the kitties, given their inability to internalize practice directions from their coach, have been consistently inconsistent in losing three of four. If the trembling team from the dirty t were to win it would be a much bigger upset than if Natasha Adair were able to work some magic in Lawrence.

All four games on ESPN Plus

Lopes when a close one

Jacks a toss up but I have my fingers crossed

Both Adair and Barnes coach losers and I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the Sun Devils get spanked harder.

 

[Plebe]

Neither do the players obviously. This is a combination of a coach being consistently unable to have her team perform and more importantly a shortcoming on the players' part and not being able to internalize coaching.

That said the dysfunction in the dirty t still generates better results than the absolute catastrophe and dumpster fire underway and supervised by the very nice coach from Delaware.

I'm immediately adding "Dysfunction in the dirty t" to my list of titles I'm considering for my next album or short story collection. Has a nice ring to it

 

[azfan]

I'm immediately adding "Dysfunction in the dirty t" to my list of titles I'm considering for my next album or short story collection. Has a nice ring to it

Love it!!!!

Funny, catchy, on point -the trifecta.

 

[Plebe]

Love it!!!!

Funny, catchy, on point -the trifecta.

I'll give you all the credit, rest assured

 

[YoDore]

Iowa State's 945-game streak of making a three-pointer ended in Tuesday's win over Texas Tech.

Iowa St. record 3-point streak ends at 945 games

Iowa State's women's basketball team failed to make a 3-pointer for the first time in 945 games, snapping its NCAA-record streak.

www.espn.com