Big 12 season thread ('24-'25)

[Baller29]

My favorite moment from this game was the extended Big 12 puff piece at halftime -- which of course featured the coaches of Houston, UCF and Arizona State talking about what a "gauntlet" the Big 12 is (that was Hughey) and how every opponent is basically a pro team (this was Adair's brilliance).

That'd be like asking Xavier to be the authority on what a great conference the Big East is.

Messer probably gonna be relieved of her job very soon, if not by the end of next year

 

[ISUnorth]

Since we are at least a few games into league play and have enough games in that the NET isn't totally skewed, here's the Big 12 rankings. I agree on the top six, they sort of align with polls and fan's eye test, but think all six are at least a little bit too high.

 

[ISUnorth]

ASU band get a hat tip from Audi Crooks.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

A relatively significant element (and challenge) in coaching.

Yes. The team played well for 3 quarters out of 4 against Baylor, and ok in overtime. In the second half they executed the game plan well based on the pre-game "chalk talk" we attended (Salvo Coppa was the coach). I wasn't upset with much this game, even the close loss, although there were 3 concerning items:

• Once again, Skyler Jones came off the bench. Unlike UCF where she played well, she was a disaster and off the floor in like a minute.
• On several plays, both defense and offense sides, they didn't execute the play Adia was calling or trying to call, leaving Adia visibly frustrated, which is rare.
• Jada Williams remains frustrated with her teammates, at times. I get they are apparently not in the right position . . . but she shouldn't show her annoyance. OTH, they should know where they should be.

One thing I always remember, as Viv talked a lot about it in the early years at Rutgers. That is, many decisions are based on practice. She always reminded us that players who want to start need to show that they are ready in practice. Obviously I know nothing about what goes on at Arizona practices.

 

[ISUnorth]

Not much going in the Big 12. Teams favored won other that WVU who lost at OSU. That should maybe get OSU some more votes in RV category and drop WVU some more, maybe down to 20 something. Baylor and Iowa State took care of business and won both their games in Arizona.

Utah has back to back tough road games at Baylor and TCU coming up. Not much else challenging for the ranked members the next week or so. Maybe ISU at WVU will be tough for WVU but it is in Morgantown.

 

[Baller29]

Not much going in the Big 12. Teams favored won other that WVU who lost at OSU. That should maybe get OSU some more votes in RV category and drop WVU some more, maybe down to 20 something. Baylor and Iowa State took care of business and won both their games in Arizona.

Utah has back to back tough road games at Baylor and TCU coming up. Not much else challenging for the ranked members the next week or so. Maybe ISU at WVU will be tough for WVU but it is in Morgantown.

Yall think Messer gets fired or next year her last year?

 

[ISUnorth]

Yall think Messer gets fired or next year her last year?

No opinion.

I only even knew what UCF was prior to them joining the Big 12 because Iowan and former ISU assistant Katie Abrahamson-Henderson coached them. Only knew that because a handful of ISU fans are obsessed with tracking the career of every assistant that spent time coaching in Ames, like Brenda Frese who was a Cyclone assistant decades ago. We don't track former HC's because Fennelly has been in Ames for like 50 years. Katie and Brenda were assistants together at ISU but it was 25 years ago so pretty irrelevant.

 

[cancontent]

Giving a shout out to Delaney Gibb for this accomplishment. From a Canadian perspective her potential was overshadowed by the likes of Prosper, Swords, Fournier, Bascoe and Makeer during her highschool days.

No one is to blame for it as it was outside of her control. Part of the challenge for players from Alberta who opt not to move to Ontario to compete. Kudos to her for staying home. Really happy to see her thriving with BYU.

 

[packwrap]

I was looking at candidates to be USA team #8. Both Kansas State and TCU are likely culprits, if one or the other gets thru the conference with only one loss.

That team could even snare a #1 seed depending on what happens at top of SEC and Big10.

Kansas State has some nice pieces and looks good in ncaa team stats. Eager to see them in a big game.

 

[azfan]

Obviously I know nothing about what goes on at Arizona practices.

Neither do the players obviously. This is a combination of a coach being consistently unable to have her team perform and more importantly a shortcoming on the players' part and not being able to internalize coaching.

That said the dysfunction in the dirty t still generates better results than the absolute catastrophe and dumpster fire underway and supervised by the very nice coach from Delaware.

Both situations underscore the rarity of the convergence of excellence in coaching and excellence in player performance.

 

[Plebe]

Neither do the players obviously. This is a combination of a coach being consistently unable to have her team perform and more importantly a shortcoming on the players' part and not being able to internalize coaching.

That said the dysfunction in the dirty t still generates better results than the absolute catastrophe and dumpster fire underway and supervised by the very nice coach from Delaware.

I'm immediately adding "Dysfunction in the dirty t" to my list of titles I'm considering for my next album or short story collection. Has a nice ring to it

 

[azfan]

I'm immediately adding "Dysfunction in the dirty t" to my list of titles I'm considering for my next album or short story collection. Has a nice ring to it

Love it!!!!

Funny, catchy, on point -the trifecta.

 

[Plebe]

Love it!!!!

Funny, catchy, on point -the trifecta.

I'll give you all the credit, rest assured

 

[YoDore]

Iowa State's 945-game streak of making a three-pointer ended in Tuesday's win over Texas Tech.

Iowa St. record 3-point streak ends at 945 games

Iowa State's women's basketball team failed to make a 3-pointer for the first time in 945 games, snapping its NCAA-record streak.

www.espn.com

 

[cancontent]

Iowa State's 945-game streak of making a three-pointer ended in Tuesday's win over Texas Tech.

Iowa St. record 3-point streak ends at 945 games

Iowa State's women's basketball team failed to make a 3-pointer for the first time in 945 games, snapping its NCAA-record streak.

www.espn.com

The idea of ISU not making a three pointer is a concept that is hard to compute. Wow.

 

[12au]

Sun Devils should accelerate their descent into the basement Thursday in Lawrence. They're understandably a double digit dog. This game will symbolize the road to a third consecutive 20 loss season and I wonder why ESPN doesn't pick Adair and the Sun Devils for hard knocks.

Both teams will likely be shorthanded. Fauntleroy serving 1-game suspension for the ejection against Baylor, and Nichols probably out w/ a back injury suffered against Colorado. Someone's going to have to step up for Kansas, if Nichols can't go.

 

[YoDore]

The idea of ISU not making a three pointer is a concept that is hard to compute. Wow.

I agree. Coach Fennelly pointed out they only attempted seven, and of those, only two came as a result of a play designed for a three pointer. I had the game on for much of the second half, but I wasn't paying close attention, so I wasn't aware of the situation. I'm a big ISU fan simply because I so enjoyed watching Crooks and Brown as freshmen last year, and I like the team's style of play. The team had a spark last year that I found intriguing, but it seems to have been muted somehow this season. It could be my imagination, but something seems to be missing this year. Maybe a Cyclone fan could chime in to tell me whether I'm right.

 

[12au]

The team had a spark last year that I found intriguing, but it seems to have been muted somehow this season. It could be my imagination, but something seems to be missing this year. Maybe a Cyclone fan could chime in to tell me whether I'm right.

I haven't watched them a ton, but some things can be gleaned from stats. In 3PA they've went from 54th to 24th. In 3P% they've gone from 6th to 57th. So they're shooting more threes and making them at a worse rate. In fouls they've went from 46th to 222nd. So they're fouling more.

Last year
This year

Their main losses were Belanger and Diew. And I guess it's possible worse production is coming from whoever got Bristow's minutes.

 

[azfan]

Both teams will likely be shorthanded. Fauntleroy serving 1-game suspension for the ejection against Baylor, and Nichols probably out w/ a back injury suffered against Colorado. Someone's going to have to step up for Kansas, if Nichols can't go.

Ice Brady has also been challenged with injuries for the Sun Devils. That said a depleted KU squad would have no difficulty against a full strength Sun Devil team. KU coaching staff has prepared for the confused, disoriented, fouling defense that Adair tolerates which may be a part of the reason why the nice coach from Delaware's team is a double-digit dog on the road.

In the 19 point loss at home to the Bears, ASU scored 59 on 37% shooting. 6'7 Kennedy Bascom had two rebounds, two points and two 3 points attempts. Ice played and she and Ty had 33 of the Devils 62 attempts from the field. The Bears destroyed ASU on the boards.

I'm guessing Ty Skinner puts up 30 to 32 shots, the two bigs for the Devils should combine for six rebounds and perhaps six three point attempts (one make) and depending on officiating the entire Sun Devil team may foul out before the end of the third quarter.


It's long long odds the Sun Devils will be in this game by the second half and if some sort of bizarre upset occurs the folks in Lawrence should be understandably upset and we may see a burning Kansas situation.

 

[GoChips20]

I haven't watched them a ton, but some things can be gleaned from stats. In 3PA they've went from 54th to 24th. In 3P% they've gone from 6th to 57th. So they're shooting more threes and making them at a worse rate. In fouls they've went from 46th to 222nd. So they're fouling more.

Last year
This year

Their main losses were Belanger and Diew. And I guess it's possible worse production is coming from whoever got Bristow's minutes.

Going into the season I thought ISU could lead the nation in three-point percentage with Brown, Hare, Hansford, Harris, and Joens on the roster. They lost Hare but that’s only one reason the shooting has been lost. It’s been a little puzzling to see. Fennelly doesn’t seem to know how to use his talent this year.

 

[ISUnorth]

I agree. Coach Fennelly pointed out they only attempted seven, and of those, only two came as a result of a play designed for a three pointer. I had the game on for much of the second half, but I wasn't paying close attention, so I wasn't aware of the situation. I'm a big ISU fan simply because I so enjoyed watching Crooks and Brown as freshmen last year, and I like the team's style of play. The team had a spark last year that I found intriguing, but it seems to have been muted somehow this season. It could be my imagination, but something seems to be missing this year. Maybe a Cyclone fan could chime in to tell me whether I'm right.

Yeah, something is just "off". Maybe they can find the mojo they had at the end of last year but they have looked curiously "checked out" in some games. Doesn't help that PG Emily Ryan is on restricted minutes and right now that seems to be at about 24 minutes a game. I some games the team looks lost with her on the bench. Usually they are top in the league in free-throw % and three % but this year they are just average.

 

[azfan]

Sunflower State not very welcoming for the Arizona schools.

Beginning with intrepid Sun Devils under the leadership of their nice coach. Adair leads her team to a 25 -point loss as the Sun Devils have more turnovers (20) and more personal fouls (19) than made field goals 18. So while I realize that Houston and UCF are horrible by any number of metrics the team from Tempe is in their strata. If as you loses by 25 to KU, I wonder how bad the KSU score will be?

KSU had fun playing with the kitties although the kitties had no fun. Where to start? Well Cunningham fouled out again after making 4 shots. She and her mates really did a good job on Lee however. Will Barnes' team have any better luck against KU,?

 

[nwhoopfan]

Sunflower State not very welcoming for the Arizona schools.

Beginning with intrepid Sun Devils under the leadership of their nice coach. Adair leads her team to a 25 -point loss as the Sun Devils have more turnovers (20) and more personal fouls (19) than made field goals 18. So while I realize that Houston and UCF are horrible by any number of metrics the team from Tempe is in their strata.

KSU had fun playing with the kitties although the kitties had no fun. Where to start? Well Cunningham fouled out again after making 4 shots. She and her mates really did a good job on Lee however. And it's really no shame to lose by 15 on the road to the Jayhawks...rock, chalk

You've got your Kansas schools mixed up.

 

[azfan]

You've got your Kansas schools mixed up.

Hard to keep them straight..... Maybe it's because my brother was born in Topeka. Who knows.... KSU is real good right? KU is just good enough to whoop the heck up ASU? Or is it the other way around. I don't think it matters cuz I don't think either Arizona school can beat either Kansas School

 

[nwhoopfan]

Hard to keep them straight..... Maybe it's because my brother was born in Topeka. Who knows.... KSU is real good right? KU is just good enough to whoop the heck up ASU? Or is it the other way around. I don't think it matters cuz I don't think either Arizona school can beat either Kansas School

Kansas St. is the better team. Probably the odds on favorite to win the Big 12. The rock, chalk thing is KU. You'd get some really dirty looks if you said something about that if you were in Manhattan, KS.