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Big 12 Pushing For UConn Part Deux!

Exit 4 said:
Your list?
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Are you trying to justify your non-stop trashing on UConn on this board? You didn't go there, did you? I bet you just post here because it is an active board overall and you like to talk realignment.

Based on the fact that you are condescending without being that bright, you probably went to Fairfield U. Am I right?
 
GoKU said:
It's not UConn as much as the perception of adding only G5. I know you guys don't want to hear that stuff, but it's reality. That's why UConn pairing with a PAC school matters so much. It shouldn't but it does.
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Sounds like you're describing a follower not a leader. An ounce of image is worth a pound of performance guy. Yormack doesn't strike me as a follower. Hurley doesn't strike me as a follower. Mora doesn't strike me as a follower. Calhoun wasn't a follower. Auriemma isn't a follower.

We've had enough followers. We've seen how they ruin things. The real question is is UConn the institution a leader or a follower. That's what Yormack wants to see. That's what the Big12 want to see. Not how much we're putting into the budget for football, but why we're putting that much into the budget. They want to know what the school's goals are and how a football budget advances those goals. If UConn can't/won't/doesn't articulate those reasons, they aren't a good fit for P5. It's a signal they're followers.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Just saying something like "football drives the bus" is true because it is conventional wisdom does not mean it is true. Other than Nebraska to the Big 10 and Virginia Tech to the ACC, I can't think of a single conference move that occurred in the last 30 plus years that happened because of football. Virtually all conference moves occurred because of TV markets. That is why the SEC added dry wells like South Carolina, Arkansas, and Missouri, and the Big 10 added Rutgers and Maryland. Neither league cared whether any of those programs was ever any good, which is a good thing for the Big 10 and SEC, because all five programs have sucked for the most part in their new leagues.
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Of those schools:
  • Arkansas Football was ranked at some point in the season in its 7 straight years prior to joining the SEC in 1992.
  • South Carolina was ranked at some point in the season in 6 of 8 years prior to joining the SEC in 1992.
  • Missouri was ranked at some point in the season in 8 of 9 years prior to joining the SEC in 2012.
  • Maryland was ranked at some point in the season in 8 of 13 years prior to joining the BIG in 2014.
By far the weakest is Rutgers - a famous cable box addition- but still had manage to win more than not in the years prior to landing at the B1G.
  • Rutgers was ranked at some point in the season in 4 of 8 years prior to joining the BIG in 2014. During that time they also had won at least 8 games in 6 of those 8 seasons and had just two sub 500 seasons in that period.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Are you trying to justify your non-stop trashing on UConn on this board? You didn't go there, did you? I bet you just post here because it is an active board overall and you like to talk realignment.

Based on the fact that you are condescending without being that bright, you probably went to Fairfield U. Am I right?
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You are unhinged!!!!

Yes its clear in my 36k posts I hate UConn.

Never seen a poster so comfortable with willful blindness.

Not a Fairfield grad...not even from CT.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Are you trying to justify your non-stop trashing on UConn on this board? You didn't go there, did you? I bet you just post here because it is an active board overall and you like to talk realignment.

Based on the fact that you are condescending without being that bright, you probably went to Fairfield U. Am I right?
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Are you ok...?
 
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Exit 4 said:
You are unhinged!!!!

Yes its clear in my 36k posts I hate UConn.

Never seen a poster so comfortable with willful blindness.

Not a Fairfield grad...not even from CT.
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He's a troll off his meds. Just disengage.
 
Exit 4 said:
Of those schools:
  • Arkansas Football was ranked at some point in the season in its 7 straight years prior to joining the SEC in 1992.
  • South Carolina was ranked at some point in the season in 6 of 8 years prior to joining the SEC in 1992.
  • Missouri was ranked at some point in the season in 8 of 9 years prior to joining the SEC in 2012.
  • Maryland was ranked at some point in the season in 8 of 13 years prior to joining the BIG in 2014.
By far the weakest is Rutgers - a famous cable box addition- but still had manage to win more than not in the years prior to landing at the B1G.
  • Rutgers was ranked at some point in the season in 4 of 8 years prior to joining the BIG in 2014. During that time they also had won at least 8 games in 6 of those 8 seasons and had just two sub 500 seasons in that period.
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You are arguing that because a school cracked some ranking once in a year, it is a powerhouse program? Arkansas has had 7 winning seasons in 31 years in the SEC. Missouri has had 2 in 11 years, and South Carolina has had 8 in 31 years in the SEC. Saying Arkansas, Missouri and South Carolina are not football powerhouses is not a controversial statement.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
You are arguing that because a school cracked some ranking once in a year, it is a powerhouse program? Arkansas has had 7 winning seasons in 31 years in the SEC. Missouri has had 2 in 11 years, and South Carolina has had 8 in 31 years in the SEC. Saying Arkansas, Missouri and South Carolina are not football powerhouses is not a controversial statement.
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We are talking about what the programs were before stepping up to SEC and B1G football. What these programs were as power conference candidates. Once they got inside their conferences reality hit. Once inside not everyone can be a winner by rule of simple math.

Of your examples, only Rutty stands up as historically bad at football. And even Rutty managed to get off the floor in that decade prior to the invite. We all know Rutty was blessed by the cable box gods.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Just saying something like "football drives the bus" is true because it is conventional wisdom does not mean it is true. Other than Nebraska to the Big 10 and Virginia Tech to the ACC, I can't think of a single conference move that occurred in the last 30 plus years that happened because of football. Virtually all conference moves occurred because of TV markets. That is why the SEC added dry wells like South Carolina, Arkansas, and Missouri, and the Big 10 added Rutgers and Maryland. Neither league cared whether any of those programs was ever any good, which is a good thing for the Big 10 and SEC, because all five programs have sucked for the most part in their new leagues.
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You've now said something I agree with. Yes, a lot of the moves occurred in whole or material part because of TV markets. Putting aside the "we get NY with UConn" argument (which is not totally false but is totally false when it comes to football, which drives cable box numbers anyway), as you yourself keep (correctly) saying the future is not cable boxes but eyeballs. Our eyeballs in football is very low. If it wasn't, someone would have paid us more than CBS Sports for our games.
 
businesslawyer said:
You've now said something I agree with. Yes, a lot of the moves occurred in whole or material part because of TV markets. Putting aside the "we get NY with UConn" argument (which is not totally false but is totally false when it comes to football, which drives cable box numbers anyway), as you yourself keep (correctly) saying the future is not cable boxes but eyeballs. Our eyeballs in football is very low. If it wasn't, someone would have paid us more than CBS Sports for our games.
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College sports are regional, and the market will be fragmenting even more. UConn football is not a prestige property. I think we all get that. But UConn is a flagship state school in a wealthy state that will never have a pro team. In a post cable box world, that is at least interesting to potential conferences.

I also think that the conferences are going to seriously re-evaluate their revenue sharing because I do not think the Big 10's revenue streams are sustainable for long if they can't get paid for boxes that don't watch football.
 
businesslawyer said:
Our eyeballs in football is very low. If it wasn't, someone would have paid us more than CBS Sports for our games.
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As I said to you on one other occasion, a decade of unadulterated suck will do that.

Regarding the fact that we have a broadcast deal for all of our home games notwithstanding the fact that we are an independent speaks pretty well for the brand.

I think we're going to see attendance pick up, it already appears to be looking pretty good for NC State, and television ratings to increase. If we can manage not to suck, attendance will rise and viewers will come.
 
CL82 said:
As I said to you on one other occasion, a decade of unadulterated suck will do that.

Regarding the fact that we have a broadcast deal for all of our home games notwithstanding the fact that we are an independent speaks pretty well for the brand.

I think we're going to see attendance pick up, it already appears to be looking pretty good for NC State, and television ratings to increase. If we can manage not to suck, attendance will rise and viewers will come.
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Its one thing to be bad, but what happened during RE 2.0 was simply unbelievable. We went a pass break up in the endzone against Yale at the horn to keep from going 0-2, against FCS in 1 season. It really did LOOK like the goal was to shut it down.
 
UCF and Houston are in very good recruiting areas and Cincinnati is decent recruiting area as well. BYU has a good football history, 68,000 fans and a national Mormon following. Those four schools easily trump us in football.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Just saying something like "football drives the bus" is true because it is conventional wisdom does not mean it is true. Other than Nebraska to the Big 10 and Virginia Tech to the ACC, I can't think of a single conference move that occurred in the last 30 plus years that happened because of football. Virtually all conference moves occurred because of TV markets. That is why the SEC added dry wells like South Carolina, Arkansas, and Missouri, and the Big 10 added Rutgers and Maryland. Neither league cared whether any of those programs was ever any good, which is a good thing for the Big 10 and SEC, because all five programs have sucked for the most part in their new leagues.
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And that’s our problem, we don’t bring a big tv market. Nobody in Boston or NYC cares about us.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Just saying something like "football drives the bus" is true because it is conventional wisdom does not mean it is true. Other than Nebraska to the Big 10 and Virginia Tech to the ACC, I can't think of a single conference move that occurred in the last 30 plus years that happened because of football. Virtually all conference moves occurred because of TV markets. That is why the SEC added dry wells like South Carolina, Arkansas, and Missouri, and the Big 10 added Rutgers and Maryland. Neither league cared whether any of those programs was ever any good, which is a good thing for the Big 10 and SEC, because all five programs have sucked for the most part in their new leagues.
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Easy, 3 of the last 4 are for football. Yes, 2 of them (USC and Texas) are in huge states, but Oklahoma is not. They were taken for football reasons. The SEC was already into Texas cable boxes with TAMU. Yes, the previous round was about cable boxes, but that’s the anomaly.

This is just a crazy argument. Teams are taken for viewership. 3 of the schools that are moving in ‘24 are traditional football powers. They draw eyes on screens. Football games between traditional programs draw huge ratings. That’s why at the current time football drives the bus.
 
NE Football said:
And that’s our problem, we don’t bring a big tv market. Nobody in Boston or NYC cares about us.
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And Houston and Cincinnati do? I know a lot of guys from Houston, not one of them cares about Houston Cougars sports. Everyone in Ohio is Ohio State fans unless they went to another Big 10 school and some of them are still Ohio State fans.
 
This is all bs. UConn is well supported. We aren’t Michigan or LSU, but we compare very favorably with most of the P5 by any measure. We win tons of bball titles, most of them don’t win any. So, despite our football being weak at the moment (it’s clearly improving) at least we are elite at two sports. Most P5 schools do nothing, in any sport. The measure to be P5 isn’t if we can generate $60,000,000 on our own or if we win titles in football. That measure only works for about 10 schools in the whole country. We don’t need to be Texas or Alabama to be of value. We need to offer good content in multiple sports, have a captive audience in a fairly large market and be of decent enough academic stature. We offer that in spades.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Just saying something like "football drives the bus" is true because it is conventional wisdom does not mean it is true. Other than Nebraska to the Big 10 and Virginia Tech to the ACC, I can't think of a single conference move that occurred in the last 30 plus years that happened because of football. Virtually all conference moves occurred because of TV markets. That is why the SEC added dry wells like South Carolina, Arkansas, and Missouri, and the Big 10 added Rutgers and Maryland. Neither league cared whether any of those programs was ever any good, which is a good thing for the Big 10 and SEC, because all five programs have sucked for the most part in their new leagues.
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I guess I would argue that West Virginia and Louisville were football moves instead of Market Moves.
 
superjohn said:
And Houston and Cincinnati do? I know a lot of guys from Houston, not one of them cares about Houston Cougars sports. Everyone in Ohio is Ohio State fans unless they went to another Big 10 school and some of them are still Ohio State fans.
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Cincy got the Cinderella treatment. People wanted to see if they could upset the status quo. It was a great story and people tuned in.

It definitely provided Cincy with national visibility.
 
I keep seeing references to coach Sanders as the reason for targeting Colorado to big 12. Sure, he’s a national figure and gets media attention. But he could be gone in two years.

Same with Mora, not that I want that. And he’s actually changed UConn’s trajectory after 1 season.

I think having a big name coach is window dressing in CR. Don’t buy that it’s a meaningful variable in CR decisions. You just have to have a coach that can run a competitive program and show improvement year over year.

Where it matters is sticking with dead end coach for years and not investing in new coach and staff. If RE were still coach, this discussion isn’t happening
 
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