Big 12 Pushing For UConn Part Deux!

[superjohn]

The most well connected Big 12 writer from the Oklahoman seconds my beliefs that church league members like UConn simply do not move the needle and have no support from the universities.

Geezus, less is more...

You made one funny church league comment months ago and now you're blasting all the boards with it over and over again. Get some new material because this ain't it.

 

[CL82]

The most well connected Big 12 writer from the Oklahoman seconds my beliefs that church league members like UConn simply do not move the needle and have no support from the universities.

Lol, after picking up four schools off the day-old bread rack, Yormark probably feels like he needs to add a little more star power to the league. what are you guys getting paid again? $.50 on the dollar, $.10 on the dollar? Well, it was nice the rest of the league scrounged around the couch cushions and found a little something to give you.

 

[UC1995]

We would revive the ACC's northern half in both FB and BB by way more than we would boost any other conference. It's negligent that they haven't made a strong offer this off season. BC, Pitt, and Cuse games would actually be attractive to media partners again. The ACC tournament in NYC would actually outdraw the BET. The ACC could split N/S for FB and make the southern FB schools happy be giving them an extra OOC game by going to an 8 game conference schedule. Even ND would like it. UConn would take less from the ACC than it would from the B12.

ACC is not taking us for a long time if ever. They have no monetary reason to and to many of those schools would object because they know we would pass them quickly.

Also why leave money on the table until the GOR ends for ACC. They are not expanding until then and only when they are dismantled. When the GOR ends we can reevaluate but I think what you find left will be a skeleton carcass of a conference.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

With addition of Colorado and UConn, B12 will have 4 state flagship universities in UConn, Colorado, Kansas, and West Virginia. These are UConn's peers at the state level.

Cincy will always be the second rated school in the state of Ohio.

 

[noeynox]

We would revive the ACC's northern half in both FB and BB by way more than we would boost any other conference. It's negligent that they haven't made a strong offer this off season. BC, Pitt, and Cuse games would actually be attractive to media partners again. The ACC tournament in NYC would actually outdraw the BET. The ACC could split N/S for FB and make the southern FB schools happy be giving them an extra OOC game by going to an 8 game conference schedule. Even ND would like it. UConn would take less from the ACC than it would from the B12.

There has been nothing keeping the ACC from inviting us for a almost a dozen years. They have pro-rata in their contract for any addition. Sometimes you have to face the fact she's just not that into you.

 

[Ldandy]

We would revive the ACC's northern half in both FB and BB by way more than we would boost any other conference. It's negligent that they haven't made a strong offer this off season. BC, Pitt, and Cuse games would actually be attractive to media partners again. The ACC tournament in NYC would actually outdraw the BET. The ACC could split N/S for FB and make the southern FB schools happy be giving them an extra OOC game by going to an 8 game conference schedule. Even ND would like it. UConn would take less from the ACC than it would from the B12.

Man F *** that ACC Noise. The Big 12 is out there making moves for the future. Focus your energies on that.The ACC is just biding its time until it can disband. They don’t want UConn now, and if they ever do in the future it will because they need you more than you need them. Some of you guys need to move on because they did long ago.

 

[kobe]

Lol, after picking up four schools off the day-old bread rack, Yormark probably feels like he needs to add a little more star power to the league. what are you guys getting paid again? $.50 on the dollar, $.10 on the dollar? Well, it was nice the rest of the league scrounged around the couch cushions and found a little something to give you.

will be praying for you tomorrow in church.

cincinnati will be receiving a full share in ‘25 which will be nearly quadruple the church league and are a very important add to the big 12.

numbers don’t lie and everyone can see how poorly rated any big east game is on fox. doesn’t bode well for future tv negotiations.

reality is slowing setting among the mid majors that they are so far behind and will never catch up, this is why uconn media members and boosters are talking to any one who will listen trying to convince themselves that the big 12 is interested in them.

again, prayers to you and your family. you will need it.

 

[NH Husky]

With addition of Colorado and UConn, B12 will have 4 state flagship universities in UConn, Colorado, Kansas, and West Virginia. These are UConn's peers at the state level.

Cincy will always be the second rated school in the state of Ohio.

Right there with Toledo, Dayton, Cleveland State, and Miami of Ohio

 

[TheCatsLair]

Right there with Toledo, Dayton, Cleveland State, and Miami of Ohio

Yet none of those schools have played in a NY6, CFP nor are in a P5. Cincinnati is in no different of a position in-state than a Michigan State. Also, ignore kobe the guy is clearly a troll.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Yet none of those schools have played in a NY6, CFP nor are in a P5. Cincinnati is in no different of a position in-state than a Michigan State. Also, ignore kobe the guy is clearly a troll.

I think there's a bit of a difference. I'd wager a good portion (at least 20%) of Cincinnati's student body are Buckeye fans, not even closet ones.

 

[Greedo]

will be praying for you tomorrow in church.

cincinnati will be receiving a full share in ‘25 which will be nearly quadruple the church league and are a very important add to the big 12.

numbers don’t lie and everyone can see how poorly rated any big east game is on fox. doesn’t bode well for future tv negotiations.

reality is slowing setting among the mid majors that they are so far behind and will never catch up, this is why uconn media members and boosters are talking to any one who will listen trying to convince themselves that the big 12 is interested in them.

again, prayers to you and your family. you will need it.

What are Cincy’s TV ratings?

 

[Waquoit]

What are Cincy’s TV ratings?

 

[NEforceUConn]

What’s desperate is if this invite ever does come,and I’m definitely not holding my breath, and then we have to eat our hat with a cut rate deal for 5 -10 years , that all your media dollar prognostications that are made in these threads are going to look hilarious. Because if ( and again, that’s a huge IF) it does come I would lay serious odds that it isn’t as a full share member. And then you all be saying “ well 17 million is better , we’ve got to take it”. Lulz.

 

[noeynox]

What’s desperate is if this invite ever does come,and I’m definitely not holding my breath, and then we have to eat our hat with a cut rate deal for 5 -10 years , that all your media dollar prognostications that are made in these threads are going to look hilarious. Because if ( and again, that’s a huge IF) it does come I would lay serious odds that it isn’t as a full share member. And then you all be saying “ well 17 million is better , we’ve got to take it”. Lulz.

But is 17 million not better than 4.5? They will have to likely scale in to a full share. Still better than anything than will ever come from the BE, but i too remain not convinced that offer is ever coming. It leaked too early for nothing to have happened already.

 

[UConn Dan]

But is 17 million not better than 4.5? They will have to likely scale in to a full share. Still better than anything than will ever come from the BE, but i too remain not convinced that offer is ever coming. It leaked too early for nothing to have happened already.

Yormark isn’t going to announce the additions piecemeal. He’s waiting on Colorado and Colorado is waiting on the PAC to present the media numbers first. Colorado doesn’t want to look like the bad guys that would’ve given the pac a crappier deal. The crappy deal will give Colorado an out.

If for some reason Colorado stays in the pac I think there’s a good shot that Yorkmark will pull the trigger and add UConn solo to take us off the table.

 

[jostar1]

But is 17 million not better than 4.5? They will have to likely scale in to a full share. Still better than anything than will ever come from the BE, but i too remain not convinced that offer is ever coming. It leaked too early for nothing to have happened already.

I'm listening to a YouTube video now where they are saying that the PAC media deal won't be announced until after the football season has started. Meanwhile, the BYU AD said that the expansion window will close once the football season starts. The PAC is really screwing it up for us.

 

[jostar1]

Yormark isn’t going to announce the additions piecemeal. He’s waiting on Colorado and Colorado is waiting on the PAC to present the media numbers first. Colorado doesn’t want to look like the bad guys that would’ve given the pac a crappier deal. The crappy deal will give Colorado an out.

If for some reason Colorado stays in the pac I think there’s a good shot that Yorkmark will pull the trigger and add UConn solo to take us off the table.

Have to hope that this is the scenario.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

I'm listening to a YouTube video now where they are saying that the PAC media deal won't be announced until after the football season has started. Meanwhile, the BYU AD said that the expansion window will close once the football season starts. The PAC is really screwing it up for us.

At least we don't have to get out of a fb conference, so in the scenario that we are chosen and go all by ourselves it is easier to pull off timing wise. That said, I don't think we go alone.

 

[Bongo Fury]

It would be nice of them to take UConn solo but don’t think there is a threat of them going elsewhere.

 

[pj]

I generally agree but am I miss remembering a Georgetown series while we were in the AAC?

If I had to rank “rivals” I’d say:
Syracuse
Villanova
Georgetown

Wherever we go we’ll make new ones.

1. Kansas.
2. Baylor.

 

[CL82]

I'm listening to a YouTube video now where they are saying that the PAC media deal won't be announced until after the football season has started. Meanwhile, the BYU AD said that the expansion window will close once the football season starts. The PAC is really screwing it up for us.

It appears that delay is the best tool in the toolbox for them. Eventually, they'll have to announce whatever media deal they cobble together and then I suspect all the delay and misinformation will be costly to them. But in the near term, they have been successful in keeping everything on hold.

 

[CL82]

At least we don't have to get out of a fb conference, so in the scenario that we are chosen and go all by ourselves it is easier to pull off timing wise. That said, I don't think we go alone.

There's a rumor floating around out there that football would go in 2024 and basketball whenever we can get clear of the Big East. In many ways, that's the best of all possible worlds for us.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

It appears that delay is the best tool in the toolbox for them. Eventually, they'll have to announce whatever media deal they cobble together and then I suspect all the delay and misinformation will be costly to them. But in the near term, they have been successful in keeping everything on hold.

I think it'll be like the old school game Kerplunk. If one or two schools depart, it will likely hold together but if the third goes without a backfill quickly the whole thing will come tumbling down.

 

[pj]

What moves your needle?

Texas, Oklahoma, USC, and UCLA.

 

[CL82]

I think it'll be like the old school game Kerplunk. If one or two schools depart, it will likely hold together but if the third goes without a backfill quickly the whole thing will come tumbling down.

Perfect analogy for those of us old enough to remember that game.

 

[Ldandy]

What are Cincy’s TV ratings?

55th out of 119. Yep, definitely on MSU's Level.

 

[UCONNRPh]

There's a rumor floating around out there that football would go in 2024 and basketball whenever we can get clear of the Big East. In many ways, that's the best of all possible worlds for us.

I don't see them even being interested if we are minus basketball for a short time

 

[FfldCntyFan]

It appears that delay is the best tool in the toolbox for them. Eventually, they'll have to announce whatever media deal they cobble together and then I suspect all the delay and misinformation will be costly to them. But in the near term, they have been successful in keeping everything on hold.

Yeah, that's an interesting strategy by the P-12; if they don't get a TV deal, nobody will leave. It's kind of like in No Time for Sergeants when the father of Andy Griffith's character kept throwing away letters from the draft board thinking if they didn't open them, his son wouldn't get drafted.

At some point, soon (at worst a couple weeks after their football media day) something has to be announced. They cannot go on without some media agreement and at some point member schools are going to either demand answers or look elsewhere. Sadly, this delay could cause more chaos than we would like and hurt us on many levels. If half (or more) of the remaining P-12 is on the open market the rush to the B-12 could resemble the California gold rush. Additionally (with the BE being our permanent home if this happens), if a conference like the P-12 couldn't get a fair media deal, who's to say the BE won't also get low balled when the next contract is negotiated. Our largest problem there would be that half the conference would be satisfied with a cut raate deal.

 

[XOVERX]

With the notable exception of Rutgers (Rutgers got lucky), I don’t see the B1G or SEC adding any school in need of football development, like UConn, assuming those two apex conferences intend to grow to 20, or, possibly, to 24 schools.

Nonetheless, is there a path UConn might position itself in to someday rate the B1G or the SEC? I think yes, maybe so. It is a longer-shot scenario, but nonetheless a possible future, increasingly discussed.

More specifically, from the pov of UConn, UConn needs to position itself to become indispensable for the B1G or SEC if a mythical “NCAA breakaway” causes those two P2 conferences to move to 27, or, possibly, 32. A breakaway magnifies the value of basketball, with which UConn is blessed abundantly.

Before the future breakaway (assuming it happens), I think UConn could mature it’s football (and infrastructure) in the right football developmental league into an attractive candidate for the B1G or SEC. Here’s why:

1) UConn is located squarely in the middle of the NE Corridor, sitting right there between NYC and Boston. Recall that Delaney always dreamed of the B1G owning the NE Corridor. Can any league control the NE Corridor without UConn?
2) UCon is a public university, not a private university (like BC). UConn will therefore be likely to have greater future revenue projection than most private football universities.
3) There is no other public university north of Maryland (to include Boston) to compete with UConn. I’m thinking UMass cannot develop more quickly than can UConn.

So, what are UConn’s realistic options?

The B12 and the ACC seem to be the only eastern, or near eastern, “major developmental football leagues” going into the future. I include the ACC as a “developmental football league” only because it seems inevitable today that the ACC will get picked over no later than 2033-34, perhaps much earlier, but certainly long before 2036. IOW, also long before a “breakaway” will likely occur.

The obvious football developmental league for UConn is the ACC, right? For the nearer term, should UConn be hoping for an ACC invitation? Maybe. Then again, maybe not.

To divine the best path forward, we need to think about the B1G and SEC viz-a-viz the ACC and the PAC.

If either or both of the B1G and SEC expand 20 or 24 schools, those additions will come from, best I can tell, ND, the PAC, or the ACC, which leaves out UConn.

We’ve all read rumblings from all 3 of ND (they want a $70m+ TV deal), the PAC (much uncertainty over no TV deal), and the ACC (much uncertainty over their TV deal).

TV, TV, TV -> viewers, viewers, viewers -> population, population, population. Population is up UConn’s alley.

I don’t think the SEC has interest in any PTZ or MTZ schools, best I can tell, but, obviously, the PAC has such western interest. IMO, the B1G will be forced to look west again to add at least two additional PAC schools, due to USCLA [soon to be] crying for a couple of additional western outposts for USCLA Olympic sports.

Luckily for USCLA, Washington has excellent TV value, as does Oregon, and, to a lesser extent, Utah. Why wouldn’t the B1G want to own the majority of West Coast college football TV viewers?

For UConn, the B1G’s west coast needs are important to consider with respect to UConn’s prospects as a member of the ACC, especially if UConn somehow eschews a possible future B12 offer.

Can we all agree the ACC has problems - serious problems - with its membership? Clemson and FSU, ringleaders of the “Unhappy Mag7”, seem like they would bail on the ACC immediately if they can successfully manipulate the rocks and shoals of the GOR, right? The SEC would take them both, no questions asked, and possibly the B1G would, too.

If the ACC gets around the GOR, I could see both the B1G and the SEC being willing to take in some combination of Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, UVA, VT, NCSU, and possibly GT, Duke, and Pitt, but, if UConn were suddenly in the ACC, probably not UConn (although I could be wrong - I’m only guessing).

The B1G could accept 2-6 ACC schools, but not 8, due to remaining western expansion (and the SEC will be taking ACC schools, too). The SEC, being fully oriented to the east, could take up to 8 ACC schools (but I think the SEC would stop at 4 or 5 ACC schools).

IOW, the heart of the ACC may well be ripped out by the B1G and the SEC once the ACC cracks open, which seems sooner rather than later.

The point is that if the ACC is picked over by both the B1G and the SEC, which seems likely, the B12 over the ACC might be a better football choice regardless of timing - and certainly a more stable choice - for UConn, within which to await a breakaway.

While I understand that the majority of UConn posters on this site seem to favor accepting a B12 offer if one comes - and no B12 offer has been extended, I get it - I guess this post, in the end, is just another “I concur” opinion coming from a long-time reader of this board (albeit not a UConn guy).

So, the ACC? UConn? Maybe a mistake? The B12? UConn? I concur.

 

[jostar1]

I don't see them even being interested if we are minus basketball for a short time

Conferences want new additions to get up to speed quickly. Adding UConn football first would be one way to do it.

And it seems like it would fit in well with UConn's TV deal which expires this year.

"UConn on Monday announced an agreement with CBS Sports Network, which will carry four home games in the upcoming 2020 season — if there is one — and every home game through 2023. The four-year deal comes with a pair of two-year network options that could push the agreement to eight years, through the 2027 season".