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That’s the spirit!
The B12 is a better BB conference than the BE. I think we’ll be fine. Also, I think Hurley and his recruiting might have a thing or 2 to do with that.Because we win national championships in the Big East. I really don’t want to become Pitt, Syracuse, or BC, even if they get football money.
Good point, and to that point I personally guarantee we will not hire Jim Boeheim, Jeff Capel or whoever BC has as their head coach when we join the B12.Because we win national championships in the Big East. I really don’t want to become Pitt, Syracuse, or BC, even if they get football money.
True, at least as good as the BE w/ KU, Baylor, Tex Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston, K State, WV, Cincy (maybe Arizona). And top to bottom, better than the ACC with a much a better future outlook.The B12 is a better BB conference than the BE. I think we’ll be fine. Also, I think Hurley and his recruiting might have a thing or 2 to do with that.
Correct $50 million all in per year for each big 12 school.Two wonderings…
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Reports: Big 12 reaches new media rights deal with ESPN, Fox worth more than $2 billion
The Big 12 has reportedly reached a six-year extension with ESPN and Fox through 2030-31.sports.yahoo.com
In here the Iowa St AD claims he expects the new TV deal to = $50mil/year per school. $32/mil from the TV + $18mil/year from NCAA tourny + CFP. Is that right? $18mil/year from those?
Second, in the dream scenarios that I’ve seen in come threads people are discussing the ACC GOR that runs through 2036. What’s the process for an ACC school (ex: Clemson) to get poached by SEC prior to 2036? Pay the exit fee and that’s that? When it’s multiple schools (add in UNC, Miami, FSU…) how does that work? Will they try to terminate the GOR prior to the current 2036 end date if that’s the case?
New to all of this. Lol
Read the article about the Big 12 being in Rucker Park next week. Those NYC kids go to Big 12 schools, too.*With Big East players.
Between BE TV + NCAAT how much are we bringing in now in the Big East?Correct $50 million all in per year for each big 12 school.
Your second question is more complicated. A GOR has not been challenged legally yet, but those in the know say it’s iron clad. They either must wait it out or hope that a super majority of ACC schools vote to dissolve the conference. Otherwise, there would be serious litigation and/or their media rights would still be owned by the ACC if they left early (which no admitting conference would want any part of). They’re stuck.
Okay, let's throw away every athletic team to keep our basketball only fans happy. Let's disband all athletics except men's and women's basketball, so we can stay in the Big East. Think about the $$ we are saving if we didn't have anything except basketball.Because we win national championships in the Big East. I really don’t want to become Pitt, Syracuse, or BC, even if they get football money.
Two wonderings…
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Reports: Big 12 reaches new media rights deal with ESPN, Fox worth more than $2 billion
The Big 12 has reportedly reached a six-year extension with ESPN and Fox through 2030-31.sports.yahoo.com
In here the Iowa St AD claims he expects the new TV deal to = $50mil/year per school. $32/mil from the TV + $18mil/year from NCAA tourny + CFP. Is that right? $18mil/year from those?
Second, in the dream scenarios that I’ve seen in come threads people are discussing the ACC GOR that runs through 2036. What’s the process for an ACC school (ex: Clemson) to get poached by SEC prior to 2036? Pay the exit fee and that’s that? When it’s multiple schools (add in UNC, Miami, FSU…) how does that work? Will they try to terminate the GOR prior to the current 2036 end date if that’s the case?
New to all of this. Lol
This, but to answer a part of the original question, if the GOR would be specifically enforced by the courts (and I think there is more uncertainty here than many assume), it means that if Clemson were to leave before the GOR has expired, the ACC (and its media outlets) still have the right to show Clemson's home games during the term, and the new conference would not be able to televise them and earn revenue from them.Correct $50 million all in per year for each big 12 school.
Your second question is more complicated. A GOR has not been challenged legally yet, but those in the know say it’s iron clad. They either must wait it out or hope that a super majority of ACC schools vote to dissolve the conference. Otherwise, there would be serious litigation and/or their media rights would still be owned by the ACC if they left early (which no admitting conference would want any part of). They’re stuck.
would that be to get a second basketball only school like Gonzaga?St John's?
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I believe it’s about $5 million on average per school (TV+NCAA credits), based on 2020 data. Maybe it’s a bit more now with UConn’s championship but not going to be that much more.Between BE TV + NCAAT how much are we bringing in now in the Big East?
Consolidation and the instability that has been caused in the ACC makes this an even better strategy. As a clear number three conference and the top basketball conference in the country, Yormark can negotiate separate contracts over various networks to promote his product. He may even be looking to promote it across borders. Even if it doesn't work out that way, he can use this strategy to leverage a better package that may or may not include multiple networks.It's going to happen. Yormark has already stated that he wants to have a separate basketball contract for the Big 12 and he wants to expand the footprint on the east coast.
He's not trying to convince the Big 12 football schools. He knows that the Big 12 will never be on the same football level as the SEC or B1G 10 but he can have a solid football conference and the best basketball conference.
The guy has a media background and East coast roots. He's going to negotiate media rights similarly to the NFL by having games on several networks, and by expanding on both the east and west coast, the Big 12 can potentially have games on TV all day in all four time zones
That's the problem the the PAC 12 was having in negotiating media rights when their first games start at 2 or 3 pm on the east coast. The SEC's already played most of their games by then.
UConn will get an invite, we just have to be patient. Yormark is waiting for the PAC 12 media rights to be determined. Everybody knows that the PAC 12 numbers will be much lower due to UCLA and USC leaving for the B1G 10. The remaining universities need to budget for their athletic departments for next fiscal year. There's no deal in place, and PAC 12 commissioner Klaibkof has already stated that media rights will not be discussed during the PAC 12 media days on July 21st.
Something has to give, the question is, does the Big 12 go to 12 or 14 teams.
My thoughts are that they pick up Colorado and UConn and then add AZ and another PAC 12 defector. Ultimately, if the ACC breaks up, the Big 12 will take a couple more teams and stop at 16, but going to 20 with 4 pods of 5 teams is also possible.
Duke and Virginia Tech maybe.
Where I think things get more interesting is would they want to show them? Would ACC partners be angered that a school that left the conference is still being shown under a part of their media contract instead of them? If they don't show them then ESPN is foregoing the potential revenue. Would the refusal to show the departing teams games constitute "frustration of purpose" regarding the original grant of rights? To be honest, I'd really love to see one of these things get litigated because there are a ton of moving pieces to it.This, but to answer a part of the original question, if the GOR would be specifically enforced by the courts (and I think there is more uncertainty here than many assume), it means that if Clemson were to leave before the GOR has expired, the ACC (and its media outlets) still have the right to show Clemson's home games during the term, and the new conference would not be able to televise them and earn revenue from them.
Wait but… isn’t the SEC also an ESPN conference?This, but to answer a part of the original question, if the GOR would be specifically enforced by the courts (and I think there is more uncertainty here than many assume), it means that if Clemson were to leave before the GOR has expired, the ACC (and its media outlets) still have the right to show Clemson's home games during the term, and the new conference would not be able to televise them and earn revenue from them.
You're out of your mind.The LSU Women are so far ahead of UConn. Mulkey created a Dream Team through the portal. South Carolina is better too. Best to set the bar low for UConn and hope for the best.
You're not seeing the bigger picture. How will UConn ever be able to recruit anybody without being able to sell the dream of taking bus trips to Seton Hall and Providence? What about the fans? They need to see St Johns and G-town! It doesn't matter that no one under 40 remembers either team when they were relevant. What about the current team? They'll only get to play every single home game on the East Coast. What player is going to want to take a cushy charter flight to play Kansas in Allen Fieldhouse? They could be playing Creighton or Butler instead. The Transfer Portal will be overflowing with unhappy players who only care about UConn because they are in The Big East...Evidently we aren't the program that Kansas is. Hell, we aren't even the program that Baylor is, they both were able to win national titles very recently as members of the Big 12, something that is obviously so difficult many in our fan base believe we aren't capable of doing.
So what if it is? Even if the same network is airing the game, it means ESPN would be paying the ACC and not the SEC for Clemson's home games, and the ACC schools would have more money to divide up and the SEC less.Wait but… isn’t the SEC also an ESPN conference?
Beyond that ESPN already owns Clemson's home conference games for less than they would pay under the SEC pro-rata. They have little incentive to move them to the SEC and pay more for that content.So what if it is? Even if the same network is airing the game, it means ESPN would be paying the ACC and not the SEC for Clemson's home games, and the ACC schools would have more money to divide up and the SEC less.
Dave's not here...
Moving to the ACC would be like floating on a life raft in the North Atlantic and being rescued by the Titanic on its maiden voyage. The ACC is toast. The future power conference have 1) strong bonds and traditions among the schools, states, and fan bases (SEC) and/or 2) national footprints that attract viewers coast to coast (B1G and B12). The ACC (and PAC for that matter) has neither. The moment the clock strikes midnight on the GOR the ACC will turn to dust.And Louisville, Notre Dame, Miami, VTech...not to mention our history with Duke.
We have history with half that conference. Without considering what may or may not happen to the ACC in 2036, I would much rather be there than in the Big 12.