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You know, initially I said to myself that Joe D is an idiot how could he not know better.

Then, while the point still stands, over the past few years I've 'learned' more about market penetration, grant of rights, DMAs, research budgets, non disclosure agreements and for the 161,827 time why ND won't join a league.

I think it's safe to say our obsession has clouded our view of what the general public should know or does know.
 
Glastonhusky said:
Joe D is asking if UConn should take a B12 offer or wait for a better opportunity. Gresh says Cincy and Memphis are the best fits. That's about all you need to know.
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Gresh doesn't pretend not to be ill informed on most topics, but Joe D has his own minutes of abject ignorance to blatant stupidity especially with football broadcasts. One of the better examples being D'Ambrosio referring to Iowa State as the Hawkeyes during Division 1-transitioning UConn's 37-20 triumph in Ames.

Sometime in the 3rd quarter, someone with more knowledge clued Joe D in the Huskies were actually playing against the Cyclones. Yup, it left an impression during and since UConn's huge upset.
 
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nd73 said:
One conference official told me, “the only ones talking about expansion or adding a title game is the media. We aren’t looking at any of this stuff right now. What we have to do is a better job of selling ourselves. We had a great year.”

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article75695597.html#storylink=cpy
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Un-named "conference officials" are always the best source...

Sure looks/sounds like they are looking @ stuff: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...game-championship-new-teams-schools/83949584/
 
nd73 said:
One conference official told me, “the only ones talking about expansion or adding a title game is the media. We aren’t looking at any of this stuff right now. What we have to do is a better job of selling ourselves. We had a great year.”

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article75695597.html#storylink=cpy
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Nice try on the part of that conference official, but their own commissioner says that a title game and expansion is being discussed:

“If we do nothing, we’ll be substantially behind a decade from now,” Bowlsby said.

Against that backdrop, can the Big 12 afford to stand pat with its 10 members and embrace the status quo?

"Well, you only do nothing if you have your eyes wide open about what the implications are," Bowlsby said.

Bowlsby confirmed Wednesday that BHV is talking with the conference TV partners gathering information in case the conference has to expand and redo its TV contracts with Fox and ESPN, which run through 2024-25.
 
The internet has created opportunities for people who would otherwise be bagging groceries. When baseball expanded, the overall quality of pitching went to crap.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Anyone who gives a football answer for what is happening in realignment shouldn't be allowed to write on the topic.
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Not once have I read about the overall strength of the UConn athletic department and how much content we would provide a network. To me, the choices should be BYU and UConn and it's not even close. Cincy really doesn't provide all that much. They are a filler at best.
 
The Big 12 will expand.

It is an imperative for survival and their leadership knows this.

It is only a matter of how many (12 or going to 14) and who.
 
junglehusky said:
Wetzel has some valid points about the role of the bowl orgs not wanting playoff expansion influencing conference realignment...

Big 12 should push to expand the playoff, not its conference
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He should change the title to include at the end, "While allowing the B1g and SEC to make double the revenue"

The fact that adding two potential G5 football teams still holds value to the conference is only an ancillary benefit. Its not about football. Its certainly not about the playoff. Its about securing a network.
 
They should lobby to expand playoffs but expanding playoffs is not all that necessary at this time?
Was he arguing against himself?
 
lol, a Texas writer quotes an unnamed official saying nobody's talking about expansion when there's on-the-record quotes about expansion. It's obvious Texas is still in negotiation mode while the rest of the conference seems ready to start looking at candidates.
 
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djct1999 said:
He should change the title to include at the end, "While allowing the B1g and SEC to make double the revenue"

The fact that adding two potential G5 football teams still holds value to the conference is only an ancillary benefit. Its not about football. Its certainly not about the playoff. Its about securing a network.
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It's about live content 7x24x365 and advertising dollars. For a single school, football drives mega ratings 12 times a year. Men's basketball drives ratings at a lower tier 36-38 times a year. That's a lot of advertising time from November to March. We are unique in that our Women's team will generate advertising dollars at a lower level in our DMA which is ranked 20/21. We can argue about contribution, but they will be in the black. With the B12, hockey is not part of the equation, but it would be for the B10. For a network, it's the sum of the parts.

Over the course of a year, which school can provide the most advertising dollars in their markets. For all of their national appeal, I am not sure that BYU in their DMA can exceed our revenue generation in our DMA.
 
What the Big 12 does not have is a good image, and the only way that is going to change is if Texas is Texas.

This is the Texas mindset in the nutshell. It's all about them. Expansion dilutes their power. They hold out for an elevated share of revenue, such that their new net number is increased, then pretend to be magnanimous in allowing expansion.
 
CL82 said:
What the Big 12 does not have is a good image, and the only way that is going to change is if Texas is Texas.

This is the Texas mindset in the nutshell. It's all about them. Expansion dilutes their power. They hold out for an elevated share of revenue, such that their new net number is increased, then pretend to be magnanimous in allowing expansion.
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But in the end, the only way Texas is Texas is if the Big12 remains solvent. If OU goes to the SEC and Texas goes either to the ACC or Pac-12, they will be a shell of their former selves.
 
djct1999 said:
He should change the title to include at the end, "While allowing the B1g and SEC to make double the revenue"

The fact that adding two potential G5 football teams still holds value to the conference is only an ancillary benefit. Its not about football. Its certainly not about the playoff. Its about securing a network.
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Similar to adding the phrase "In the backseat of a car" when reading your fortune from the fortune cookie".

What people keep missing on the expansion/revenue/conference network regarding the Big12 is that 10 teams is too few to sustain a conference network with live games. You still have Tier 1/2 rights that have to be doled out. Once they are done, there aren't enough games left to fill a network. So, no one wants to go in on a network.

That's where the Big12 is disadvantaged with 10. As is often said in war, quantity in large enough numbers becomes a quality in and of itself.
 
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Stinger92860 said:
It's about live content 7x24x365 and advertising dollars. ...We are unique in that our Women's team will generate advertising dollars at a lower level in our DMA which is ranked 20/21.

Over the course of a year, which school can provide the most advertising dollars in their markets. For all of their national appeal, I am not sure that BYU in their DMA can exceed our revenue generation in our DMA.
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It's not just in our DMA. The women's team vs. Notre Dame in the regular season got a 1.5 that's higher than EVERY SINGLE BYU football game. Except for BYU-Michigan and BYU-Nebraska... And while we're at it... look at UConn/BYU on ESPN2, it beats UCLA/BYU on FS1, Boise State/BYU on ESPN2.. and is almost as high as Cinnci/BYU on ESPN.

Stuff like this is why I get annoyed when people down play football TV ratings. You put UConn on a decent platform (not ESPNN/ESPNU) against a decent opponent (hullo B12 schedule) and our ratings are solid.
 
IMind said:
It's not just in our DMA. The women's team vs. Notre Dame in the regular season got a 1.5 that's higher than EVERY SINGLE BYU football game. Except for BYU-Michigan and BYU-Nebraska... And while we're at it... look at UConn/BYU on ESPN2, it beats UCLA/BYU on FS1, Boise State/BYU on ESPN2.. and is almost as high as Cinnci/BYU on ESPN.

Stuff like this is why I get annoyed when people down play football TV ratings. You put UConn on a decent platform (not ESPNN/ESPNU) against a decent opponent (hullo B12 schedule) and our ratings are solid.
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It is difficult to separate who is being watched when you watch a good platform play....The analysts noted that Northwestern in 2014 had inflated viewership ratings because only five of their games were rated....only their most attractive match ups were picked up...against Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, etc...and they thus ended up with a rank as the #16 most watched team based on ratings.
 
billybud said:
It is difficult to separate who is being watched when you watch a good platform play....The analysts noted that Northwestern in 2014 had inflated viewership ratings because only five of their games were rated....only their most attractive match ups were picked up...against Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, etc...and they thus ended up with a rank as the #16 most watched team based on ratings.
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I know... I mean UConn/BYU ratings on ESPN2 were basically the same as FSU/Wake Forest on ESPN. ;)

Time of day and opponent matter too... but UConn's numbers are pretty good when you try to compare apples to apples the best you can.
 
IMind said:
I know... I mean UConn/BYU ratings on ESPN2 were basically the same as FSU/Wake Forest on ESPN. ;)

Time of day and opponent matter too... but UConn's numbers are pretty good when you try to compare apples to apples the best you can.
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Yes...BYU-UConn drew 1.24 million...not shabby...

FSU-Wake did draw 1.27 million a real downswing from FSU-BC (3.15 million) two weeks before....the Wake effect?

But Memphis-USF drew 1.15 million on ESPN2 same weekend at 10:00 PM...also not shabby
 
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billybud said:
Yes...BYU-UConn drew 1.24 million...not shabby...

BUT...FSU-Wake did draw 1.27 million....
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Actually if you weren't up against Alabama/Georgia and OSU/Indiana on the networks you'd probably have done a bit better too... it's all about the context... my point is when we're on a real station we're competitive.
 
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