I have lots of friends that are BC grads, moreso than any other school for sure - not a majority by any stretch but the largest alumni base in Boston. What they have in common isn't being catholic, it is being totally apathetic about BC sports. In some cases anti-BC for the alumni $ grabs.I think that is partly correct. And add the growth of pro sports generally. Before Magic and Larry joined the NBA bankruptcy was being openly discussed for example. But the Bruins and the Red Sox were always dominant in Boston. And while it wasn’t being Catholic alone that drew fans to BC, it was that they were everywhere in every parish. I joke with a friend of mine who is a BC alum “Did you know Tommy O’brien When you were at BC?” And he says”Which Tommy O’brien?” The one from Hyde Park. “ Which one?” Pretty much every Catholic Church and every affiliated organization had a bunch of BC guys or parents of BC students. In my little neighborhood growing up there were 7 college grads among my friends fathers. 5 were BC guys. 1 went to Holy Cross and the other one went to the University of Ohio, where he grew up. And 3 of my friends went there. And they played a form of major college football and basketball so they were the local team. My sister and her family live there now. Way more college grads but no BC grads. Some UMASS and various other public Schools, a UConn guy (we compare notes when I visit). Various other colleges represented based on decals on there cars. They would have to be very good to ever get back the fan base they had in the 80s and before.
If he’s an executive recruiter he knows that by the time you get to the executive level, your degree means nothing.I have lots of friends that are BC grads, moreso than any other school for sure - not a majority by any stretch but the largest alumni base in Boston. What they have in common isn't being catholic, it is being totally apathetic about BC sports. In some cases anti-BC for the alumni $ grabs.
And one of these friends works in recruiting. He & I had an interesting debate a few years ago about the value of educations and he was adamant that a BC degree was worth more than my UConn degree. I disagreed then, but he certainly had a point as it applies to Boston that there is still a massive network of BC folks that will and can help you, and therefore your odds of getting seen with a BC degree are simply better. He is an executive recruiter and believes your salary is actually higher with a BC degree.
It’s as if people have no idea that Cincinnati is on the Kentucky border and isn’t far from Indiana either. The southern suburbs of Cincinnati and its airport are in Kentucky. This is not Idaho or South Dakota. It’s deep in college hoops territory.Nonsense. St Johns hasn’t been a relevant job since the 1990s. And while you aren’t overshadowed by other schools you will always be an afterthought behind the Knicks, Nets, Giants, Jets, Yankees, Mets, Redbulls. You are competing with other comparable programs nearby too if they get their acts together. Seton Hall. Fordham (ok A10 but if they start winning they’ll be the local darlings)
NYC might have been the center of college basketball in 1957 but the center has long ago moved to the large state schools.
Cincinatti is in an area where college basketball is actually appreciated and I know it’s hard to believe for Gotham centric folks from this area, but kids play ball in Cincinatti too. Decent sized city with a fair amount of activity going on.
St Johns ceased being relevant about 25 years ago. It isn’t coming back. Cinci might have a ceiling but so do the Johnnies
Sure, yet this is about BC's influence in Boston yet lack thereof in Boston sports. Not the precise role or title of my friend 1. I don't know 2. He got out of recruiting a year or so ago and got in the game - I don't know where, he's a guy I play ball and drink beers with not interview about his job description.If he’s an executive recruiter he knows that by the time you get to the executive level, your degree means nothing.
Some folks here are either too young to remember, or have forgotten the "Ticketgate" nonsense back when St. John's was actually really good during the Mike Jarvis/Ron Artest days. Jarvis was forced to hoard game tickets for the UCONN games at MSG because we would buy tickets on the secondary market and outnumber the Johnny fans 2 to 1. And it's been all downhill from then for St. John's. That's downhill from having to hold back tickets so as not to be playing away games at MSG even when they were good. That tells you all you need to know.So effectively, they don't draw at MSG at all. Their opponent does. Not exactly an advantage.
Bob Ryan cares and so did Lobel who was one of the key guys in media for a long time, second/third only to maybe Will McDonough or Ryan. The College sports dog just don't hunt in Boston.Led by sportswriters and shock sport jocks on radio.
In a place where ONE key sportswriter cares, it’s a different dynamic. I do think guys like Dick Weiss made caring for CBB cool.
In 2007 (I think, the year with Matt Ryan?) when they got up to #2 and were hosting some other ranked team (Clemson maybe?).BC had a string of eight straight bowl wins from 2000-2007.
Since 2007, they have only had a couple of decent years.
I don't know why they fell off...but like any team, it usually has something to do with QB play.
...BC played at Clemson that day in 2007.In 2007 (I think, the year with Matt Ryan?) when they got up to #2 and were hosting some other ranked team (Clemson maybe?).
The Bruins were hosting the Red Wings (a regular season, NHL game in November) and that was like a much MUCH bigger deal in Boston than #2 BC football that Saturday.
(Source: me, I was there)
Oh Clemson is definitely a national draw....BC played at Clemson that day in 2007.
I don't know about national TV ratings back in 2007...but when ranked BC met Clemson November, 2018....it was a national draw.
ABC’s Saturday Night Football featuring Clemson at Boston College (8 p.m. ET) was college football’s highest-rated prime-time game in week 11, followed by ESPN’s telecast of Auburn at Georgia (7 p.m.). Now, 11 weeks into the season, ABC or ESPN has aired the sport’s highest-rated prime-time game in nine of those weeks and the two networks have combined to air the two highest-rated primetime games in multiple weeks.
I wasn’t saying it was a national draw, I was just saying that the hockey game was a bigger deal in boston that day than the BC football game.Oh..it was indeed Clemson at Clemson that BC played in November of 2007...only ranked team they played that month...
Maybe your memory is a little untrustworthy....heck, I fashion memory around my biases as well.
I have never watched a hockey game on TV or in person...so imagining one as a national draw is beyond my ken.
Yep I barely remember the blip when Ryan or anyone else was at BC. I do remember going to a BC v Notre D game circa 97 that was such a big deal that neither my dad nor girlfriend that were both going could get me a ticket. So I stood outside and someone handed me one for free. That has occurred other times and it's emblematic of the apathy.I wasn’t saying it was a national draw, I was just saying that the hockey game was a bigger deal in boston that day than the BC football game.
I know there are yarders on here that live in Boston that can back me up in saying that the Bruins, generally, are a much bigger deal than BC football
Bingo.So effectively, they don't draw at MSG at all. Their opponent does. Not exactly an advantage.