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Painter is a decent coach but nothing special. Sean Miller (aside from being a criminal) is an excellent coach but an absolute choke artist.

I'd rank my top 6 most likely to reach a Final Four as such:

1) Muss Bus
2) Miller
3) Oats
4) Cooley
5) McDermott
6) Lloyd

Only reason I put Cooley above McDermott is because Georgetown should have a higher ceiling of talent available to them in recruiting, assuming Cooley can get them out of the dumpster.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Maybe it's possible Matt Painter isn't as great as they all seem to think.
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Might be OK as long as he can avoid anything “New Jersey.” Between Rutgers (lost to them twice as AP #1), St Peter’s and Fairleigh Dickinson, the guy must have garden state nightmares.
 
rooting for all 3 of xavier, gtown, and creighton to make a final 4 soon (as long as it's not over UConn)
 
Painter is funny. His style would have been dominant 2010 or before. It's STILL dominant through much of the regular season. But he's susceptible to a team getting hot from 3, and doesn't seem to recruit the personnel to adjust.
 
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husky429 said:
Painter is funny. His style would have been dominant 2010 or before. It's STILL dominant through much of the regular season. But he's susceptible to a team getting hot from 3, and doesn't seem to recruit the personnel to adjust.
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Part of it is that the Big 10 just sucks. They win with their unathletic style because it's an unathletic league. FDU and St. Peter's weren't even hot from three they just beat them by being more aggressive and playing more athletic than them. Painter never adjusts.
 
Bennett is the best coach on that list.

A bunch of others are just bag men - Hamilton, McDermott, Miller, Musselman, Lloyd, Oats, etc.
 
I’m most surprised at Hamilton and Miller because of the talent they’ve been able to recruit over the years.
 
Like I said Hamilton and Miller but everyone else on that list doesn’t surprise me AT ALL that their final fourless.
 
Fishy said:
Bennett is the best coach on that list.

A bunch of others are just bag men - Hamilton, McDermott, Miller, Musselman, Lloyd, Oats, etc.
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Big East can't compete with the mighty P4 football conferences but our coaches are bag men? Which is it?
 
All I kept thinking when I only read the headline of this thread was that I am so glad this thread wasn't before 1999. Jim Calhoun would've been #1 in the article and UConn was tied with BYU for the most NCAA tournament appearances without reaching the Final Four. I am smiling like the Hamburger Helper mascot UConn is never thought of again to be in that realm.
 
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Tuna said:
To be fair, saying Greg McDermott is just a bag man is imbecilic.
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Out of curiosity, why? I know we’re duty bound to deify him here but what makes him so special? He certainly wasn’t anything noteworthy before he got to Creighton.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Out of curiosity, why? I know we’re duty bound to deify him here but what makes him so special? He certainly wasn’t anything noteworthy before he got to Creighton.
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I think he's one of the best game planners I've seen. He absolutely exploited what Hurley did every time we played. Really forced Hurley to finally adjust. I don't think his teams are talent loaded as much as it seems, he just maximizes what they can do. I think he's a heck of a coach. Certainly don't think Creighton is buying players over anybody else. Locally they compete with KU, K State, the Iowa Schools, Mizzou and I suppose Nebraska, all of whom have more financial pull and bigger boosters.
 
McDermott is definitely not just a bag man, he's a really good coach too. But I feel like everyone just completely forgets that he was right in the middle of the Adidas/Brian Bowen scandal and is on tape offering him money to go to Creighton
 
Rick Barnes only being to 1 FF is almost more disappointing than half these guys never making it
 
McDermotts a good coach but nowhere close to as good as this board seems to think he is…despite all the titles he’s won with inferior talent
 
Occasionally the other team will have a good coach and we'll lose and I'll think "We got beat." And maybe I'll think part of it is the other team's coach doing good things. But the only 2 coaches over the last half decade or so that I've said "We are much better than this opponent, literally the only reason we are losing this game is because of their coach" was Kelvin Sampson and Greg McDermott.

Sampson it just felt like we were being strangled alive in the AAC games. We didn't just miss shots against them, I don't think we got a single good shot the whole game. Their guys were just literally always in the right spot on D, there were 0 driving lanes, and everything was contested heavily.

McDermott it was specifically the game 2 years ago on the road, I think @HuskyHawk is referring to the same thing with the gameplanning. I also think he's done a good job with optimizing his scheme for his roster. He used to play 5 out with a small ball 5, now he plays PnR with Kalkbrenner. They lose guys to injury and the team doesn't get any worse. Always top 50, usually top 30 KenPom. Really good coach.

Sean Miller had some pretty good moments last season and he was the first I remember to really go full extreme on the Dorking of Jackson last season, but it wasn't quite the same feeling, probably at least partially because they had a lot of talent, too (and his players made a ton of shots against us).

Jay Wright it was hard to separate the development and talent he had when we played him. He gets credit for all that obviously, but felt like his structure/scheme and development was better than his Xs/Os and gameday planning. Same thing for Mick Cronin.

In 5 years, we're going to decide if Matt Painter is Jay Wright or Mike Brey. His D has let him down on a few really good teams, but he has had some good years on that side of the ball, too. In 18 years at Purdue, he's been top 30 in KenPom 14 times (missed his first year and then a 3-year stretch '13-15), and has been 8 straight years with a couple top 10 finishes. I do think he's the right answer to this question. Brey had a similar stretch, but the highs and average ere not generally quite as high
 
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