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RockyMTblue2 said:
She said she went to Baylor knowing that openly talking your homosexuality was "an unwritten" nono, then she found out it was a written no no. She obviously was not crazy about the policy.
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Not quite sure what she expected going to a strict Baptist school. And I imagine that the school repeated its religious message many times - did she think they weren't serious?
 
"It was more of a unwritten law [to not discuss your sexuality] ... it was just kind of, like, one of those things, you know, just don't do it," Griner said Friday. "They kind of tried to make it, like, 'Why put your business out on the street like that?'"
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You know as much as I want to feel 'holier than thou' on this issue, I don't have a problem with this approach. The title of the article makes it seem like it was more than that.
 
ericsandiego said:
You don't hear Geno advertising "if you are gay, you will need to keep it to your self".
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But Mulkey didn't advertise this publicly either.
And we have no idea what Geno et al says to them privately. For all we know may say: your private life is your business, so keep it private.
 
vowelguy said:
But Mulkey didn't advertise this publicly either.
And we have no idea what Geno et al says to them privately. For all we know may say: your private life is your business, so keep it private.
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Perhaps, but have you EVER heard a player leave UCONN and say "yeah, Geno told me not to be myself"? At Baylor it even went so far as to have the administration tell Griner to take some tweets down that they found offensive. Granted UCONN players aren't allowed to tweet or use any social media during the season, but still. You ever hear a player say "Geno (or someone else at UCONN) told me to remove some tweets because I discussed homosexual things"?
 
ericsandiego said:
Perhaps, but have you EVER heard a player leave UCONN and say "yeah, Geno told me not to be myself"? At Baylor it even went so far as to have the administration tell Griner to take some tweets down that they found offensive. Granted UCONN players aren't allowed to tweet or use any social media during the season, but still. You ever hear a player say "Geno (or someone else at UCONN) told me to remove some tweets because I discussed homosexual things"?
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Before today, had you ever heard that about Mulkey?
And there is a difference between Mulkey and Baylor admin.
 
pap49cba said:
Too often, it seems, university codes of conduct, student handbook rules, etc. seem only to apply to non-athletes.

That said, my problem with this news is that Mulkey knowingly recruited a young lady whose lifestyle choice was going to put her (Griner) in a very difficult position given the written policies of a private Baptist university. But all Kim seemed to be worried about was how it might hurt recruiting and the program's image.
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Must give BYU an exception here. They found out a player (Davies) had sex with his girlfriend and suspended him near the end of a very good season. Tough rules, but if applied universally, I have no problem with that.
 
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I'll give Mulkey the benefit of the doubt here. I think it's more of a Baylor policy than her policy.

As for Uconn. The bigger Uconn players have always seemed to be private. They aren't really into social media. They don't really talk about their personal life. I'm not sure if that's a choice, or if that's something Geno instills. But I think it's more about privacy than sexuality.

The dresses and heels? That's professional attire. And it's more CD than Geno. It's a little old fashioned, but CD seems sort of that way. The girls can't wear short dresses either.
 
It is this simple. Baylor has a code of conduct, and BG surely knew what it was when she chose Baylor. Mulkey is a university employee and she is expected to uphold the university standards. BG has clearly stated that she was out at Baylor, so nobody told her she couldn't "be herself." She was told not to speak to the media about her sexuality. I would have that EVERY coach would warn players not to speak about their sexuality. Do you want some player saying "yeah, I like having group sex" on social media?

Like was stated, it's your private life, so keep it private.
 
Wow. My posts to DaddyChoc were deleted? Even though they were "liked" several times? Interesting.
 
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I think the bigger story is being overlooked. If Baylor is supposed to be such a devout Baptist institution and it was an open secret. How are they not the biggest hypocrites in the Big 12.

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formerlurker said:
Wow. My posts to DaddyChoc were deleted? Even though they were "liked" several times? Interesting.
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Apparently you haven't posted much on this particular board. Sometimes it's good to get the hang of a place before wading in.

Since you find the deletion interesting, you're invited to talk about it by PM. Not on the board.

I'll add that a couple of people -- you know who you are -- need to take a deep breath and stop the squabbling and personal attacks. The thread isn't necessarily that contentious. This stuff is tangential.
 
Well, the Griner-Mulkey story has hit MSN's home page. Baylor has to be POed.
 
RockyMTblue2 said:
Well, the Griner-Mulkey story has hit MSN's home page. Baylor has to be POed.
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Baylor?
It's Mulkey who got thrown under the bus, and now will have a much harder time recruiting.
 
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vowelguy said:
Baylor?
It's Mulkey who got thrown under the bus, and now will have a much harder time recruiting.
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Last time I checked Mulkey and Baylor were joined at the hip (or some sexually nuetral point of contact) and damage to one is damage to the other. Do you think Baylor is not POed at this development? But you are right about recruitment. This certainly does not help Baylor.
 
It's true that it was known by many -- and I don't say all 'cause it's clear some fans were clue free -- that BG was gay. How did she finally get them to stop showing up on the big screen during basketball games? Sling her arm around her girl friend.

As for "don't talk to the press about it..." While I understand the desire to be private - be you straight OR gay - but can you 1) imagine a straight player being told not to talk about their girlfriend/boyfriend and 2) imagine celebrating a championship and thanking your family but not being allowed to thank your partner?

And didn't Kim and Baylor say they didn't know about BG?
 
RockyMTblue2 said:
Last time I checked Mulkey and Baylor were joined at the hip (or some sexually nuetral point of contact) and damage to one is damage to the other. Do you think Baylor is not POed at this development? But you are right about recruitment. This certainly does not help Baylor.
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Baylor is a conservative Baptist school. That it is against homosexuality is news to no one.

It is Mulkey who got exposed here.
 
Baylor and Griner handled it with integrity. No Evangelizing sin. No persecution of the Sinner. Griner and Baylor both seem at peace. End of story.

Except here in the Blue State better known as the 34th Circle of Hell.......the battle rages on
 
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Should Mulkey have said to Griner, in Portland style, "Sorry, lesbians are not welcome at Baylor"?

Mulkey is walking a tightrope. I think that she handled it about as well as she could have. She cannot slap the administration in the face by telling BG to be the face of lesbians in college sports...and she would have been.

I have no problem with her saying "BG, I support you and want you to live an honest life, but based on university code you simply can't be out in the same fashion that the average student is."

I think BG conducted herself with great class while at Baylor. She endured much more than possibly any other college athlete in recent memory. Now she's out in the world and out to the world and is obviously enjoying the freedom. She is now going to feel completely liberated and I suspect that her play will reflect her happiness.
 
ThisJustIn said:
It's true that it was known by many -- and I don't say all 'cause it's clear some fans were clue free -- that BG was gay. How did she finally get them to stop showing up on the big screen during basketball games? Sling her arm around her girl friend.

As for "don't talk to the press about it..." While I understand the desire to be private - be you straight OR gay - but can you 1) imagine a straight player being told not to talk about their girlfriend/boyfriend and 2) imagine celebrating a championship and thanking your family but not being allowed to thank your partner?

And didn't Kim and Baylor say they didn't know about BG?
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Very good points.

Kim never said she didn't know.
 
easttexastrash said:
It is this simple. Baylor has a code of conduct, and BG surely knew what it was when she chose Baylor. Mulkey is a university employee and she is expected to uphold the university standards. BG has clearly stated that she was out at Baylor, so nobody told her she couldn't "be herself." She was told not to speak to the media about her sexuality. I would have that EVERY coach would warn players not to speak about their sexuality. Do you want some player saying "yeah, I like having group sex" on social media?

Like was stated, it's your private life, so keep it private.
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Really, from her quote, it seemed more like a suggestion than an instruction.
 
CL82 said:
Really, from her quote, it seemed more like a suggestion than an instruction.
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If it came from Compliance it was an instruction.

Maybe I've missed it but I haven't seen a quote that says that Mulkey instructed her not to put things out on social media. The only thing I see is that Mulkey knew that she was gay. But maybe I missed that.
 
All very interesting. But ... I do think every program instructs players to be very careful about what they 'publish' about their private life for their own protection. I am trying to remember anything a Uconn player has said about boyfriends or girlfriends and can only come up with I think Mel Thomas discussing travel plans to see her boyfriend play a game. It is just info that makes me uncomfortable to know - like an aging stalker.
Baylor having a published rule re sexual activity and sexual orientation is a slightly different position. Agreeing to attend Baylor is a contract to abide by their rules. Flaunting of sexual promiscuity is probably as frowned upon as flaunting ones homosexuality at Baylor.
Given that, I don't think this is a big story. Is there some hypocrisy involved ... yes. Is it ideal...no. But is it particularly unusual ... I don't think so.
 
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