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Baylor (3) @ Stanford (11) - 12/15/18

Who will win this game?

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Rblack335 said:
I know this is just one game, but do you think GMs are seriously considering Kalani Brown a number one pick.
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I've felt McCowan would be #1 for a couple years now, and I haven't seen enough from Brown to change my mind.
 
donalddoowop said:
Well, so much for unbeaten Baylor, and so much for having so much height. Too many people look at height and don't consider quickness, effort, and coaching.
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Stanford has height as well. Stanford BIGs are more agile, and better shooters.
 
A few points here:
Size is always chosen first-you can't teach size regardless of the other talent; the NBA is littered with terrible big men chosen 1st...the most notorious is 1984-Olajuwon and Bowie taken over Jordan; Andrew Bogut over Chris Paul in 2005.

This game featured 12 McDonald's AA's 7 for Baylor and 5 for Stanford with a mind boggling 8 top 20 ranked HG's for Baylor and 4 for Stanford. Both coaches need to up their offensive schemes, IMO...more so Baylor as Stanford's talent is in the Sophomore and Freshman classes (and incoming 2019-20 class!).
 
Laimbeer shared the staring Post position on the Aces between Swords ( 12 Gms), Bone ( 10 Gms) and Park (11 Gms) . If he's looking for a Dominant low post player that can rebound and score he might choose Brown or McCowan of Miss St. Dominant post play has been a staple of Laimbeer teams, but is the WNBA going away from Dominant post play like the NBA has? Hard to pass up a player like Durr or Ionescu if she declares.

Shades said:
I've felt McCowan would be #1 for a couple years now, and I haven't seen enough from Brown to change my mind.
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DefenseBB said:
A few points here:
Size is always chosen first-you can't teach size regardless of the other talent; the NBA is littered with terrible big men chosen 1st...the most notorious is 1984-Olajuwon and Bowie taken over Jordan; Andrew Bogut over Chris Paul in 2005.

This game featured 12 McDonald's AA's 7 for Baylor and 5 for Stanford with a mind boggling 8 top 20 ranked HG's for Baylor and 4 for Stanford. Both coaches need to up their offensive schemes, IMO...more so Baylor as Stanford's talent is in the Sophomore and Freshman classes (and incoming 2019-20 class!).
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I wholly agree about changing offensive schemes for Baylor. Its okay to utilize your advantage in the paint, but they have to develop more of a perimeter game to complement it. Juicy Landrum is an outstanding shooter, but it seems like her only 3 point attempts come on long rebounds or broken plays. If we would just run a few plays to get her open a knock it down early, we could really open up the defense. It worked early against South Carolina, and we pretty much had our way offensively the rest of the game. Baylor fans are tired of trying to force the ball into triple teams on the block and turning the ball over.

Theoretically, next years team should be better suited for that style of play, especially if Alexis Morris indeed returns from suspension. She is a true PG and a better outside threat than Chloe Jackson. Nalyssa Smith will certainly step into the lineup for Brown, and perhaps Aquira Decosta will start too. That is a much more athletic lineup more capable of playing out to the arc on both offense and defense. I still have hope for this season, since this was clearly not our best game and still managed to make it close in the end, but the potential is high going forward. A change in philosophy is definitely needed though.
 
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Wbbfan1 said:
Laimbeer shared the staring Post position on the Aces between Swords ( 12 Gms), Bone ( 10 Gms) and Park (11 Gms) . If he's looking for a Dominant low post player that can rebound and score he might choose Brown or McCowan of Miss St. Dominant post play has been a staple of Laimbeer teams, but is the WNBA going away from Dominant post play like the NBA has? Hard to pass up a player like Durr or Ionescu if she declares.
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Height will win out again. How may times is Trader Bill gonna have a chance to get an aircraft carrier like Brown or McGowan? He’s slobbering all over himself already.

If the right team wants Ionescu or Durr really badly I can even see him trading down to 2 and taking McGowan there.
 
Nice win for the Card. If Tara has more than a week to prepare her team, watch out. But if you think Durr and Hyponescu is a fit for Laimbeer who likes a little D from his players, being facetious, both those will not be it as neither can play any D let alone understand help D concepts. But we will see who the dumb GMs. Plum who struggled was actually more athletic and had a better offensive game than Hyponescu, sure no D but more athletic.

Plus Bill wants to win now Brown and McCowan will be projects.
 
DefenseBB said:
Size is always chosen first-you can't teach size regardless of the other talent; the NBA is littered with terrible big men chosen 1st...the most notorious is 1984-Olajuwon and Bowie taken over Jordan; Andrew Bogut over Chris Paul in 2005.
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Olajuwon was an all time great, so that's not so egregious. But yeah, Bowie might've been the worst draft pick ever. But the Blazers eventually made up for by drafting Oden (another physically busted up big man, just like Bowie) ahead of Durant...:(


edited--until Durant fell into their laps, the Sonics wasted their top draft pick 3 consecutive years on Robert Swift, Johan Petro and Mouhamed Sene. They had a penchant for 7 footers that couldn't play a lick of hoops.
 
j66kicker said:
Height will win out again. How may times is Trader Bill gonna have a chance to get an aircraft carrier like Brown or McGowan? He’s slobbering all over himself already.

If the right team wants Ionescu or Durr really badly I can even see him trading down to 2 and taking McGowan there.
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Sabrina is a Junior....what about our girl Katie Lou?
 
SECbbfan24 said:
LSU and Rutgers are in a battle of who sucks more contest right now

Wish LSU would fire Nikki
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LSU trails Rutgers 50-43 with about 1:00 to play.

How did LSU ever beat Florida State?
 
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Sabrina is old enough to come out if she wants. Will she have anything left to prove? (She ain’t winning an NC at Oregon)

I’d take Lou, but we’re talking about Bill Laimbeer here.
 
Bear11 said:
I wholly agree about changing offensive schemes for Baylor. Its okay to utilize your advantage in the paint, but they have to develop more of a perimeter game to complement it. Juicy Landrum is an outstanding shooter, but it seems like her only 3 point attempts come on long rebounds or broken plays. If we would just run a few plays to get her open a knock it down early, we could really open up the defense. It worked early against South Carolina, and we pretty much had our way offensively the rest of the game. Baylor fans are tired of trying to force the ball into triple teams on the block and turning the ball over.

Theoretically, next years team should be better suited for that style of play, especially if Alexis Morris indeed returns from suspension. She is a true PG and a better outside threat than Chloe Jackson. Nalyssa Smith will certainly step into the lineup for Brown, and perhaps Aquira Decosta will start too. That is a much more athletic lineup more capable of playing out to the arc on both offense and defense. I still have hope for this season, since this was clearly not our best game and still managed to make it close in the end, but the potential is high going forward. A change in philosophy is definitely needed though.
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The problem, as athletic as next years team for Baylor will be, outside of Smith at forward, this team can't shoot. Depending on second chances for your offense through rebouding doesn't work as you advance up the Championship food chain. Now next year yeah, Morris and Jackson give you something from the outside, but time and again athleic teams have shown that without a solid, adaptable offensive scheme they fail at The Dance; dump it into the big fella isn't a viable scheme. The last ten years or more has proven that motion offenses are the most flexible and adaptable schemes, and they are the ones that win.

Another problem with Baylor, every year, is that Mulkey typically has a light OOC schedule. When the tourney rolls around her teams are ill prepared for close, tough games back to back, and/or on the road. Any surprise that this year again Mulkey's team has had issues on the road agaainst good teams?

Look at Dawn laying the ground work for SCar's next ten years. As I watched Texas fail again against UT while using a double post I just threw up my hands. All that talent and they're still using this horse and buggy offense. Sure , a motion offense takes a lot of learning first for the coach, then for the team. But the rewards are well worth it. One annoincer recently said, again, why don't more teams copy UConn's model for success? Because it's hard. It takes time, and AD's, fans and boosters want wins now
 
Plebe said:
LSU trails Rutgers 50-43 with about 1:00 to play.

How did LSU ever beat Florida State?
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LSU had the game of their lives and FSU was ice cold for half the game. LSU is not a good team. Disgusting that our AD decided to extend our HC.

We gonna get slaughtered in SEC play despite the conference being weak

Sorry for my ramble, feels good to get it out lol
 
SECbbfan24 said:
LSU had the game of their lives and FSU was ice cold for half the game. LSU is not a good team. Disgusting that our AD decided to extend our HC.

We gonna get slaughtered in SEC play despite the conference being weak
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When did she get the extension?

The SEC just seems so down this year: Alabama, Ole Miss, Vandy and Florida are hot humid messes. Missouri and South Carolina have been disappointing so far. Geezus, Arkansas might even finish about .500 this year.

Oh I forgot Georgia: add them to the "disappointing" list along with Mizzou and SC. Texas A&M is also down from last year.
 
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Fun stat: According to the announcer at the close of the game, the Big Ten is 7-1 this year vs. the SEC, with only a one-point loss by Wisconsin at Arkansas. Yeesh.
 
j66kicker said:
Sabrina is old enough to come out if she wants. Will she have anything left to prove? (She ain’t winning an NC at Oregon)

I’d take Lou, but we’re talking about Bill Laimbeer here.
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Double check that as Sabrina just turned 21 and I think you have to be 22 for the draft....
 
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Plebe said:
When did she get the extension?

The SEC just seems so down this year: Alabama, Ole Miss, Vandy and Florida are hot humid messes. Missouri and South Carolina have been disappointing so far. Geezus, Arkansas might even finish about .500 this year.

Oh I forgot Georgia: add them to the "disappointing" list along with Mizzou and SC. Texas A&M is also down from last year.
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LSU extended her this fall for 3 years. They kept delaying the extension because LSU people were all up in arms over it.

She continuously runs off players and pisses off the boosters. Her recruiting is erratic as well. LSU deserves better.

I also enjoy listening to Gens's comments a couple years ago about the state of the LSU program when they came to BR and destroyed us. "Its not even the same program, theres no comparison"
 
JordyG said:
The problem, as athletic as next years team for Baylor will be, outside of Smith at forward, this team can't shoot. Depending on second chances for your offense through rebouding doesn't work as you advance up the Championship food chain. Now next year yeah, Morris and Jackson give you something from the outside, but time and again athleic teams have shown that without a solid, adaptable offensive scheme they fail at The Dance; dump it into the big fella isn't a viable scheme. The last ten years or more has proven that motion offenses are the most flexible and adaptable schemes, and they are the ones that win.

Another problem with Baylor, every year, is that Mulkey typically has a light OOC schedule. When the tourney rolls around her teams are ill prepared for close, tough games back to back, and/or on the road. Any surprise that this year again Mulkey's team has had issues on the road agaainst good teams?

Look at Dawn laying the ground work for SCar's next ten years. As I watched Texas fail again against UT while using a double post I just threw up my hands. All that talent and they're still using this horse and buggy offense. Sure , a motion offense takes a lot of learning first for the coach, then for the team. But the rewards are well worth it. One annoincer recently said, again, why don't more teams copy UConn's model for success? Because it's hard. It takes time, and AD's, fans and boosters want wins now
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My point is that next year dump it down to the big man won't be the strategy. The lineup we will roll with won't be that kind of team. For the first time in my memory we will be able to roll with a team where everyone is an outside threat to some degree. Cox is much more capable than what we saw today. Morris and Landrum are both capable of shooting 40% or more from distance. Nalyssa Smith has shown an ability to knock them down so far. Decosta hit a 3 today, but she's only played about 15 minutes total this year so we don't know exactly what she brings yet. Even Moon Ursin made significant strides in shooting this year.

I don't know if Kim will choose to use them that way, but the material is there. As for scheduling, we have a very tough schedule this year and I believe we have some games lined up for next year to keep that going. A road win over Arizona State and a blowout at South Carolina do count too. Didn't show up well today but this team is capable of winning on the road.
 
Bernie said:
How did Baylor end up with no point guards on it's roster? Feels like 2 years ago they had 3 incoming freshman all Americans at point.
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Well Morris departure was unexpected and sounds like she will be back.
 
SECbbfan24 said:
LSU had the game of their lives and FSU was ice cold for half the game. LSU is not a good team. Disgusting that our AD decided to extend our HC.

We gonna get slaughtered in SEC play despite the conference being weak

Sorry for my ramble, feels good to get it out lol
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I am curious to hear your take as Fargas has not really done well by the former status of the program. She has however cleaned up the mess the former coach left. She came in with much fanfare from UCLA and is paid very well at $700K per year with postseason bonus money to bring the total package close to $1Mil. She is 59-53 in the SEC and a pedestrian 132-93 overall. What is it with these underperforming Tenn players that the AD's want to keep them?

The article on her extension talks about the flexibility to buy her out at $200k per year left (3 years so 600K if they fire her in March). I also don't get it.
 
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I liked it better when we seemed to have a healthy 'fear/respect' of Baylor (just like ND). Now, we (the BY in general) may have swung the other way to overconfidence. :oops:
 
eebmg said:
I liked it better when we seemed to have a healthy 'fear/respect' of Baylor (just like ND). Now, we (the BY in general) may have swung the other way to overconfidence. :oops:
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Well today’s game prolly didn’t do much to cure that :eek:
 
SECbbfan24 said:
Baylor showing some fight this half but its hard to overcome a 17 point deficit.


On a positive, Smith will be a force for Baylor over the next 4 years.
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I believe that Geno recruited NaLyssa for a while at least.
 
DefenseBB said:
I am curious to hear your take as Fargas has not really done well by the former status of the program. She has however cleaned up the mess the former coach left. She came in with much fanfare from UCLA and is paid very well at $700K per year with postseason bonus money to bring the total package close to $1Mil. She is 59-53 in the SEC and a pedestrian 132-93 overall. What is it with these underperforming Tenn players that the AD's want to keep them?

The article on her extension talks about the flexibility to buy her out at $200k per year left (3 years so 600K if they fire her in March). I also don't get it.
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After the Pokey era scandal, LSU moved onto Van Chancellor

Van just wasn't a college coach. He recruited good players (Nationally ranked kids) but could never make it work. Nikki was considered an up and coming coach due to her short stint at UCLA. She improved UCLA for sure. Although a much closer look at it now, she had some significant recruiting issues at UCLA as well, and she left before the recruiting truly hit them hard.

At LSU her main success has been early on her first three seasons with the last coaches players, since then she has not accomplished anything with her own kids. She continuously gets knocked out the first round in the NCAAT every year. She recruits combo guards who can't shoot for defensive purposes.

We had some unfortunate luck with injuries but her practices are awful and so physical that kids get hurt too often. So I do blame them partially. LSU recruits kids and they either are getting suspended, injured or they transfer. Its been very routine for this program. Nikki unfortunately just isn't likable by anyone now. She was at first when she came to LSU but she has a big ego. Not sure if she has it just because she comes from the Pat Summitt bloodline but its been very bad. She has also alienated the boosters and fans on top of it. The attendance is awful, although its expected when the product on the floor is bad.

She is the definition of mediocre. She isn't losing seasons bad but she isn't doing what LSU paid her to do.


Oh and to demonstrate how incompetent she is. She didn't turn in the starting lineup today in time so Rutgers was shooting free throws before the tip off lol
 
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Baylor's only losses both last season and this season have been to Pac-12 teams:
  • lost today to Stanford
  • lost in Sweet 16 to Oregon State
  • lost in November 2017 to UCLA
Baylor last loss to a non-Pac-12 team was in OT to Mississippi State in the Elite 8 of the 2017 NCAAT.
 
DefenseBB said:
Double check that as Sabrina just turned 21 and I think you have to be 22 for the draft....
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She turns 22 in the calendar year of the draft. That’s the key. She is eligible to go.
 
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