Baylor (3) @ Stanford (11) - 12/15/18

[mbr33ct]

Really surprised at all the empty seats. For a top 15 match up the attendance was a mere 3,440.

 

[SCGamecock]

Does BTN or SEC Network provide free streams (to non-subscribers) of games that are broadcast on their network? I get BTN with my cable package, but not SEC. I don't know the answer, but I'm kinda thinking the answer is no. I'm sure Longhorn Network doesn't give stuff away for free.

If you want to be mad at somebody, be mad at ESPN for not picking the game up. They can broadcast any game they want to and are ahead of Pac 12 Network in the pecking order. So is Fox Sports.

Be mad at ESPN for a lot of things, but not this. Because the game was on Stanford’s home court, PAC 12 Network has first rights to it... ESPN could’ve picked it up (and likely would’ve) had they denied it. Same for Baylor, if the game was on their home court, FS1 likely would’ve picked the game up and if they didn’t, then ESPN would’ve picked the rights up... so if there is anybody to blame, blame the conferences for not aligning themselves with a network that can broadcast nationally.

Another example, South Carolina plays Purdue tomorrow AT Purdue.. Big Ten Network has first dibs, but turned it down for whatever reason and even then, I believe BTN is affiliated with FOX, so that game still could’ve ended up on a Fox network... but anyway, ESPN negotiated and picked it up and that game will be on ESPN2.

Closer to home, I believe SNY has some kind of dibs on UConn games, but those few games that are shown on SNY (usually AAC Conference games) are blacked out locally on ESPN but may be shown nationally on either ESPN’s linear OR non-linear network (WatchESPN/E3).

This also explains why you don’t run into these issues of being unable to watch a game with UConn/South Carolina/Louisville etc.. (ACC/SEC) schools.. because through their regional networks, ESPN has first dibs on those games and they’ll always take the big games from the SEC Network, the ACC Network (not linear yet, but ESPN has long had priority to ACC games) or SNY and place them on their national linear networks. ESPN doesn’t have that power over the Pac12 or Big 12 (minus Texas).

 

[UConnCat]

Be mad at ESPN for a lot of things, but not this. Because the game was on Stanford’s home court, PAC 12 Network has first rights to it... ESPN could’ve picked it up (and likely would’ve) had they denied it. Same for Baylor, if the game was on their home court, FS1 likely would’ve picked the game up and if they didn’t, then ESPN would’ve picked the rights up... so if there is anybody to blame, blame the conferences for not aligning themselves with a network that can broadcast nationally.

Another example, South Carolina plays Purdue tomorrow AT Purdue.. Big Ten Network has first dibs, but turned it down for whatever reason and even then, I believe BTN is affiliated with FOX, so that game still could’ve ended up on a Fox network... but anyway, ESPN negotiated and picked it up and that game will be on ESPN2.

Closer to home, I believe SNY has some kind of dibs on UConn games, but those few games that are shown on SNY (usually AAC Conference games) are blacked out locally on ESPN but may be shown nationally on either ESPN’s linear OR non-linear network (WatchESPN/E3).

This also explains why you don’t run into these issues of being unable to watch a game with UConn/South Carolina/Louisville etc.. (ACC/SEC) schools.. because through their regional networks, ESPN has first dibs on those games and they’ll always take the big games from the SEC Network, the ACC Network (not linear yet, but ESPN has long had priority to ACC games) or SNY and place them on their national linear networks. ESPN doesn’t have that power over the Pac12 or Big 12 (minus Texas).

What you've described is not accurate. Nowhere in these conference TV contracts does ESPN or Fox relinquish Tier 1 broadcast rights to a conference network. In fact, it's the exact opposite: the conference networks are left with whatever events ESPN and or Fox choose not to broadcast on one of their platforms.

For the PAC 12, ESPN has Tier 1 rights to women's basketball games. Those games not selected for broadcast on the ESPN platform will then be picked up by the PAC-12 network. In other words, ESPN could have selected the Stanford/Baylor game but chose instead to stick to its normal schedule of broadcasting men's college basketball on Saturday afternoons. If the game were played on Sunday I bet ESPN would have broadcast the game.

The same is true with the Big 10's deal. ESPN owns the Tier 1 rights to women's basketball (and olympic sports). Those events not chosen to appear on the ESPN platform will then be available for the BTN network.

SNY owns Tier 3 rights for UConn games. Tier 1 rights belong to ESPN. After ESPN is done selecting the games it wants to broadcast, CBS Sportsnet (Tier 2 rights) selects the games it wants to broadcast. SNY (ESPN3) gets what is left over.

 

[CocoHusky]

Frankly Kim has been slacking with her offense. She has been running the same dump it into the bigs offense since Griner. Spread the floor, keep them honest with a few outside shots, get it inside. She's lost since Griner for basically two reasons.

1) The defense effectively collapsed inside with 1 or 2 helpers and the outside shooters went cold. Since they were mostly shooters and not able to create off the dribble, and the hi/lo couldn't work with the log jam inside, they lost.
2) The big was effectively neutralized by the opposing big and the team could concentrate on the perimeter. Otherwise, see above.

From what I've seen she has never run an offense using high post screens, pick and roll. She's never run a guard oriented offense. She's never run an offense using any variation off a Princeton offense. She's never run an isolation offense using clear outs. Next year then she's going to have go out of her comfort zone and use one of these. I hope she bites the bullet and uses an option offense. This kind of offense wins, but not immediately. The others may get her to an FF (Maybe. Probably just an E8) but they don't win championships. We'll see.

Went back and watched UCONN Baylor from CDIII's freshmen year I conclude that this might be a skills issues.
It looked like Baylor tried to run some aspects of flex action to free up the wings Wallace and Prince. The problem is that the Baylor post players were so poor at setting the cross, up & down screens it actually was hurting Jones more than it was helping. After a while Jones started waving off the screens and went without it. The other aspect of that offensive is one of the post players must be a threat when you end up with a 2 X 3 configuration with a big and PG at the top. Mompremier and Davis started, Davis took one desperation shot from top of the key. When Brown and Cox came in the game Cox also only took one shot from about the same spot. Cave was actually Baylor's best post in this game. I have not watched Baylor vs Stanford game yet, it pains me greatly that Kalani brown is about to graduate and she has not mastered the skill of setting a good screen yet. ONO is learning she had two offensive fouls called on her setting screens this year so far. Knowing Geno and CDI ONO will have this mastered by Christmas break.

 

[Bama fan]

All day everyday. If Shepard loses 10 more pounds of fat, puts on 15-20 of muscle, works on her footwork and 10-15 footer that could be a 2nd team all star.

Damned with faint praise!

 

[Golden Husky]

Didn't see the game but doubt it could have been any more entertaining than the comments on this thread. JordyG, you're a pithy pleasure.

 

[JordyG]

Didn't see the game but doubt it could have been any more entertaining than the comments on this thread. JordyG, you're a pithy pleasure.

Thanks. But I'm pretty much a prime example of the adage, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

I was at a performance Thursday of my favorite singer Cecile McLorin Salvant at the Jazz Standard and I spoke to her at the bar afterwards. Yeah, jazz musicians are accessible and personable. She asked if I were a musician and I said, "No. But I've tried over the course of my life to become the best listener I can be". It's been the same with BB. I don't play, but I've tried to become the best watcher I can be. My secret is I cheat. I watch some games 4, 5, or 6 times. The ND game maybe 10 times this year. I slo-mo through sets, defensive series, watching body language, breaking down plays etc. I also try to lip read. And yeah, what Geno said was a continuation of the stuff he'd been saying to the ref all game and Arike heard maybe the 5th iteration of it. And yeah, when I say Christyn is a great offensive player, but gave up as many opportunities on defense as points she scored, it's true. She has work to do.

When Coco says Mulkey tried some flex action, tried is the key word. Running the flex is a continuity type offense and isn't as complicated as a Princeton style offense where you're taught the many offensive options off of every position. The flex has your 2 best ball handlers on the perimeter and you set the 3 others pretty much in a line with one under the hoop. The 3 must move and change positions in order to open the lane for cutters. In essence, widening the lane. It also depends on the 3 to set precise and timely screens. It takes practice, precision and commitment, and the 2 up top had better be good outside shooters as well as good ball handlers. If it's done slipshod it means your charges haven't practiced this formation very much. Mulkey decided on this as a resort option once her bigs proved so ineffective against Geno's sagging defense. Also Davis was and remains not a very good shooter. Mulkey lucked out with Smith who seems to be the best shooting forward she's had in 10 years. Something Cox should have been. I still hold out hope for her. The rest of her forwards are brick layers beyond 6-8 feet. Mulkey has some decisions to make next year.

 

[donalddoowop]

Jordy, you say CW gave up as many opportunities on defense as points scored, when Chong did that she went to the bench and did not become a starter again until her senior season. I know who replaced her but I always wondered what would have happened to her confidence if she had been give a chance to start the next game.

 

[chrissaran]

How can Baylor lose to Stanford? Tara is a fantastic coach, but there's more to it than that. Kim is less than the best. With all the talent she's had she's won only two NCs. Yes, it's more than many other coaches. Those other coaches didn't have 6'8" Britney Griner and Odyssey Sims.

 

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[nwhoopfan]

I didn't recognize Appel.

Some of those highlights from Dodson, you'd think she's a dominant player. She's got all the physical tools. I keep waiting for her to become as productive as I think she should be. Not yet.

 

[Shades]

 

[MilfordHusky]

I didn't recognize Appel.

Some of those highlights from Dodson, you'd think she's a dominant player. She's got all the physical tools. I keep waiting for her to become as productive as I think she should be. Not yet.

Jayne went on Weight Watchers with her mom when she was a freshman/sophomore at Stanford. She got more fit and became an All-American player. Her last year or two in the WNBA, she was substantially heavier, to the point that I didn't recognize her at first. I think she has a genetic pre-disposition to a big body. I hope she can stay healthy.

 

[Reypl21]

How can Baylor lose to Stanford? Tara is a fantastic coach, but there's more to it than that. Kim is less than the best. With all the talent she's had she's won only two NCs. Yes, it's more than many other coaches. Those other coaches didn't have 6'8" Britney Griner and Odyssey Sims.

I am in the same boat as you. Tara is a great coach. I have never been impressed with Kim. Tara can put together game plans that can beat many opponents. Kim is a one-trick pony, that can't adjust midgame.

 

[SECbbfan24]

I am in the same boat as you. Tara is a great coach. I have never been impressed with Kim. Tara can put together game plans that can beat many opponents. Kim is a one-trick pony, that can't adjust midgame.

I don't think Kim is a bad coach but her style of play on the offensive end and playing with two "Bigs" who want to live in the paint is a matchup problem vs athletic teams who can really shoot (Stanford). Defensively its hard for those bigs to get out on the perimeter to defend. No offense to cox and brown, they just aren't the quickest kids.

The offense heavily relies on lobbing it up to Brown/Cox in the paint and just use their size to try to score at will. I believe Baylor should do that with their weapons but it shouldn't be their only means to score and work on offense. Not a lot of motion offense or using screens and pick and rolls. Its a bit stagnant, its hard to get shooters in rhythm as well. They did run some screens and other play action. in the 2nd half with some success, they clawed their way back but a 17 point deficit with your star player giving you nothing is almost impossible to overcome.

The lack of a true PG that commands the court doesn't help either. Jackson is a great player in her own right but Morris was a big blow due to her ability to organize/distribute on offense much better. Also Morris provides a threat from 3, which Jackson doesn't really shoot any.

Baylor is gonna steam roll through the Big 12 but the problems Baylor saw vs Stanford could come back to haunt them in the NCAAT without some proper adjustments. Baylor will definitely be different losing Brown next year and having Smith instead. I think Kim needs to adjust her style of play on the offensive end. They have extremely talented/gifted kids.

 

[Golden Husky]

Thanks. But I'm pretty much a prime example of the adage, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

I was at a performance Thursday of my favorite singer Cecile McLorin Salvant at the Jazz Standard and I spoke to her at the bar afterwards. Yeah, jazz musicians are accessible and personable. She asked if I were a musician and I said, "No. But I've tried over the course of my life to become the best listener I can be". It's been the same with BB. I don't play, but I've tried to become the best watcher I can be. My secret is I cheat. I watch some games 4, 5, or 6 times. The ND game maybe 10 times this year. I slo-mo through sets, defensive series, watching body language, breaking down plays etc. I also try to lip read. And yeah, what Geno said was a continuation of the stuff he'd been saying to the ref all game and Arike heard maybe the 5th iteration of it. And yeah, when I say Christyn is a great offensive player, but gave up as many opportunities on defense as points she scored, it's true. She has work to do.

When Coco says Mulkey tried some flex action, tried is the key word. Running the flex is a continuity type offense and isn't as complicated as a Princeton style offense where you're taught the many offensive options off of every position. The flex has your 2 best ball handlers on the perimeter and you set the 3 others pretty much in a line with one under the hoop. The 3 must move and change positions in order to open the lane for cutters. In essence, widening the lane. It also depends on the 3 to set precise and timely screens. It takes practice, precision and commitment, and the 2 up top had better be good outside shooters as well as good ball handlers. If it's done slipshod it means your charges haven't practiced this formation very much. Mulkey decided on this as a resort option once her bigs proved so ineffective against Geno's sagging defense. Also Davis was and remains not a very good shooter. Mulkey lucked out with Smith who seems to be the best shooting forward she's had in 10 years. Something Cox should have been. I still hold out hope for her. The rest of her forwards are brick layers beyond 6-8 feet. Mulkey has some decisions to make next year.

Have to admit, when you wrote "flex" I thought of Tom Landry.

 

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[Shades]

 

[eebmg]

Maybe these face guards should be part of the normal uniform. (with Sue Bird getting some royalties of course)

On a semi serious note, I wonder if the defense plays a little less aggressively when an opposing player has a face guard?

 

[skilz]

She hasn't been the same player this year, not sure why. Cox isn't playing to her potential as well, I'm sure her illness is having an impact. Its not easy I'm sure.

I think Mulkey moving forward needs to find an offense than is not just lob it up to the bigs. Not that you shouldn't ever do it but its literally the same thing every time down the floor. The offense isn't moving, kids aren't cutting or screening. Baylor has some great players, the freshmen in particular offer a lot. The bigs are very athletic as well. They need to start using the ball screens more. The offense is predictable and isn't a recipe to work consistently vs top teams. Not that Baylor is a bad team, they are very good but have some significant flaws that need to be addressed.

Losing Morris was a major blow. She was a true PG, she shoots the 3 ball and commanded the offense much better.

Maybe this game can be a wake up call but some of the same issues we saw today are the same ones that have plagued Baylor in the post season over the years, and it still hasn't been addressed.

Cox was sick for this game.

 

[Plebe]

Cox was sick for this game.

I notice a pattern. She missed last year's UCLA trip as well.

 

[skilz]

I notice a pattern. She missed last year's UCLA trip as well.

Seems as though the heavy work load during the first half of the season does play a part in her health. For the most part, she and the team doctors do a good job at keeping her healthy during the season, however, seems she may need a break during this time of the year. It can't be easy on her and I give her all the credit in the world for the way she pushes through her disease. She is an extraordinary focused girl.

 

[eebmg]

Alanna Smith ESPNw player of the week.

Stanford's Smith is espnW's player of the week