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Badass award vs. DePaul

oldude said:
Danger gets the nod. She is the best point guard in the country right now
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I'm going to assume you've never heard of Kelsey Mitchell, Asia Durr or Brooke McCarty?
 
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Scoop said:
Our next opponent Oklahoma, is going to have nightmares when they see this game tape and try to prepare for us.
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They lost to DePaul, 111-108.
 
MilfordHusky said:
When Maya or Kaleena shot, I expected everyone to go in. I'm getting to that point with both Kia and Crystal.
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Milford , I agree 100%. The Husky backcourt is playing lights out. Who does the other team double? Both are nailing it from the outside.

GO HUSKIES!
 
The one wrinkle in all of this is that out of 7 recruits for the last two years, Crystal is the only one GA trusts with Megan next. That’s not a great sign. Two kids didn’t play at all in a major blow out with one having been a presumed capable pg. It’s only December, so hopefully we’ll see more from a few more of them. Blow outs will be pretty frequent with this scary good crew. Crystal is clearly way ahead of MoJeffs scoring ability so early. She reminds me a bit of Ivory Latta (?) with much less pressure to be the main threat.
 
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iamcbs said:
I'm going to assume you've never heard of Kelsey Mitchell, Asia Durr or Brooke McCarty?
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Your assumption is incorrect of course. The three players you name are all great scorers, but none of them can run an offense and set up their teammates like Danger imo. Danger is a true pg. Her decision making is brilliant and she makes everyone on her team better.

A lot of folks thought Jordan Canada would outplay Danger, but that wasn’t the case. Looking forward to seeing Danger vs TX & Lou.
 
oldude said:
Your assumption is incorrect of course. The three players you name are all great scorers, but none of them can run an offense and set up their teammates like Danger imo. Danger is a true pg. Her decision making is brilliant and she makes everyone on her team better.

A lot of folks thought Jordan Canada would outplay Danger, but that wasn’t the case. Looking forward to seeing Danger vs TX & Lou.
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Canada did outplay Dangerfield, UCLA just didn't win the game. If you're evaluating individual players just evaluate the player not what the team does. Crystal Dangerfield is a wonderful player and will only get better but the hyperbole doesn't help. Destiny Slocumb completely outplayed Dangerfield last year when Connecticut played Maryland and no one touted Slocumb as the best PG in the country.
 
iamcbs said:
Canada did outplay Dangerfield, UCLA just didn't win the game. If you're evaluating individual players just evaluate the player not what the team does. Crystal Dangerfield is a wonderful player and will only get better but the hyperbole doesn't help. Destiny Slocumb completely outplayed Dangerfield last year when Connecticut played Maryland and no one touted Slocumb as the best PG in the country.
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Slocum won the award as the best freshman in the nation. Even as a freshman, she was one of the best PGs in the country. Dangerfield was still learning last year. She’s a completely different player this year. When Geno says he looks for the future great PG for USA Basketball and sees Crystal at the top of the list, I trust his judgment.
 
MilfordHusky said:
They lost to DePaul, 111-108.
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111-108. That looks like an old fashion "shootout" to me. :eek: Either BOTH teams were red hot, or it was like an NBA All-Star game..........NOBODY played any defense. :cool:
 
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MilfordHusky said:
Slocum won the award as the best freshman in the nation. Even as a freshman, she was one of the best PGs in the country. Dangerfield was still learning last year. She’s a completely different player this year. When Geno says he looks for the future great PG for USA Basketball and sees Crystal at the top of the list, I trust his judgment.
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Correct!!! Look at the leap that Dangerous made from last year to now. She'll be that much better next year, and THAT thought should scare the hell out of UConn's opponents next year. Slocum started for Maryland last year. Obviously she was not coached the same as Crystal was, and the environment was different. Example: Look at the way Azura is being coached now, and how she is being asked to do different things than she was for 2 years at Duke, and she's still adjusting to those changes at 21 years old.

Slocum may have been a better player than Crystal. Because she started, and got a lot more playing time, that allowed her to develop and mature faster than Dangerfield did because Crystal was confined to getting 6th man minutes. Now Slocum is in limbo at Oregon State as she sits out the year to comply to the NCAA transfer rule, and Dangerfield has caught up, she may have passed her.

Most juniors are very comfortable in their 3rd year. There are no unknowns, no surprises. They know the system and the plays, and they make much better decisions at that point then they did as freshmen. They know they can play at that level, and they know exactly what their coach wants and expects from them. So it's just about imposing their will on their opponents, and continuing to hone their skills. There are some good to very good point guards right now in division one WCBB. I hesitate on using the adjective "great" here.

In my opinion, Jordan Canada is in the top 3 this year. Dangerfield is easily in the top 5 (and rising fast). Don't be surprised to see Crystal continue to mature and be perceived as one of the top 3 in division one.

I believe she has been put on the Nancy Liberman watch list for this season has she not? Depending on the skill level of the players around them, pg's may be asked/expected to do different things on different teams. i.e, Kelsey Mitchell does not have 4 "All-Americans" on the floor with her that Dangerfield does, so her coach (Kevin McGuff) is going to want/expect different things from her, than Geno does from Dangerous.

Crystal is on the floor with 4 other players who can easily score in double figures every night, Mitchell is not. A good way to determine who the best pg's are is try and figure the order they would go in the WNBA draft if they were all eligible. Sometimes stats, or won/loss totals can be misleading and don't really reveal a player's true worth and ability. As we all know, many times a player will do things that don't show up in the box score or on a stat sheet, but they can be still the heart and soul of their team i.e, Alana Beard - Los Angeles Sparks. You couldn't pry her away from head coach Brian Agler with the jaws of life. He knows her value.
 
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HoopsFan21 said:
I do think Mo was a better defender at this point compared to Crystal Dangerfield, and it wasn't really until her junior year that Mo started showing off her scoring skills. Remember even into her junior year she was still being left open and dared to shoot from the perimeter.
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Mo was a fabulous defender and spent the entire summer of her riding junior year working on her 3point shot. When she started to demonstrate that the lane opened up for ridiculous drives and she became the best point since Sue.
 
VAMike23 said:
I forgot to mention that in true Badass tradition, she caught the business end of a very hard screen in the face and head during the first half but did not waver
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IIRC, she left a game last season after a similar screen. It’s quite possible that her added strength saved her from a similar fate last night.

Agree she deserves the badass, and also that the core seven played really well. It was nice to see KLS at apparent full strength and Pheesa shooting 8-11. I am still worried about Gabby’s tendency to pass the ball to nobody in particular, which she did 3-4 times last night. I’m hopeful that that’s due to still learning new movement patterns rather than foggy headedness.
 
Dangerfield is making a statement this year. She is not to be left unguarded from the outside.
All of her three point shooting is just baiting the other team. She will blow by them with her speed soon enough.
 
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iamcbs said:
Canada did outplay Dangerfield, UCLA just didn't win the game. If you're evaluating individual players just evaluate the player not what the team does. Crystal Dangerfield is a wonderful player and will only get better but the hyperbole doesn't help. Destiny Slocumb completely outplayed Dangerfield last year when Connecticut played Maryland and no one touted Slocumb as the best PG in the country.
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Canada did not outplay Dangerfield.
 
iamcbs said:
Opinions vary!!
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Tell me why you think Canada outplayed Dangerfield. I like my point guards composed and in charge. Not taking wild shots and trying to do too much. I was at the game. CD was in charge of her squad. Canada was trying to be the savior and it didn’t workout.
 
iamcbs said:
Canada did outplay Dangerfield, UCLA just didn't win the game. If you're evaluating individual players just evaluate the player not what the team does. Crystal Dangerfield is a wonderful player and will only get better but the hyperbole doesn't help. Destiny Slocumb completely outplayed Dangerfield last year when Connecticut played Maryland and no one touted Slocumb as the best PG in the country.
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Canada was an abysmal 5-16 shooting the ball with 4 TO’s vs UConn. We’re going to have to disagree on who outplayed who.

I’m not sure how the MD game last year has anything to do with my comment about Danger’s play this year. FYI, Danger didn’t even start the game vs MD last year. Saniya did and played 32 minutes.
 
HoopsFan21 said:
Have to agree. Crystal Dangerfield is ahead of Mo. It wasn't until the season went along that we started getting a glimpse of what Mo was going to be whereas there's little doubt Crystal Dangerfield has arrived as a premier WCBB point guard already.
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Personal opinion, Mo was superior due to her shut down defense. Crystal Dangerfield making spectacular 3's but Mo could create greater point differential by taking out the best guard on other team. Not sure why most of the Board focus solely on offensive performance. Thrilled we are having this discussion due to CD's major jump this year.
 
I don’t think it’s the offensive performance the board is focused on. I think it’s the composure and maturity CD is showing. She controls the tempo and gets players organized on the court like a season vet!
 
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Ozimoto said:
I concur. Chrystal was in control during the madness last night and did very well.
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All of us including Geno feel better when the ball is in Crystal's hands. :)
 
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MDoggie said:
I don’t think it’s the offensive performance the board is focused on. I think it’s the composure and maturity CD is showing. She controls the tempo and gets players organized on the court like a season vet!
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......................and exposes and takes advantage of a team's defensive weakness or lapses.
 
Ozimoto said:
I concur. Chrystal was in control during the madness last night and did very well.
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One of Crystal's jobs as the PG was to not let the team get caught up in the craziness of DePaul Ball, as Geno put it. I recall Moriah saying that the other team would play at the pace she decided. In looking at the highlights, I think that Crystal seems to be involved in about half of them.
 
I definitely think CD is in the top point guard discussion along with Canada ,Durr, Mitchell( although not clear she is really a point guard), and possibly McCarty(haven't seen her play in a while)....but IMO you have to start the conversation with Sabrina Ionescu. If SI was a husky she would be a badass regular and viewed as the next Bird.
 
rugbymate said:
I definitely think CD is in the top point guard discussion along with Canada ,Durr, Mitchell( although not clear she is really a point guard), and possibly McCarty(haven't seen her play in a while)....but IMO you have to start the conversation with Sabrina Ionescu. If SI was a husky she would be a badass regular and viewed as the next Bird.
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I forget the term Geno used in the tourney last year, but I think he called Sabrina a "handful." I believe that Kara Lawson said the 2nd best PG in 2016 was Canada and that she was the best last year. Plum won the Lieberman Award.

Excluding Slocum, who is not playing this season, here's a list of many of the best PGs. I'll probably forget at least one, so feel free to supplement it:

Canada
Mitchell
Durr
McCarty
Ionescu
Dangerfield
Brown (Lexie)
Carter?
Others?

While N.D. has some really good players, I think their only true PG is Lili Thomson, and I'd put her behind Lindsay Allen and the players listed here.
 
bags27 said:
Liked them all. Thought one of Z's blocks could have been hit up rather than in the stands; she'll learn.

Seriously, has anyone ever made a more impressive sophomore leap than Crystal? It's one thing to show consistent improvement throughout the sophomore year, but Crystal shows up at the beginning of the season as a top-notch point.
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Some day she'll (Z) be like a terrible Uconn post, Kiah Stokes; who tipped or took the rebound with a RARE swat into the stand (probably for effect). I read that Stoke does almost OK in the Pro's.
Yes, I think Moriah did the leap, if it can be considered that, both were more than good as HS, and Frosh, both were not trusted by Geno as Frosh (or so it has been reported) apparently the Guards at the end of her Frosh year asked Geno to trust to trust her (Moriah) apparently Geno Trusts Danger this year.
I'm biased towards both, and always thought them top guards--and scoring machines. I'm more than pleased Danger is getting recognition for her game and especially that Geno is teaching her between timeouts in nearly every game--big plus.
 
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