B1G

[btstimpy]

That does not answer the question: "If the ACC blew up - for whatever reason - would UVa prefer SEC or B1G?"

Given that only the B1G sponsors enough sports to fit the UVA athletic department's sports portfolio, it would have to be the B1G. But the ACC isn't blowing up. It's stronger than at any time of its existence.

I'm still curious who wanted the SEC though. UVA would get killed in football in the SEC, the basketball is terrible other than a couple of teams, and soccer, lacrosse, etc. would be hung out to dry. As for football, most UVA fans know that we need to figure out how to win in the ACC again before doing anything. This may require a new coach.

 

[Huskybite]

Thank you for that. Just needed to be said.

Unlike some on this blog, I highly respect Stimpy's perspective. Nevertheless, as a fellow representative of his Ivy "club", I feel that there's little room or need for judgement of others when your "rules" of association seem to change to best suit the situation. Is it academic prowess or is it business (Louisville) that UVA values? Mean what you say and say what you mean.

 

[Lynwood Rowe]

Given that only the B1G sponsors enough sports to fit the UVA athletic department's sports portfolio, it would have to be the B1G. But the ACC isn't blowing up. It's stronger than at any time of its existence.

I'm still curious who wanted the SEC though. UVA would get killed in football in the SEC, the basketball is terrible other than a couple of teams, and soccer, lacrosse, etc. would be hung out to dry. As for football, most UVA fans know that we need to figure out how to win in the ACC again before doing anything. This may require a new coach.

Yes, yes, yes... the ACC is "stronger than at any time of its existence." Notwithstanding the fact this statement is simply not true, please feel free to keep repeating it as often as you like... or need.

 

[bingethinker]

If this is the case, someone needs to inform the ACC. This is right out of the transcript of John Swofford's opening remarks at the Basketball Media day on October 29, 2014, last week:

" I continue to be very proud of our collective member institutions and their student athletes. The academic
accomplishments on an annual basis again show that the ACC leads the way among the power five conferences. The
annual U.S. News and World Report Survey of Best Colleges, released in September and their member institutions,
once again, led the way with an average rank of 54.8. This marks the 8th straight year that the ACC has led the power five conferences.
Our student athletes also excelled recently in NCAA graduation success rates. As teams from the ACC rank among the top Division I institutions with an average graduation rate of 88 percent. While the NCAA graduation rate is 82
percent nationally. "

Louisville did lower the ACC average to become closer to the B1G, but the ACC remains the second highest academically only behind the Ivy League, who isn't Power 5.

What's the B1G's average? Any idea?

 

[Hoophound]

When the smoke clears, the ACC will be the island of misfit toys. I hope we are on it only if we don't have a better island to land on. Somehow I feel like they are being played and as a Big East fan, I know how that feels. The ACC isn't well thought out and it isn't built for the long term. If they can lure Texas and ND,
then forget what I just said.

 

[Lynwood Rowe]

When the smoke clears, the ACC will be the island of misfit toys. I hope we are on it only if we don't have a better island to land on. Somehow I feel like they are being played and as a Big East fan, I know how that feels. The ACC isn't well thought out and it isn't built for the long term. If they can lure Texas and ND,
then forget what I just said.

Texas is not a cultural fit, ND won't join. Think you are correct: "The ACC isn't well thought out and it isn't built for the long term." Keep it quiet though...don't want the guy from UVa to hear.

 

[CL82]

If this is the case, someone needs to inform the ACC. This is right out of the transcript of John Swofford's opening remarks at the Basketball Media day on October 29, 2014, last week:

" I continue to be very proud of our collective member institutions and their student athletes. The academic
accomplishments on an annual basis again show that the ACC leads the way among the power five conferences. The
annual U.S. News and World Report Survey of Best Colleges, released in September and their member institutions,
once again, led the way with an average rank of 54.8. This marks the 8th straight year that the ACC has led the power five conferences.
Our student athletes also excelled recently in NCAA graduation success rates. As teams from the ACC rank among the top Division I institutions with an average graduation rate of 88 percent. While the NCAA graduation rate is 82
percent nationally. "

Louisville did lower the ACC average to become closer to the B1G, but the ACC remains the second highest academically only behind the Ivy League, who isn't Power 5.

Do you really expect him to say something like:

"I am deeply ashamed that one of our founding universities has been participating in a near two decade long academic fraud that questions not only its athletic integrity but, indeed, its academic integrity as well. My shame is in no way lessened by the fact that this fraud began while I was the athletic director of that university. To be honest, I don't sleep well at night thinking about the shame that has been heaped upon a once great institution. But UNC is not alone in the the threat of sanctions. Syracuse University is also being investigated for a decade long, or quite possibly longer, history of improper benefits and the hiding of those benefits from the NCAA. That's two of our top basketball schools that may well have to vacate a combined 3 national championships. The shame of that is just staggering. One the plus side, however, the ratings of a game involving a glorified community college and a school with an apparent willful cover up of a rape did quite well. So, um, at least there's that." ​

I didn't. I would expect him to tout conference academics while he can. It is tougher to make those claims when one of your universities has lost accreditation.

 

[Huskybite]

Texas is not a cultural fit, ND won't join. Think you are correct: "The ACC isn't well thought out and it isn't built for the long term." Keep it quiet though...don't want the guy from UVa to hear.

Aside from its original Carolina core (and maybe UVA and UMCP), the genesis of the ACC has been more reactive, rather than proactive. Despite attempts at appearing as a united front, the disparate amalgamation of distinct types of academic models with differing missions (public, private, small, large, southern, northern, research-AAU, non-AAU, Catholic, non-sectarian) will be difficult to maintain long-term.

 

[pj]

What's the B1G's average? Any idea?

Before Louisville replaced Maryland, this site (http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...nkings-of-top-six-football-conferences-092012) gave an ACC average of 51.2 and a B1G average of 57.5. The current USNWR list includes UConn at #58 among national universities, Maryland at #62, and Louisville at #161 (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/data/page 6). So after Louisville-for-Maryland swap the ACC lose 99 spots / 14 schools or 7.1 off its average so we'd have ACC about 58.3 behind the B1G's 57.5.

Of course if you ranked based on graduate metrics instead of USNWR, the B1G would be way ahead.

 

[billybud]

Folks use rating scales that they think put them in a good light.

When in school, I didn't like the fact that in big boy school, I never got excellent in "attendance". They didn't give a damn as long as you could ace the tests. I always could nail that old attendance grade in middle school though.

Talking football? Well....let's talk academics instead. Everybody falls for it but SEC fans...who just snort and rumble on..... secure in their certitude of what really counts in a sports conference. And that they bottle it.

 

[btstimpy]

Do you really expect him to say something like:

"I am deeply ashamed that one of our founding universities has been participating in a near two decade long academic fraud that questions not only its athletic integrity but, indeed, its academic integrity as well. My shame is in no way lessened by the fact that this fraud began while I was the athletic director of that university. To be honest, I don't sleep well at night thinking about the shame that has been heaped upon a once great institution. But UNC is not alone in the the threat of sanctions. Syracuse University is also being investigated for a decade long, or quite possibly longer, history of improper benefits and the hiding of those benefits from the NCAA. That's two of our top basketball schools that may well have to vacate a combined 3 national championships. The shame of that is just staggering. One the plus side, however, the ratings of a game involving a glorified community college and a school with an apparent willful cover up of a rape did quite well. So, um, at least there's that." ​

I didn't. I would expect him to tout conference academics while he can. It is tougher to make those claims when one of your universities has lost accreditation.

No I didn't, and he didn't.

 

[Fishy]

The ACC is a cesspool right now.

Syracuse, Florida State, North Carolina, Miami, Georgia Tech....their house is not in order.

 

[btstimpy]

Before Louisville replaced Maryland, this site (http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...nkings-of-top-six-football-conferences-092012) gave an ACC average of 51.2 and a B1G average of 57.5. The current USNWR list includes UConn at #58 among national universities, Maryland at #62, and Louisville at #161 (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/data/page 6). So after Louisville-for-Maryland swap the ACC lose 99 spots / 14 schools or 7.1 off its average so we'd have ACC about 58.3 behind the B1G's 57.5.

Of course if you ranked based on graduate metrics instead of USNWR, the B1G would be way ahead.

The ACC is at 54.8. Swofford wouldn't use an incorrect number that all in the room could disprove by simply running an average calculation. The ACC has 15 members competing in at least 15 sports each, so you must have left someone out. That looks about right for the B1G.

 

[btstimpy]

Aside from its original Carolina core (and maybe UVA and UMCP), the genesis of the ACC has been more reactive, rather than proactive. Despite attempts at appearing as a united front, the disparate amalgamation of distinct types of academic models with differing missions (public, private, small, large, southern, northern, research-AAU, non-AAU, Catholic, non-sectarian) will be difficult to maintain long-term.

I have to admit I was a little worried about the North - South culture difference being an issue. It hasn't been. The public - private has worked for 60 years just fine. No worries there. Catholic is relatively new, so we'll see how that goes. BC has been here a decade, and now we have Notre Dame. So far it's going fine. None of the new members have had to be fined by the league or have their ADs apologize to everyone in their first season as a member for bad behavior. Louisville hasn't completed their's yet, but no problems so far. The ACC is used to diversity this way where another league might not be.

 

[bingethinker]

I have to admit I was a little worried about the North - South culture difference being an issue. It hasn't been. The public - private has worked for 60 years just fine. No worries there. Catholic is relatively new, so we'll see how that goes. BC has been here a decade, and now we have Notre Dame. So far it's going fine. None of the new members have had to be fined by the league or have their ADs apologize to everyone in their first season as a member for bad behavior. Louisville hasn't completed their's yet, but no problems so far. The ACC is used to diversity this way where another league might not be.

I'm pointing out your Maryland pot shot because you've said in the past that you don't take them. Why is Maryland constantly on your radar?

 

[bingethinker]

Aside from its original Carolina core (and maybe UVA and UMCP), the genesis of the ACC has been more reactive, rather than proactive. Despite attempts at appearing as a united front, the disparate amalgamation of distinct types of academic models with differing missions (public, private, small, large, southern, northern, research-AAU, non-AAU, Catholic, non-sectarian) will be difficult to maintain long-term.

This is exactly why I lost faith in the ACC. Though I suppose the same holds true for a number of leagues, there's literally no singular thing connecting current ACC schools other than playing in the ACC. I kinda like that Big Ten schools share similar profiles.

 

[pj]

The ACC is at 54.8. Swofford wouldn't use an incorrect number that all in the room could disprove by simply running an average calculation. The ACC has 15 members competing in at least 15 sports each, so you must have left someone out. That looks about right for the B1G.

It sounded like he was using last year's numbers, pre-Louisville.

 

[btstimpy]

I'm pointing out your Maryland pot shot because you've said in the past that you don't take them. Why is Maryland constantly on your radar?

I have yet to watch any Maryland sporting event on television all year. I listen to Sirius XM College Sports Channel 91 in the car. Earlier in the Week they talked about the Big Ten fining Maryland for unsportsmanlike something, and the Rutgers AD had to publicly apologize for lewd signs a month ago at football game. My point is that we have not had to endure crap like this with the new ACC members, at least not yet.

 

[btstimpy]

Folks use rating scales that they think put them in a good light.

When in school, I didn't like the fact that in big boy school, I never got excellent in "attendance". They didn't give a damn as long as you could ace the tests. I always could nail that old attendance grade in middle school though.

Talking football? Well....let's talk academics instead. Everybody falls for it but SEC fans...who just snort and rumble on..... secure in their certitude of what really counts in a sports conference. And that they bottle it.

The SEC bottles it in football, baseball, and I'll give them tennis and golf. My point is that forcing South Carolina and Kentucky to stuff their soccer teams in Conference USA and forcing Florida and Vanderbilt to stuff their lacrosse teams in the Big East is rather pathetic for a Power 5 Conference to be doing. Maybe the ACC could invite those 4 programs to join like the Big Ten did with Johns Hopkins for lacrosse. But then again the SEC would probably flip out if the ACC did so. Everyone seems to be waiting on what the Power 5 is going to do with the rules anyway. That may change a lot of stuff.

 

[auggie22]

UVA would be pulled down academically if they went anywhere different other than the Ivy League. And the Ivy League has chosen to not be a FBS level league, so they aren't an option. UVA plays many members of the Ivy League on a regular basis in soccer and lacrosse, so we'll have to settle for that as the best we can do for athletic association with them.

I was curious reading his post as to who from UVA was pushing SEC. That seemed interesting. There might be some football fans that would like it temporarily, but UVA isn't a football factory and would have a horrible time in that league just like Kentucky does.

Probably beside the point, but UVa would be deciding to join the IVY league in much the same way that I would be deciding to Mary a star billionaire,

 

[Fishy]

I have yet to watch any Maryland sporting event on television all year. I listen to Sirius XM College Sports Channel 91 in the car. Earlier in the Week they talked about the Big Ten fining Maryland for unsportsmanlike something, and the Rutgers AD had to publicly apologize for lewd signs a month ago at football game. My point is that we have not had to endure crap like this with the new ACC members, at least not yet.

Are you familiar with Syracuse University?

They've had a bit of trouble and the least offensive story about your current flag bearer involved their quarterback yelling, "F--- her right in the p---sy!" in the middle of the student union.

But sure, worry about Maryland and Rutgers.

You're too stupid to post here - please stop.

 

[auggie22]

And I don't think they would hesitate on the whole fbs thing, if an offer was pending.

 

[Lynwood Rowe]

Are you familiar with Syracuse University?

They've had a bit of trouble and the least offensive story about your current flag bearer involved their quarterback yelling, "F--- her right in the p---sy!" in the middle of the student union.

But sure, worry about Maryland and Rutgers.

You're too stupid to post here - please stop.

"You're too stupid to post here - please stop"

Last time I pulled that pj charged me $45 million and secured BTN television rights for UConn football. Be careful Fishy !

 

[Pat125]

Do you really expect him to say something like:

"I am deeply ashamed that one of our founding universities has been participating in a near two decade long academic fraud that questions not only its athletic integrity but, indeed, its academic integrity as well. My shame is in no way lessened by the fact that this fraud began while I was the athletic director of that university. To be honest, I don't sleep well at night thinking about the shame that has been heaped upon a once great institution. But UNC is not alone in the the threat of sanctions. Syracuse University is also being investigated for a decade long, or quite possibly longer, history of improper benefits and the hiding of those benefits from the NCAA. That's two of our top basketball schools that may well have to vacate a combined 3 national championships. The shame of that is just staggering. One the plus side, however, the ratings of a game involving a glorified community college and a school with an apparent willful cover up of a rape did quite well. So, um, at least there's that." ​

I didn't. I would expect him to tout conference academics while he can. It is tougher to make those claims when one of your universities has lost accreditation.

It's no surprise that Swofford would tout the USNWR rankings, since the ACC comes out ahead, just as Delany might tout the USNWR global rankings. This serves both conferences well in terms of their academic associations and missions.

As to which criteria is more relevant to the academics of student-athletes, the answer is neither. For example, despite having an excellent USNWR ranking, UNC apparently has admitted students unqualified for high school, and relied on academic fraud to keep these students eligible. I suspect Swofford hasn't factored the fraud when highlighting graduation rates and general student-athlete academic accomplishments.

 

[CL82]

No I didn't, and he didn't.

Well not out loud, but you know he's got to be thinking it.

 

[Huskybite]

It's no surprise that Swofford would tout the USNWR rankings, since the ACC comes out ahead, just as Delany might tout the USNWR global rankings. This serves both conferences well in terms of their academic associations and missions.

As to which criteria is more relevant to the academics of student-athletes, the answer is neither. For example, despite having an excellent USNWR ranking, UNC apparently has admitted students unqualified for high school, and relied on academic fraud to keep these students eligible. I suspect Swofford hasn't factored the fraud when highlighting graduation rates and general student-athlete academic accomplishments.

...and this and this alone, undoubtedly sticks in the craw of the Wahoos of UVA--as it should.

 

[Pat125]

I have yet to watch any Maryland sporting event on television all year. I listen to Sirius XM College Sports Channel 91 in the car. Earlier in the Week they talked about the Big Ten fining Maryland for unsportsmanlike something, and the Rutgers AD had to publicly apologize for lewd signs a month ago at football game. My point is that we have not had to endure crap like this with the new ACC members, at least not yet.

This "crap" smells like a bed of roses compared to what is stinking to high heaven with the shenanigans at UNC, Syracuse, and FSU. If we are only counting new members, ND hasn't exactly avoided the crap factor. And the verdict is still out as to how much stink will emanate from the Louisville arena deal.

 

[Lynwood Rowe]

I have yet to watch any Maryland sporting event on television all year. I listen to Sirius XM College Sports Channel 91 in the car. Earlier in the Week they talked about the Big Ten fining Maryland for unsportsmanlike something, and the Rutgers AD had to publicly apologize for lewd signs a month ago at football game. My point is that we have not had to endure crap like this with the new ACC members, at least not yet.

This Maryland business at PSU was nothing...I watched the game. I thought it was great, Maryland pumped up for a B1G game against a border state rival. Maryland played reasonably well and won. Kids and coaches were excited. Good stuff. The pre-game nonsense was just a bunch of bravado...kids jacked for the game. Good for you, Maryland. Quality win. Keep that edge. pj will pay your fines.

Didn't see the Rutgers problem. However, if 'the problem' was nasty signs directed at PSU, I may not have a problem with that.

 

[Ldandy]

I have yet to watch any Maryland sporting event on television all year. I listen to Sirius XM College Sports Channel 91 in the car. Earlier in the Week they talked about the Big Ten fining Maryland for unsportsmanlike something, and the Rutgers AD had to publicly apologize for lewd signs a month ago at football game. My point is that we have not had to endure crap like this with the new ACC members, at least not yet.

Let's pretend for the sake of arguement that you didn't know the difference between the situation with Rutgers/UMD v. PSU compared to ND/Louisville v. the entire ACC. On one hand you have 2 schools both looking for respect, and looking to spark a rivalry with a school that slapped both of them silly for over a century. What happended while disgusting(Rutgers) and unfortunate (MD) were not that shocking. If someting similar were to occur surrounding either of The ACC's new additions versus any of the existing members would be both disappointing and perplexing.

 

[bingethinker]

Let's pretend for the sake of arguement that you didn't know the difference between the situation with Rutgers/UMD v. PSU compared to ND/Louisville v. the entire ACC. On one hand you have 2 schools both looking for respect, and looking to spark a rivalry with a school that slapped both of them silly for over a century. What happended while disgusting(Rutgers) and unfortunate (MD) were not that shocking. If someting similar were to occur surrounding either of The ACC's new additions versus any of the existing members would be both disappointing and perplexing.

Penn State is just so....ugh. First, James Franklin said he owns the state of Maryland and that the Terps should shut down their football program, the program he wanted to take lead before Edsall was hired. Then, Penn State's soccer coach claimed it was "disrespectful" to the other B1G coaches and programs for Maryland, this decade's winningest college soccer program and this year's Big Ten champion, to be picked to win the regular season title. PSU thinks the newbies will roll over in awe and haven't so far.