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[brasssbonanzaa]

It's the #3 sport for schools that play it. Baseball isn't big at all and Lax is small but growing.

I don't think Hockey will play a role in realignment though. Big Ten already has the 6-team minimum for an autobid and is made of 4 of the top 10 college hockey programs of all time(combined 23 NCs)...and Ohio State also has a pretty respectable program too.

At Minnesota, it's very arguably #1. Michigan is solidly #2 - most years, few care about basketball, the hockey fans there are diehard and the sport is overall more popular in the state than basketball. State and Wisconsin are solidly #3 - in that both have big followings, but BB/FB are both generally bigger at the schools. Some years, hockey has a rightful claim to #2 at Wisconsin. Ohio State, the following is very small, most fans are very casual, and the arena is WAY too big. Penn State is an unknown. Four of the six schools have bona fide big-shot hockey programs, two of which are unarguably on the Mount Rushmore of the sport.

 

[Dooley]

Still a ways to go...AAU, endowment and stadium size.

Yup. Also add re-establishing MBB as top 10 program post Calhoun and post APR, returning football to a regular bowl season participant, and continued fanbase support.

 

[upstater]

Ever sport is year round now. I think there may be a cross-training benefit lost, but the game specific skills that the kids develop are noteworthy.

Yep, I know it. Just got through coaching youth soccer for a good stint. They turned around and asked me to coach the next module and the next.

One odd thing about year-round sport (soccer is actually 10 month now, Sept. to end of June, though some have July-August skills camps) is that Gymnastics has become very popular with this set, as a means to develop muscle control and coordination. You see lots of young boys who play sports doing it now alongside their sport.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Still a ways to go...AAU, endowment and stadium size.

I have a question...

How important is endowment when state taxpayers are willing to give 5 billion+ to fund infrastructure projects in lieu of endowment? How many other states could do this?

What further proof do you need, Mr. Delaney, that the fanbase in this state is rabid than that?! Tax money - directly granted via legislature that would get politicians voted out of office in most states - just handed over to the university in large chunks!

 

[CL82]

I have a question...

How important is endowment when state taxpayers are willing to give 5 billion+ to fund infrastructure projects in lieu of endowment? How many other states could do this?

What further proof do you need, Mr. Delaney, that the fanbase in this state is rabid than that?! Tax money - directly granted via legislature that would get politicians voted out of office in most states - just handed over to the university in large chunks!

Your point is valid but in the end endowment is a metric that being used. Telling people that the should not use a particular metric is always a tougher sale than telling them you meet their requirements.

 

[SubbaBub]

Endowments are subject to the whims of politicians and are of measure of university financial strength. Capital bonding is nice, but it can easily dry up.


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[Adios]

For anyone who cares, I found that 5 of our head coaches throughout our history played for B1G schools before becoming coaches. Two played at Michigan, one played at Nebraska, and two played at Penn State, Pasqualoni included. Our head coaching history seems more illustrious than it is made out to be. One of those coaches was an assistant coach for the 1947 national champions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut_Huskies_football#Coaching_history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut_Huskies_football#Former_personnel

Made some adjustments on the football program's page. As far as I know, we have had more head coaches that played in the B1G than any other conference.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Endowments are subject to the whims of politicians and are of measure of university financial strength. Capital bonding is nice, but it can easily dry up.


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For better or worse, Endowments are viewed by many university presidents as a case of ‘mine is bigger than yours’ school yard mentality or just plan ‘keeping up with the Joneses.’ Afterall, Harvard could offer 100% free tuition to every student using just the interest it earns on its $30 Billion endowment and still have plenty left over to run the university. It does not because $30 Billion is a bragging point over Yale ($19 Billion), Stanford ($17 Billion), Princeton ($17 Billion), etc.
For the B1G, endowment size is a key factor; but, not the only one. Afterall only 2 B1G schools have endowments less than $1 Billion – Maryland ($812 million) and Rutgers ($693 million). UConn’s endowment ($311 million) is thus a significant weakness, especially in from a school in one of the richest states in the country, and is a reason why President Herbst is pushing to get it above $1 Billion.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Where does hockey rank in importance for B1G schools that play hockey? Looks like the 3rd or 4th most important sport, depending on how successful the schools are in hockey.

If the B1G added UConn, Women’s basketball would likely vault to #3 sport programs rankings ahead of hockey because UConn would assume the role of the 500 pound gorilla and that all 16 (assumes UConn and a partner were added) if UConn was added) schools in the B1G play women’s basketball while only 7 (if UConn was added) play men’s hockey.

 

[Adios]

If the B1G added UConn, Women’s basketball would likely vault to #3 sport programs rankings ahead of hockey because UConn would assume the role of the 500 pound gorilla and that all 16 (assumes UConn and a partner were added) if UConn was added) schools in the B1G play women’s basketball while only 7 (if UConn was added) play men’s hockey.

Overall? I don't know. Some posters were making clear that each school has it's own culture. I don't know if women's basketball or football is #2 at UConn.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Overall? I don't know. Some posters were making clear that each school has it's own culture. I don't know if women's basketball or football is #2 at UConn.

Yes, overall within the B1G as a whole based on attendance and revenue.
For better or worse, at UConn, football has to be equal to or greater than men’s basketball because football is driving everything right now and is dividing the have’s and have not’s

 

[CL82]

Overall? I don't know. Some posters were making clear that each school has it's own culture. I don't know if women's basketball or football is #2 at UConn.

football, imo, but the UConn's woman's team enjoys impressive support.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

If the B1G added UConn, Women’s basketball would likely vault to #3 sport programs rankings ahead of hockey because UConn would assume the role of the 500 pound gorilla and that all 16 (assumes UConn and a partner were added) if UConn was added) schools in the B1G play women’s basketball while only 7 (if UConn was added) play men’s hockey.

There is a 0% chance women's basketball will usurp hockey at Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. There's a 0.01% chance it would happen at Michigan State.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

There is a 0% chance women's basketball will usurp hockey at Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. There's a 0.01% chance it would happen at Michigan State.

Was talking about the B1G as a whole and not specific schools. Heck, wrestling is probably the #2 sport behind football at Iowa and Nebraska.

 

[CTGoonie]

So a reporter asked Jim Delany if the Big Ten can ever get too big today. His response according to the article was:
"Delany, as you'll see in the video, didn't say yes or no. But he likes where the league is now. For however long that remains."

By the way, check out the shoes!!

 

[babysheep]

I'm curious as to why the Boston market isn't talked about as much, but I can see it as a big opportunity. UConn is, far and away, the best athletic school from New England. We can be New England's team. When Michigan and Wisconsin and the big boys from the midwest come to play us in fball, if you put that on at the bars, people will come to root New England's team on. When you put the bball games on, people will come to watch some very exciting matchups. Though that, I think we stand to gain a lot more fans in Boston than we already have.

Is there really that much more money in the NY market as to render the Boston market not even worthy of discussion?

 

[BCINGYA]

I'm curious as to why the Boston market isn't talked about as much, but I can see it as a big opportunity. UConn is, far and away, the best athletic school from New England. We can be New England's team. When Michigan and Wisconsin and the big boys from the midwest come to play us in fball, if you put that on at the bars, people will come to root New England's team on. When you put the bball games on, people will come to watch some very exciting matchups. Though that, I think we stand to gain a lot more fans in Boston than we already have.

Is there really that much more money in the NY market as to render the Boston market not even worthy of discussion?

Put the crack pipe down....no really .......wow......stop this self anointed NE. team rant have heard it here before. Show a little respect for the other 5 state schools, as well as Harvard, B.U., Northeastern and so on. The Boston pie is sliced and N.Y. draws from the most populated area's of Conn. The market here is saturated with pro and college.

 

[babysheep]

Someone's got to do the winning for this region, and it sure hasn't been your collection of clowns. And the saddest part is that you idiots are somehow still second place here.

 

[BCINGYA]

Someone's got to do the winning for this region, and it sure hasn't been your collection of clowns. And the saddest part is that you idiots are somehow still second place here.

The clowns and idiots have been fine for 150 years and counting. U Conn is a fine institution so I dont knock the school, never have. The Boston sports scene does just fine.... including its schools, without any help from outside the state thanks.

 

[babysheep]

Classic BC; scared sh-tless of UConn

 

[uchusky32]

[quotefINGYA, post: 657773, member: 3727"]The clowns and idiots have been fine for 150 years and counting. U Conn is a fine institution so I dont knock the school, never have. The Boston sports scene does just fine.... including its schools, without any help from outside the state thanks.[/quote]
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Well this board hasn't been around for 150 years but it has done just fine without you lurking.

 

[BCINGYA]

Classic BC; scared sh-tless of UConn

Your name calling does nothing to bolster your point of view. Im proud of all of the schools in New England as it has been home my entire life including most of my adult life in Boston. I am aware of the impressive accomplishments made by U Conn over the years. Please spare me the scared line I mean come on. Intimidated, I hardly think so. Do not compare apples and oranges my friend.

 

[BCINGYA]

[quotefINGYA, post: 657773, member: 3727"]The clowns and idiots have been fine for 150 years and counting. U Conn is a fine institution so I dont knock the school, never have. The Boston sports scene does just fine.... including its schools, without any help from outside the state thanks.

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Well this board hasn't been around for 150 years but it has done just fine without you lurking.[/quote]
I am a member here like everyone else, so no lurking here. I treat those around me with respect, and I don't use my time taking swipes at U Conn, I have more respect for the school as a whole. I have met some very nice people here and I have even secured a trophy. I LOVE COLLEGE SPORTS the B.Y. is a great forum.

 

[CTGoonie]

Your name calling does nothing to bolster your point of view. Im proud of all of the schools in New England as it has been home my entire life including most of my adult life in Boston. I am aware of the impressive accomplishments made by U Conn over the years. Please spare me the scared line I mean come on. Intimidated, I hardly think so. Do not compare apples and oranges my friend.

uconn is the only new England team to get to the bcs. Apple's and oranges indeed.

 

[babysheep]

Your name calling does nothing to bolster your point of view. Im proud of all of the schools in New England as it has been home my entire life including most of my adult life in Boston. I am aware of the impressive accomplishments made by U Conn over the years. Please spare me the scared line I mean come on. Intimidated, I hardly think so. Do not compare apples and oranges my friend.

This isn't (necessarily) about helping the Boston market, or about the Boston schools already doing fine on their own, whatever that is supposed to mean. This is about UConn making money for the B1G; and I say with the proper tv support from the B1G, UConn stands to make a loooot of money in the Boston area and beyond. I just said you were scared because you know this on a deep level and don't want UConn to push your school further into irrelevance than it already is. Also, learn what the phrase "apples and oranges" really means, unless you mean apples are teams that win things and oranges are those who fail.

 

[Husky25]

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Well this board hasn't been around for 150 years but it has done just fine without you lurking./quote]
I am a member here like everyone else, so no lurking here. I treat those around me with respect, and I don't use my time taking swipes at U Conn, I have more respect for the school as a whole. I have met some very nice people here and I have even secured a trophy. I LOVE COLLEGE SPORTS the B.Y. is a great forum.

You lurk in the sense that you're dormant for a long period of time...that is until someone makes even the most benignly negative comment whatsoever concerning Boston College (babysheep didn't even mention Boston College, and everything said was at least circumstantially correct), regardless of truth. You then go on a passively-aggressive counterattack. ...again, regardless of truth or support.

Put the crack pipe down....no really .......wow......stop this self anointed NE. team rant have heard it here before. Show a little respect for the other 5 state schools, as well as Harvard, B.U., Northeastern and so on. The Boston pie is sliced and N.Y. draws from the most populated area's of Conn. The market here is saturated with pro and college.

I am a member of another team's message board, where it is much easier to get banned. Be that as it may, one of the rules there applies to fansbases of other teams. I keeps this rule in mind when posting here and on opposing fan pages. Its probably a good idea if others did as well, whether or not it is explicitly enforced on a particular forum. It is as follows (redacted and emphasis added):

TO FANS OF OPPOSING TEAMS
This is a website ... primarily devoted to [**team name**] football. While we enjoy visitors, we did not leave the door open hoping to have people drop by intent on changing our way of thinking. We are quite happy (some might argue "miserable" at times) being [**team name**] fans. We continue to believe that each [weekend] marks a new beginning and that eventually we will return to our days of greatness. You, of course, can laugh at that notion, but if you do it here, it probably won't be taken too kindly.

If you're a fan of a rival team, please don't make the mistake of thinking this is an always-friendly environment. When you are here, your screen is [team color] and [team color] for a reason. We’re [**UConn fans**]. Nothing about this site should suggest to you that we are interested in being all things to all football fans. We have many knowledgeable fans here who know quite a bit about [**team name**] football in particular and the [**NCAA**] in general. We allow a certain amount of [**team name**] machismo here, because that is part of the [**team name**] experience. So be advised you will likely encounter critical and disparaging statements related to your chosen football team from time to time. As with all issues, moderators will determine what is or isn't allowable independent of anyone's team affiliation.

Do enjoy your time here---we welcome well-behaved rival fans and enjoy other perspectives in the form of solid football discussion, along with the typical banter expected in such venues as long as it is within our Forum Rules. But don't let your activities interfere with our ability to enjoy your time here."

 

[Jimdish255]

Problem with defending against the scared accusation is that actions taken by the BC administration support it. They have actively worked to block the inevitable progress of their neighbor UConn. They apparently believe they cannot be successful athletically if we are on a level playing field. There's no need for namecalling (despite my avatar) it's just a fact that continues today. I hope it changes soon because we should be rivals. It's shortsided and brings down NE athletics imo.

 

[NickyNewark]

Put the crack pipe down....no really .......wow......stop this self anointed NE. team rant have heard it here before. Show a little respect for the other 5 state schools, as well as Harvard, B.U., Northeastern and so on. The Boston pie is sliced and N.Y. draws from the most populated area's of Conn. The market here is saturated with pro and college.

Your posts are good and rational but some are very bitter (understandly) about the way the ball bounced in CR and has to be expected so try to roll with some of the comments!As an RU fan and friend of UConn athletics it can be difficult to balance the two so I get baited myself frequently!

 

[Sea Goat]

Problem with defending against the scared accusation is that actions taken by the BC administration support it. They have actively worked to block the inevitable progress of their neighbor UConn. They apparently believe they cannot be successful athletically if we are on a level playing field. There's no need for namecalling (despite my avatar) it's just a fact that continues today. I hope it changes soon because we should be rivals. It's shortsided and brings down NE athletics imo.

Jimdish255,

Good post - I believe that BC will regret standing against us for the ACC membership eventually. Look at the sparks that fly when the trio from tobacco road get together. It is electric in part because they are a stone's throw from each other. That kind of connection produces great rivalries that kids (recruits) want to be part of. Too bad BC didn't see positives and instead made a decision based on negatives. (I get the lawsuit thing - Blumenthal really got personal and the individuals he made defendants have long memories.) BC needed a real and proximate rival and they don't have one. BTW, Syracuse doesn't do it for them and there is no one else reasonably close by to fill in.

 

[The Funster]

New England needs a good rivalry. UConn/BC could be it. UMass can be a part of it too. Regional rivalries generate interest and that is what this area of the country needs. I know this will sound arrogant but I don't care: BC would have been better WITH UConn than they are without UConn.