B1G TV Negotiations

[Seaa Blue]

I wouldn't worry about that happening.

Seriously, for that to happen the requisite "bridge" would be UConn.

 

[BigRonBuckeye]

There is no question for UConn. Delaney with this deal has basically stated who he wants if the B1G expands again. The schools that are there just collecting a paycheck and not contributing to the league will soon become a issue for schools like tOSU and UM.

Yes!!! This to the second power. Purdue & Northwestern are worthless from an athletics standpoint. They wouldn't even be missed except IU/Pur basketball games and a fun trip to Chicago. I think the rest of the schools either 1. Bring a whole state with them or 2. Stand on their own two feet as is the case with Sparty.
Any number of schools would do a better job of adding value and expand the league into new territory. I think the upper limit for the league is 20 and without hesitation I'd say the following schools are in (after the grant of rights and if interest is mutual): Texas, Virginia, Carolina, Georgia Tech, a Florida School (either FSU or Miami).
That only leaves one slot, However if we could extricate ourselves from the aforementioned league parasites then the last three slots would be available for some combination of Duke, Oklahoma, Kansas, Connecticut, and Notre Dame.
Given Notre Dame's insistence on independence... I think they are out.
3/4 odds ain't bad.

 

[FDNY99]

Yes!!! This to the second power. Purdue & Northwestern are worthless from an athletics standpoint. They wouldn't even be missed except IU/Pur basketball games and a fun trip to Chicago. I think the rest of the schools either 1. Bring a whole state with them or 2. Stand on their own two feet as is the case with Sparty.
Any number of schools would do a better job of adding value and expand the league into new territory. I think the upper limit for the league is 20 and without hesitation I'd say the following schools are in (after the grant of rights and if interest is mutual): Texas, Virginia, Carolina, Georgia Tech, a Florida School (either FSU or Miami).
That only leaves one slot, However if we could extricate ourselves from the aforementioned league parasites then the last three slots would be available for some combination of Duke, Oklahoma, Kansas, Connecticut, and Notre Dame.
Given Notre Dame's insistence on independence... I think they are out.
3/4 odds ain't bad.

That would be a GREAT conference...unfortunately as much as I would love to see UConn in the B1G this new tv deal is a game changer. As @Dooley has said on here several times at $30 Mill UConn can make a case...at $50 mill UConn can't make a case.

 

[TruthNnumbers]

Yes!!! This to the second power. Purdue & Northwestern are worthless from an athletics standpoint. They wouldn't even be missed except IU/Pur basketball games and a fun trip to Chicago. I think the rest of the schools either 1. Bring a whole state with them or 2. Stand on their own two feet as is the case with Sparty.
Any number of schools would do a better job of adding value and expand the league into new territory. I think the upper limit for the league is 20 and without hesitation I'd say the following schools are in (after the grant of rights and if interest is mutual): Texas, Virginia, Carolina, Georgia Tech, a Florida School (either FSU or Miami).
That only leaves one slot, However if we could extricate ourselves from the aforementioned league parasites then the last three slots would be available for some combination of Duke, Oklahoma, Kansas, Connecticut, and Notre Dame.
Given Notre Dame's insistence on independence... I think they are out.
3/4 odds ain't bad.

Never happen, as much as I would love to see NU and PU in the MAC they are in the B1G and not leaving. The only way you boot them is for football to split from the rest of college sports and create a new league. That could mean some kind of 64 team draft for 4 divisions, a mulligan for college football while the current conferences stay as they are for all other sports. This would of course be the exact opposite of what Jim Delany is trying to do by consolidating sports (like Hockey and Lax) under the B1G umbrella. Then there’s that media contracts for college basketball would still mean conferences would be split between the haves and the have nots, we would just be talking about smaller numbers.

 

[nd73]

I will go berserk if ND strong-arms the B1G to take BC with them.

We're not joining, they will have to make it on their own merits. No way they add 50-60 million dollars’ worth of value.

 

[FDNY99]

We're not joining, they will have to make it on their own merits. No way they add 50-60 million dollars’ worth of value.

BC has a hard enough time winning football & basketball games in the ACC...can you imagine them playing in the B1G.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

I will go berserk if ND strong-arms the B1G to take BC with them.

Unless its some sort of Catholic guilt thing, it won't happen as ND is just as strong market wise as BC is in Boston and thus doesn't bring any value to ND.

 

[whaler11]

It's more than 50-60 million in value.

The league only gets half the BTN money - so you have to bring double the revenue to that party to keep everyone whole.

All the other schools cede network equity to you as well. If the current schools went from 14 to 20 they would lose about a 2% ownership stake to the new schools each.

That only keeps them whole and there is risk that 6 years from now the contracts stop growing.

You also give up games against the Michigans and Ohio States every time you expand. At 20 you'd play 3/4s of the league at home in football once every 6 years.

 

[Sea Goat]

BC has a hard enough time winning football & basketball games in the ACC...can you imagine them playing in the B1G.

You could witness the battle of ineptitude every year between Rutgers and BC.

 

[FDNY99]

You could witness the battle of ineptitude every year between Rutgers and BC.

RU isn't even in the same inept league as BC right now. BC reminds me of DePaul, Seton Hall and PC in the BE. They stand there with hand open waiting for that big check to be placed in it and do absolutely nothing to contribute to the funds distributed in that check.

 

[NYUConn]

RU isn't even in the same inept league as BC right now. BC reminds me of DePaul, Seton Hall and PC in the BE. They stand there with hand open waiting for that big check to be placed in it and do absolutely nothing to contribute to the funds distributed in that check.

Agree. You can argue that Rutgers is trying to better itself on and off the playing field - High Point renovations, looking into building a new basketball arena, grabbing Ash from Ohio State etc.

BC is literally sitting there doing nothing. Haven't invested a dime in their facilities in years and have made one incompetent hire after another in Football and Basketball.

BC hit the lottery in 2004 and have been drawing a trust fund check every month ever since while sitting around and not working.

 

[FDNY99]

Agree. You can argue that Rutgers is trying to better itself on and off the playing field - High Point renovations, looking into building a new basketball arena, grabbing Ash from Ohio State etc.

BC is literally sitting there doing nothing. Haven't invested a dime in their facilities in years and have made one incompetent hire after another in Football and Basketball.

BC hit the lottery in 2004 and have been drawing a trust fund check every month ever since while sitting around and not working.

That is a GREAT analogy! Can't be put any better than that!

 

[upstater]

Yes!!! This to the second power. Purdue & Northwestern are worthless from an athletics standpoint. They wouldn't even be missed except IU/Pur basketball games and a fun trip to Chicago. I think the rest of the schools either 1. Bring a whole state with them or 2. Stand on their own two feet as is the case with Sparty.
Any number of schools would do a better job of adding value and expand the league into new territory. I think the upper limit for the league is 20 and without hesitation I'd say the following schools are in (after the grant of rights and if interest is mutual): Texas, Virginia, Carolina, Georgia Tech, a Florida School (either FSU or Miami).
That only leaves one slot, However if we could extricate ourselves from the aforementioned league parasites then the last three slots would be available for some combination of Duke, Oklahoma, Kansas, Connecticut, and Notre Dame.
Given Notre Dame's insistence on independence... I think they are out.
3/4 odds ain't bad.

Georgia Tech?

 

[Drew]

Unsportsmanlike Conduct: The New Fox Deal For The Big Ten

 

[CL82]

So assuming that ESPN actually loses the B1G, what does that mean to the American. Better exposure, I would think. Does the value of the AAC content increase?

 

[Hoophound]

As force of habit, I think people will continue to watch ESPN. This would be great for the AAC. ESPN can basically make it a power conference by saying it is one. They'd need to put more games on ABC in order to give it an additional boost, but they could pull it off. If we are stuck in the AAC, this could be good news for exposure and money.

 

[djct1999]

As force of habit, I think people will continue to watch ESPN. This would be great for the AAC. ESPN can basically make it a power conference by saying it is one. They'd need to put more games on ABC in order to give it an additional boost, but they could pull it off. If we are stuck in the AAC, this could be good news for exposure and money.

Watch ESPN as a force of habit? Sure. Only to tune in to Olberman and Patrick on Sportscenter! Wait a minute..... They left years ago. So to did ESPN viewership. The better question is who in the hell watches ESPN anymore? Outside of Uconn ganes, I haven't watched in years. Not because I don't follow sports but because their on air talent is unwatchable. In fact, if UConn played its games on another network I would get rid of it entirely.

 

[Drew]

Watch ESPN as a force of habit? Sure. Only to tune in to Olberman and Patrick on Sportscenter! Wait a minute..... They left years ago. So to did ESPN viewership. The better question is who in the hell watches ESPN anymore? Outside of Uconn ganes, I haven't watched in years. Not because I don't follow sports but because their on air talent is unwatchable. In fact, if UConn played its games on another network I would get rid of it entirely.

ESPN is easily the most popular cable sports network still. AAC games that draw 1m+ viewers on ESPN likely wouldn't get half that on FS1 or NBCSN. Look at our games on CBSSN vs ESPN/2 and its obvious

 

[billybud]

BC has a hard enough time winning football & basketball games in the ACC...can you imagine them playing in the B1G.

BC takes the conference money and refuses to invest in athletics. There may become a day when the schools that invest in coaches and facilities feel that they are carrying the weight while only getting the same return that BC gets.

Temple got the boot at one time...maybe BC can get the same. FSU fans burn candles and and say a daily prayer that it might become so (current thread on premium Warchant).

 

[CL82]

BC takes the conference money and refuses to invest in athletics. There may become a day when the schools that invest in coaches and facilities feel that they are carrying the weight while only getting the same return that BC gets.

Temple got the boot at one time...maybe BC can get the same. FSU fans burn candles and and say a daily prayer that it might become so (current thread on premium Warchant).

I doubt it, but I do see them as being viewed a less valuable property should the ACC fail.

 

[NYUConn]

I doubt it, but I do see them as being viewed a less valuable property should the ACC fail.

If the ACC never gets a network off the ground there is literally no value to Boston College in the state they are in today.

They were brought in for the purpose of bringing New England eyeballs to ACC sports. The problem is that without a network that they can push New Englanders to buy subscriptions to, their is no monetary benefit to having BC in the existing TV deal as their athletics have been such a horror show that ESPN isn't giving their games any real exposure, therefore no eyeballs in the New England region.

In the mid-2000s when BC still had halfway decent football and basketball programs you could point to gate #s, bowl/NCAA tournament revenue and decent TV ratings as a reason to keep them around.

But those days are long gone.

I think @billybud is right and that eventually FSU & Co. are going to get sick of watching BC cash the same paycheck they get while doing absolutely nothing to increase the value of the ACC brand.

Will BC turn it around? Maybe. They have a pretty rabid alumni base who remembers Eagles teams of past who were decent, but the current administration needs to be tossed out first. It's a dire situation right now up there.

 

[Hoophound]

ESPN is easily the most popular cable sports network still. AAC games that draw 1m+ viewers on ESPN likely wouldn't get half that on FS1 or NBCSN. Look at our games on CBSSN vs ESPN/2 and its obvious

Exactly. People check out ESPN all the time. If you had a good UConn/Cincy game on ESPN and had your announcers play it up rather than laugh at it, people would buy in and watch.

 

[FDNY99]

I doubt it, but I do see them as being viewed a less valuable property should the ACC fail.

If the ACC fails BC may be bound for the AAC. Especially when there is another school in New Emgland that actually puts money into sports/facilities.

 

[Sea Goat]

If the ACC fails BC may be bound for the AAC. Especially when there is another school in New Emgland that actually puts money into sports/facilities.

They can replace us...

 

[Drew]

If the ACC fails BC may be bound for the AAC. Especially when there is another school in New Emgland that actually puts money into sports/facilities.

BC and UMass should make for a nice AAC rivalry to compliment UCF/USF

 

[John Greene]

BC and UMass should make for a nice AAC rivalry to compliment UCF/USF

And, if they work real hard, it could someday be as big as THE CONFLICT.

 

[Drew]

 

[uconndogs]

If the ACC never gets a network off the ground there is literally no value to Boston College in the state they are in today.

They were brought in for the purpose of bringing New England eyeballs to ACC sports. The problem is that without a network that they can push New Englanders to buy subscriptions to, their is no monetary benefit to having BC in the existing TV deal as their athletics have been such a horror show that ESPN isn't giving their games any real exposure, therefore no eyeballs in the New England region.

In the mid-2000s when BC still had halfway decent football and basketball programs you could point to gate #s, bowl/NCAA tournament revenue and decent TV ratings as a reason to keep them around.

But those days are long gone.

I think @billybud is right and that eventually FSU & Co. are going to get sick of watching BC cash the same paycheck they get while doing absolutely nothing to increase the value of the ACC brand.

Will BC turn it around? Maybe. They have a pretty rabid alumni base who remembers Eagles teams of past who were decent, but the current administration needs to be tossed out first. It's a dire situation right now up there.

When did BC ever deliver New England eyeballs? Ever?

 

[jlarson]

Translation = ESPN is losing to NBC.

If ESPN was winning the second half of the rights, they wouldn't waste their time talking about it. They would just get the deal done and release the information.

 

[Drew]

Gotta say this is surprising. Could the B1G be the first conference to voluntarily leave ESPN/ABC? Depending on the deal NBC could provide equal if not more exposure for the B1G