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B1G & SEC non-committal on CFP future

It seems this is becoming the divide that everyone has been expecting to happen.

When more public schools are left on the wayside, will that be when Congress gets involved?
 
uconnyankee said:
It seems this is becoming the divide that everyone has been expecting to happen.

When more public schools are left on the wayside, will that be when Congress gets involved?
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Did Congress care when the Universities of Montana, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, etc. were not included in the top tier of sports decades ago?
 
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uconnyankee said:
It seems this is becoming the divide that everyone has been expecting to happen.

When more public schools are left on the wayside, will that be when Congress gets involved?
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Nope. What states are without a rep that previously had one:

Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Massachusetts, Virginia, Connecticut.

That’s it. This will not move the needle in Congress. Simply not enough members who care, the states are split party-wise to eliminate one party to take up the cause and even if they tried finding allies on either side of the aisle that would want their party associated with acting against big-P2 state U’s interest are slim
 
ScottVib said:
Nope. What states are without a rep that previously had one:

Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Massachusetts, Virginia, Connecticut.

That’s it. This will not move the needle in Congress. Simply not enough members who care, the states are split party-wise to eliminate one party to take up the cause and even if they tried finding allies on either side of the aisle that would want their party associated with acting against big-P2 state U’s interest are slim
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I'm not sure I follow your "states without a rep." Kansas, New York, North Carolina, West Virginia
 
I don't think the B1G and SEC are going to do anything close to antitrust-worthy. Are they really that stupid?

Greg Flugaur talked about what is going on here, and it made a lot of sense......

The B1G and SEC both have schools that fit into one of two categories......

1. The schools that are big football brands that will go all-in on NIL.
2. The schools that aren't big football brands, not as interested in going all-in on NIL, and will likely eat a lot of the losses on the field to the big football brands.

The commissioners of both conferences have to represent the best interest of all schools in both categories. Rather than go toe-to-toe with each other, they are going to talk amongst themselves what is the best outcome so that all of the schools are happy with the end result. Adding in other conferences at this point complicates things, but the ACC and Big 12 will be invited to these conversations later on. First, the SEC and B1G need to be on the same page.

For example, let's say the committee wants to see NIL fall under the umbrella of each university rather than being separate entities. Policies that allow for schools to have control over the NIL will satisfy the likes of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC, Oregon, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma, etc. The less competitive schools ---- Northwestern, Minnesota, Rutgers, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Kentucky, etc. know that they will never be able to compete in NIL with the other schools ---- their concerns will be having access to the highest amount of conference payouts as possible so they have the funding in place to pay their athletes an amount that maybe won't keep them competitive with Ohio State and Alabama, but will keep them competitive against an Oklahoma State or a Wake Forest. These schools voted for expansion because it gives them even more money to directly compete against anyone not in the P2.

Now, when the kinks of how the B1G sees things and how the SEC sees things are worked out and both are in agreement of the way to move forward, the ACC and Big 12 will be invited into the conversation. Maybe the G5 too. And they will go from there.

The B1G Commissioner is already talking of expanding the playoffs to 14 or 16 teams, giving everyone not in the P2 more access to the playoffs than they have ever had in the past. Carrots will be dangled in front of everyone not in the P2 to allow the P2 to get what they want.

Big Picture for the P2........the goal of the Ohio State's is to have full control of NIL in-house to give them the competitive edge to compete for national championships year in and year out. The goal of the Indiana's is not to go toe-to-toe with the Ohio State's to compete for national championships year in and year out, but rather to have the financial means within the conference payouts to field teams that are favored to beat - or at least be competitive with - any team that is not in the P2.

And if everyone not in the P2 is getting more than they ever got before ---- and more than they could get if the P2 were to theoretically break away ---- everyone not in the P2 will fall in line and vote accordingly.

The goal of the SEC / B1G collaboration is for the P2 to get everything they want while giving everyone else enough to ensure that it happens.
 
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This is just amazing. We are so far in Warde's review view, I doubt he can recall anything about us anymore.

 
Chin Diesel said:
He is outdoing Mark Emmert at failing up.
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That maybe....but he will never see it that way. He just keeps winning. Just a dude in a hot air balloon that just floats on and up forever.

With any luck, maybe Warde still has some animus towards the ACC from his UConn days. Maybe he will step on some ACC toes for old time sake.
 
Exit 4 said:
That maybe....but he will never see it that way. He just keeps winning. Just a dude in a hot air balloon that just floats on and up forever.

With any luck, maybe Warde still has some animus towards the ACC from his UConn days. Maybe he will step on some ACC toes for old time sake.
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Warde is a Post Turtle.

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Exit 4 said:
Post turtle....welp, thats a new one. Probably a common term in the square states.

Now that Warde is lord of the CFPSC - I suggest we reverse tactics and send flowers, candy & doughnuts. We need friends!
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Really is a great phrase/title for someone.
 
Rufus said:
Did Congress care when the Universities of Montana, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, etc. were not included in the top tier of sports decades ago?
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The market will take care of it. I can not think of the last industry that so actively tried to chase off its own customers as college sports is doing right now.
 
Rufus said:
I don't think the B1G and SEC are going to do anything close to antitrust-worthy. Are they really that stupid?

Greg Flugaur talked about what is going on here, and it made a lot of sense......

The B1G and SEC both have schools that fit into one of two categories......

1. The schools that are big football brands that will go all-in on NIL.
2. The schools that aren't big football brands, not as interested in going all-in on NIL, and will likely eat a lot of the losses on the field to the big football brands.

The commissioners of both conferences have to represent the best interest of all schools in both categories. Rather than go toe-to-toe with each other, they are going to talk amongst themselves what is the best outcome so that all of the schools are happy with the end result. Adding in other conferences at this point complicates things, but the ACC and Big 12 will be invited to these conversations later on. First, the SEC and B1G need to be on the same page.

For example, let's say the committee wants to see NIL fall under the umbrella of each university rather than being separate entities. Policies that allow for schools to have control over the NIL will satisfy the likes of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC, Oregon, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma, etc. The less competitive schools ---- Northwestern, Minnesota, Rutgers, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Kentucky, etc. know that they will never be able to compete in NIL with the other schools ---- their concerns will be having access to the highest amount of conference payouts as possible so they have the funding in place to pay their athletes an amount that maybe won't keep them competitive with Ohio State and Alabama, but will keep them competitive against an Oklahoma State or a Wake Forest. These schools voted for expansion because it gives them even more money to directly compete against anyone not in the P2.

Now, when the kinks of how the B1G sees things and how the SEC sees things are worked out and both are in agreement of the way to move forward, the ACC and Big 12 will be invited into the conversation. Maybe the G5 too. And they will go from there.

The B1G Commissioner is already talking of expanding the playoffs to 14 or 16 teams, giving everyone not in the P2 more access to the playoffs than they have ever had in the past. Carrots will be dangled in front of everyone not in the P2 to allow the P2 to get what they want.

Big Picture for the P2........the goal of the Ohio State's is to have full control of NIL in-house to give them the competitive edge to compete for national championships year in and year out. The goal of the Indiana's is not to go toe-to-toe with the Ohio State's to compete for national championships year in and year out, but rather to have the financial means within the conference payouts to field teams that are favored to beat - or at least be competitive with - any team that is not in the P2.

And if everyone not in the P2 is getting more than they ever got before ---- and more than they could get if the P2 were to theoretically break away ---- everyone not in the P2 will fall in line and vote accordingly.

The goal of the SEC / B1G collaboration is for the P2 to get everything they want while giving everyone else enough to ensure that it happens.
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If I am wrong and A) the courts have no problem with the P2, and B) the NBA and NFL also decide to allow a direct competitor to grow and thrive, then there still won't be a P2. There will be a P1. One of them will eat the other.
 
16-team playoff with no auto bids is coming next.
 
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huskymedic said:
Another viewpoint:

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I agree with this to a point. Everything he said is true. However, I think the B1G and SEC are ready to make their athletes employees. I don't think the working group is to fight this off, but rather one goal is to come up with best strategies to implement it. Congress might have the final say, but I see no objections coming from either the B1G or SEC. In fact, I think Congress will actively seek their input before making final rules/recommendations.

I also think that one reason Texas and Oklahoma joined the SEC and USC and UCLA (and later Oregon and Washington) joined the B1G is because they knew this was going to happen and wanted to be in the best spot possible to maximize the implementation of their athletes becoming employees.
 
Lina Khan has her nose in everything without much success. I am sure she is keeping an eye on this one
 
Ha Who said:
Lina Khan has her nose in everything without much success. I am sure she is keeping an eye on this one
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Still can't believe the courts let the Microsoft/Activision acquisition go through.
 
Rufus said:
247sports.com

Whatever the Big Ten and SEC are planning, it's probably for the best

The Big Ten and SEC are positioning themselves behind closed doors to fight for what has been apparent to fans for over a decade: the big boys can demand more money and steer the national conversation in governance.
247sports.com 247sports.com
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You come here almost every day with your concern trolling posts. What do you think UConn should do about the current situation? Shut down the athletic program? Shut down the university? Take a position so we know where you stand.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
You come here almost every day with your concern trolling posts. What do you think UConn should do about the current situation? Shut down the athletic program? Shut down the university? Take a position so we know where you stand.
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You come here almost every day with a brick lodged up your @ss. Are you going to remove it and stop being a d*ck? Take a position so we know where you stand.
 
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