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AllHusky said:
Exactly. If the SEC does not play a sport, it is irrelevant. If tiddlywinks had an NCAA Champinship and there was revenue to be had, they’d be cheating their asses off to get the top Tiddlywinkers to their program. They do not even play soccer.
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I prefer not to bow down to the SEC, thank you.
 
Kolumbo said:
They absolutely are giving scholarships to high school kids. Kids play high school, clubs, and prep schools. Not sure where you are getting your info but I see it every year. UConn has many international kids but they also have 4 kids from CT.
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Not very many are getting scholarships.

I don’t think you understand how soccer works in this country. Nobody really good is playing a 3 month high school season.

There is a reason why college coaches have increasingly are signing old international pro washouts, and that’s because the best Americans are not playing college soccer.
 
Kolumbo said:
More kids grow up playing the beautiful game than any other sport (I think) and it's a great way for top players to get a free education. Granted it may not mean much in terms of value like football and basketball but it's still a great NCAA sport. If the B1G sponsors soccer (they could use a 12th program), soccer isn't going anywhere. And surely it's a lot less expensive to run than most other sports because there is no expensive equipment. A pair of boots and a ball.

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College soccer is literally going nowhere. It’s an afterthought niche within niche sport.
 
ZooCougar said:
Not very many are getting scholarships.

I don’t think you understand how soccer works in this country. Nobody really good is playing a 3 month high school season.

There is a reason why college coaches have increasingly are signing old international pro washouts, and that’s because the best Americans are not playing college soccer.
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That's not entirely true.

While I agree that the absolute top American talent are often skipping college to play abroad, the college ranks still make up a bunch of the MLS rosters (yeah, it's not La Liga, but it's still a pro league). There's still value in college soccer to develop pro players...
 
UConnDan97 said:
That's not entirely true.

While I agree that the absolute top American talent are often skipping college to play abroad, the college ranks still make up a bunch of the MLS rosters (yeah, it's not La Liga, but it's still a pro league). There's still value in college soccer to develop pro players...
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The MLS Draft is an afterthought. Very few of the draftees get on active rosters. 1.4% of college players get drafted and 46% of those actually sign contracts.

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If you want to go professional, don’t play college soccer - Teens in Print

In the US, 1.4% of college soccer players actually get picked in the Major League Soccer draft. Out of that 1.4% of athletes, 46.7% end up signing a contract. That doesn’t make playing college soccer a bad experience, it’s a great experience for every athlete, but it certainly is not…
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In MLS less than 40% of the league played college soccer and that number is dropping.
 
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ZooCougar said:
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The MLS Draft is an afterthought. Very few of the draftees get on active rosters. 1.4% of college players get drafted and 46% of those actually sign contracts.

teensinprint.com

If you want to go professional, don’t play college soccer - Teens in Print

In the US, 1.4% of college soccer players actually get picked in the Major League Soccer draft. Out of that 1.4% of athletes, 46.7% end up signing a contract. That doesn’t make playing college soccer a bad experience, it’s a great experience for every athlete, but it certainly is not…
teensinprint.com teensinprint.com

In MLS less than 40% of the league played college soccer and that number is dropping.
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That percentage is higher than the percentage of NCAA basketball players that make the NBA (1.1%). So you're not exactly swaying me with your argument.

Again, I'm well aware that the best pro prospects try to play in Europe at an early age instead of college soccer. But that's an extremely low percentage of players. The rest... well they've gotta show their worth through college soccer, for better or worse...
 
UConnDan97 said:
That percentage is higher than the percentage of NCAA basketball players that make the NBA (1.1%). So you're not exactly swaying me with your argument.

Again, I'm well aware that the best pro prospects try to play in Europe at an early age instead of college soccer. But that's an extremely low percentage of players. The rest... well they've gotta show their worth through college soccer, for better or worse...
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There are more basketball programs than soccer. And soccer is seeing less than 50% of the draftees actually signing contracts. That’s pathetic. Keep in mind the ones that do sign are going to MLS Next which is like the G League.

Anyone that actually follows soccer knows that by the time you graduate college you are at an age where you already should be an established professional. So these players are already years behind. Therefore it’s at best a faulty developer of talent.

Lastly. The NBA would never ditch the draft, but I bet if MLS teams voted they would ditch it. It’s the MLS Draft is a joke, managers have often skip it altogether. There was a case recently where a team traded a pick for office supplies or something like that. That’s literally all the value in the draft that the teams see, they are trading their picks for something…
 
ZooCougar said:
Anyone that actually follows soccer knows that by the...
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I love the attempt to elevate your status with lines like this. My man, I've been following soccer since before I knew how to speak English!

It's fine. You have your opinion. I don't need to change it. Suffice it to say that college soccer still has a place in American soccer development, whether you agree with it or not...
 
UConnDan97 said:
I love the attempt to elevate your status with lines like this. My man, I've been following soccer since before I knew how to speak English!
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Wow, an appeal to authority fallacy and an ad hominem back to back; you really ran out of argument didn’t you!

I’m sure men’s college soccer has a place just like Sears and K Mart had a place in the waning days.
 
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ZooCougar said:
Not very many are getting scholarships.

I don’t think you understand how soccer works in this country. Nobody really good is playing a 3 month high school season.

There is a reason why college coaches have increasingly are signing old international pro washouts, and that’s because the best Americans are not playing college soccer.
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I'm not really sure what your argument is. Since you seem to be the expert, you should tell us exactly how many American kids are playing soccer at the DI level since you believe scholarships are so rare.
 
WrenchFan69 said:
I don't ever consider women's sports outside basketball when thinking about the existential questions of college sports. They will exist as long as they are required as an offset.
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Funny, they don't consider you either.
 
Kolumbo said:
I'm not really sure what your argument is. Since you seem to be the expert, you should tell us exactly how many American kids are playing soccer at the DI level since you believe scholarships are so rare.
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Here’s a hint: the number of American players dwarfs the number of American players with scholarships.

You think think this is like football where the whole roster gets a full ride?
 
ZooCougar said:
There are more basketball programs than soccer. And soccer is seeing less than 50% of the draftees actually signing contracts. That’s pathetic. Keep in mind the ones that do sign are going to MLS Next which is like the G League.

Anyone that actually follows soccer knows that by the time you graduate college you are at an age where you already should be an established professional. So these players are already years behind. Therefore it’s at best a faulty developer of talent.

Lastly. The NBA would never ditch the draft, but I bet if MLS teams voted they would ditch it. It’s the MLS Draft is a joke, managers have often skip it altogether. There was a case recently where a team traded a pick for office supplies or something like that. That’s literally all the value in the draft that the teams see, they are trading their picks for something…
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I’m not quite sure what point the argument is trying to make but inversely:
97-99% of NBA rosters are made up of former college players.
65-75% of MLS rosters are made up of former college players.
Not sure if that helps either one’s argument. But it does say college hoops is more of a pipeline to pros than college soccer.
 
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NH Husky said:
I’m not quite sure what point the argument is trying to make but inversely:
97-99% of NBA rosters are made up of former college players.
65-75% of MLS rosters are made up of former college players.
Not sure if that helps either one’s argument. But it does say college hoops is more of a pipeline to pros than college soccer.
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That was exactly my point. You’re confused and responding to the wrong guy.

65-75% seems too high to be taken seriously.

80% of players in the college cup the year UVM won were born outside the USA.

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ZooCougar said:
That was exactly my point. You’re confused and responding to the wrong guy.

65-75% seems too high to be taken seriously.

80% of players in the college cup the year UVM won were born outside the USA.

www.goal.com

College Soccer at a Crossroads: Once the primary pathway to the pros, NIL, MLS academies and sweeping court rulings now threaten collegiate game’s relevance | Goal.com US

With the landscape rapidly changing, the college game is facing an existential crisis as it embarks on a pivotal season
www.goal.com
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I meant to respond to the conversation in general, not one side or the other.
65-75% came from ChatGPT. I agree it seems high.
I do know when I went to UConn (80’s) we were a college soccer powerhouse. I seem to recall many of our players were foreign born. Maybe that explains your stat. I have idea what it’s like today.
 
NH Husky said:
I meant to respond to the conversation in general, not one side or the other.
65-75% came from ChatGPT. I agree it seems high.
I do know when I went to UConn (80’s) we were a college soccer powerhouse. I seem to recall many of our players were foreign born. Maybe that explains your stat. I have idea what it’s like today.
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ChatGPT is always up to date and accurate. It’s not like it is slop regurgitating someone else’s slop or anything like that.

MLS has invested hundreds of millions in their academies. That ought to tell you something about which development platform they prefer.
 
I will add one small item:

Intercollegiate soccer was a niche sport with a nice little following in a handful of places long before MLS came around and pretended to be a real professional league.

Anyone expecting intercollegiate soccer to be a feeder for professional leagues at the highest level (as football and men's basketball are) needs to put down the pipe. This doesn't mean there can't be a place for the sport on an intercollegiate level.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I will add one small item:

Intercollegiate soccer was a niche sport with a nice little following in a handful of places long before MLS came around and pretended to be a real professional league.

Anyone expecting intercollegiate soccer to be a feeder for professional leagues at the highest level (as football and men's basketball are) needs to put down the pipe. This doesn't mean there can't be a place for the sport on an intercollegiate level.
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It's not a top league in the world, but it's clearly a professional league and has surpassed Liga MX in most areas.
 
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WrenchFan69 said:
Yes it appears you've misunderstood the point of D1 sports. It is about money and marketing for the university.
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Well that sucks to hear. Thanks for setting me straight.
 
ZooCougar said:
Here’s a hint: the number of American players dwarfs the number of American players with scholarships.

You think think this is like football where the whole roster gets a full ride?
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So American kids are getting scholarships to play in college, but the percentage of American kids getting scholarships on college rosters isn't high enough. Either the percentage of the entire roster is too low, or the percentage of all the kids playing high school getting a scholarship is too low. I guess that is your point, I am just not sure. And we should also do away with baseball, softball, hockey, lacrosse, track & field, etc.
 
Kolumbo said:
So American kids are getting scholarships to play in college, but the percentage of American kids getting scholarships on college rosters isn't high enough. Either the percentage of the entire roster is too low, or the percentage of all the kids playing high school getting a scholarship is too low. I guess that is your point, I am just not sure. And we should also do away with baseball, softball, hockey, lacrosse, track & field, etc.
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one huge impact on soccer rosters is that most schools are now targeting international kids, not home-growns. It's long been that way in the men's game, but now that's creeping into the women's side too. And yes, very few kids get anywhere near a full ride in soccer.
 
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