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B1G Ramblings

Didn't want to take up valuable space in the key tweets thread but the B1G at 18 and SEC at 16. They are probably both trying to figure out which moves to make. B1G needs to continue to make football moves. FSU & Miami similar to UCLA & USC. Take the most valuable football programs and both are in Florida so you play a ton of games in Cal and Fla. SEC has more slots and may grab UNC but who else? I doubt SEC goes after UVA. UVA and the rest of the ACC will be available. The SEC could do the most damage by taking FSU & UNC. Either conference should grab FSU ASAP and then the house of cards ACC will crumble.
 
Kolumbo said:
All god points
The last 4 additions by the SEC

2012
Texas A&M
Mizzou

2024
Texas
Oklahoma

If SEC did take UVA for some reason and Va Tech ended up in the Big 12, I could see Va Tech competing and UVA getting pummeled year after year. There is a chance the UVA program could be elevated due to being in the SEC but I doubt it's competing with Alabama and Texas. UVA and UNC certainly make geographic and basketball sense, with WVU the sleeper pick. 😮
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If there's a sleeper for the SEC, I'd say it's Kansas as opposed to WVU.
 
I think its going to be UNC and UVA, I've always said it on this board, culturally both fit and are aligned with the SEC. SI did an article about it.

It just makes too much sense. I don't see Clemson, FSU, Miami, Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech as SEC teams.

I don't know how much bigger the B1G will get. 20 seems to be goal.

I think the SEC will take UNC and UVA and stay at 18.

The B1G grabs Clemson and FSU

The 12 grabs Miami, VT, GT and Louisville to get to 20.

I don't too much realignment will happen, it's only going to dilute payout for a conference like the SEC.

Whatever happens, UConn will be a part of the remnants of what's left of the ACC.
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
If there's a sleeper for the SEC, I'd say it's Kansas as opposed to WVU.
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Neither of those teams will be in the SEC. Many people think WVU fits, but the SEC looks down at WVU in a pretentious sort of way.
 
B1GEast said:
Neither of those teams will be in the SEC. Many people think WVU fits, but the SEC looks down at WVU in a pretentious sort of way.
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Agreed on WVU and seems like the only way Kansas would get into the SEC is if they go to 22 or 24 teams one distant day (and maybe they'd still need a push by Texas and Arkansas to make it happen).
 
B1GEast said:
I think its going to be UNC and UVA, I've always said it on this board, culturally both fit and are aligned with the SEC. SI did an article about it.

It just makes too much sense. I don't see Clemson, FSU, Miami, Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech as SEC teams.

I don't know how much bigger the B1G will get. 20 seems to be goal.

I think the SEC will take UNC and UVA and stay at 18.

The B1G grabs Clemson and FSU

The 12 grabs Miami, VT, GT and Louisville to get to 20.

I don't too much realignment will happen, it's only going to dilute payout for a conference like the SEC.

Whatever happens, UConn will be a part of the remnants of what's left of the ACC.
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If the B1G stays at 20, Big 12 at 20, and SEC at 18, I'd be plenty happy with the remnants of the ACC. Especially with this format with Pitt, NCSU, and Duke left behind. Gets much uglier if the SEC wants 20 as well.
 
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WrenchFan69 said:
If the B1G stays at 20, Big 12 at 20, and SEC at 18, I'd be plenty happy with the remnants of the ACC. Especially with this format with Pitt, NCSU, ofand Duke left behind. Gets much uglier if the SEC wants 20 as well.
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I think the conference we end up in will look something like this:

BC
Duke
Wake Forest
Memphis
Syracuse
UConn
Louisville
South Florida

VT - unknown
GT- unknown

It's possible that the B1G could get rid of Rutgers as many other ACC teams could easily replace them and they're not founding members.

Maybe add a couple here and there. It's not ideal and a worst case scenario, but if the ACC breaks apart there won't be much left.
 
B1GEast said:
I think the conference we end up in will look something like this:

BC
Duke
Wake Forest
Memphis
Syracuse
UConn
Louisville
South Florida

VT - unknown
GT- unknown

It's possible that the B1G could get rid of Rutgers as many other ACC teams could easily replace them and they're not founding members.

Maybe add a couple here and there. It's not ideal and a worst case scenario, but if the ACC breaks apart there won't be much left.
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I would be happy with that for football. Keep ND and add Nova, Georgetown, and St John's for non-football. Would be great
 
Rufus said:

Big Ten Expansion: A Legacy of Strategic Growth​

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Lol let me translate that for you:

Maryland strong, academic, and athletic credentials

Rutgers uhhh they are near New York so they were an unfortunate necessary evil for us to make a money grab.
 
B1GEast said:
I think the conference we end up in will look something like this:

BC
Duke
Wake Forest
Memphis
Syracuse
UConn
Louisville
South Florida

VT - unknown
GT- unknown

It's possible that the B1G could get rid of Rutgers as many other ACC teams could easily replace them and they're not founding members.

Maybe add a couple here and there. It's not ideal and a worst case scenario, but if the ACC breaks apart there won't be much left.
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Big is not dumping Rutgers, that's wishful thinking.
 
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I could see Utah as #20 for the B1G. But my guess is the spot is reserved for UNC.
 
ZooCougar said:
I could see Utah as #20 for the B1G. But my guess is the spot is reserved for UNC.
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I would agree, but for UNC's public dalliance with the SEC.
 
CL82 said:
I would agree, but for UNC's public dalliance with the SEC.
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UNC may have a choice. I think in a few years the primacy and dominance of B1G make the choice easier.
 
One thing that everyone needs to realize is that the B1G & SEC are each playing a very long game. It could be fifteen, twenty years before each has completed their expansions, which I believe will leave both at 24 members.

I imagine that Utah will be in consideration at some point down the road and Arizona & Arizona St are also in slightly better positions than most of the remaining B-12. ND is going to hold things up as their run last season added a dozen years or so to their ability to remain independent in football. They aren't joining until they have no choice and the P2 can't close out everyone else until ND is in the P2.
 
Kolumbo said:
for many UConn fans and about 17 B1G programs. in all seriousness, it would be great to have rutgers in our future eastern conference, for us and for rutgers
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That's the great irony that has been evident for numerous schools.

We've been hurt by conference realignment, there's no doubt about that. But Rutgers has been hurt (richer, but hurt). Syracuse has been hurt. BC has been hurt, West Virginia has been hurt. And up until last year, Miami had been hurt.

These are schools that not only lowered their football prospects by leaving, but their other sports franchises as well in my opinion...
 
UConnDan97 said:
That's the great irony that has been evident for numerous schools.

We've been hurt by conference realignment, there's no doubt about that. But Rutgers has been hurt (richer, but hurt). Syracuse has been hurt. BC has been hurt, West Virginia has been hurt. And up until last year, Miami had been hurt.

These are schools that not only lowered their football prospects by leaving, but their other sports franchises as well in my opinion...
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I heard recently that Syracuse gutted their basketball NIL budget in favor of football.

It may not be accurate, but they don't have a prayer when it comes to getting to the same level of national prominence in football as their basketball could potentially. So cannibalizing basketball in this era just seems kind of foolish. I mean I am football first fan and even I can recognize the folly in that.

It's like that recent episode of South Park, the more money they make, the bigger their nut gets. They are going to grind themselves into irrelevance.

Rutgers should be swimming in money. They don't have any excuse. The place must be run by fools.
 
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ZooCougar said:
I heard recently that Syracuse gutted their basketball NIL budget in favor of football.

It may not be accurate, but they don't have a prayer when it comes to getting to the same level of national prominence in football as their basketball could potentially. So cannibalizing basketball in this era just seems kind of foolish. I mean I am football first fan and even I can recognize the folly in that.

It's like that recent episode of South Park, the more money they make, the bigger their nut gets. They are going to grind themselves into irrelevance.

Rutgers should be swimming in money. They don't have any excuse. The place must be run by fools.
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You're correct that Syracuse almost certainly has more chance of resurrecting their basketball team to the top vs their football team. It's been a very long time since Jim Brown.

But Syracuse knows what every other college program also knows: any future realignment will be football-driven, in the same way that the last realignments were. And to that end, Syracuse is trying to make the "long term play".

Imagine if UConn was put on the same financial field as these other clowns?? It would be night and day...
 
UConnDan97 said:
But Syracuse knows what every other college program also knows: any future realignment will be football-driven, in the same way that the last realignments were. And to that end, Syracuse is trying to make the "long term play".
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That ship has sailed. For UConn and Syracuse. UConn should have invested like crazy people on football in the 2010s when it still would have done some good. Heck, we should have outright lied and cheated. Then they would have known we were serious. Instead we went into budget friendly mode and hired a cadaver, a clown and a loser to coach our team because they were "affordable".

Where Syracuse is is the highest they will ever get in the ladder. Maybe if the B1G expands to 30 they will have a chance.
 
ZooCougar said:
That ship has sailed. For UConn and Syracuse. UConn should have invested like crazy people on football in the 2010s when it still would have done some good. Heck, we should have outright lied and cheated. Then they would have known we were serious. Instead we went into budget friendly mode and hired a cadaver, a clown and a loser to coach our team because they were "affordable".

Where Syracuse is is the highest they will ever get in the ladder. Maybe if the B1G expands to 30 they will have a chance.
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That is if 4 becomes 2 (B1G and SEC).

If 4 becomes 3, then they're trying to ensure a better chance of survival than Wake, UCF, etc.

It's also why we're trying to invest in football; to try to get into the 4 over the next five years...
 
UConnDan97 said:
That is if 4 becomes 2 (B1G and SEC).

If 4 becomes 3, then they're trying to ensure a better chance of survival than Wake, UCF, etc.

It's also why we're trying to invest in football; to try to get into the 4 over the next five years...
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It's obviously going to be 2.
 
ZooCougar said:
It's obviously going to be 2.
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That's not obvious to me. At least not in the next 10 years. You can't plan past that, either.

If it's only 2, then they either need a mechanism to freeze out large name-brand programs (FSU, Clemson, Baylor, etc.), or they need to find a mechanism to freeze out existing members (Vandy, Northwestern, Mississippi State, Rutgers, etc)...
 
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ZooCougar said:
That ship has sailed. For UConn and Syracuse. UConn should have invested like crazy people on football in the 2010s when it still would have done some good. Heck, we should have outright lied and cheated. Then they would have known we were serious. Instead we went into budget friendly mode and hired a cadaver, a clown and a loser to coach our team because they were "affordable".

Where Syracuse is is the highest they will ever get in the ladder. Maybe if the B1G expands to 30 they will have a chance.
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I feel like that was probably already too late in the investment needed to be no later than the 1990s.
 
@Rufus you seem to have the pulse of the BIG, what can you tell us of this plan the BIG has:
big-ten-full-expansion-plan-leaked-v0-rnl4vfkiwdjf1.png

I'm beyond stoked that the Whalers are coming back but come on, adding Area51...man, we can't compete with otherworldly money. 😅
 
KryHavok said:
@Rufus you seem to have the pulse of the BIG, what can you tell us of this plan the BIG has:
big-ten-full-expansion-plan-leaked-v0-rnl4vfkiwdjf1.png

I'm beyond stoked that the Whalers are coming back but come on, adding Area51...man, we can't compete with otherworldly money. 😅
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That Monsters U v. Faber College Clash is going to do big ratings.
 
KryHavok said:
@Rufus you seem to have the pulse of the BIG, what can you tell us of this plan the BIG has:
big-ten-full-expansion-plan-leaked-v0-rnl4vfkiwdjf1.png

I'm beyond stoked that the Whalers are coming back but come on, adding Area51...man, we can't compete with otherworldly money. 😅
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Saying that "we can't compete with otherwordly money" while we're also bringing the New York Cosmos along means that you just don't have a large enough vision of the project (try the Hubbell view)...
 
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