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We beat USF one year after they climbed to No. 2 (I think they beat Auburn when they were No. 1 to climb that high). They lost a game before they played us, so they weren't No. 2 when we beat them, but they may have been No. 10 or so.

Our best wins are ones where maybe the opponent wasn't ranked, but they made a statement: beating ND at ND, shutting out South Carolina in a bowl, throttling Iowa State, beating Baylor with RGIII. Some blowouts over teams like Duke, Wake and Indiana that proved we could hack it in the big leagues without being a doormat. We don't pretend to be Michigan or Ohio State football-wise, but for a short time at the FBS level, we've done a lot. The AD/coach rift (former AD now) and poor hire afterward have drained our momentum in the last two years, though.
I think that was the year RU beat them down on a Thursday night national game when they were #2 or #3 nationally(their highest rank ever) in one of those RU highlight type games like L'ville "06"!!The BE had some nice exposure in those weeknight games that so many viewed!I hope Aresco can do something to give the AAC some of that kind of national viewing opportunity for UConn?...Didn't USF give FSU a shocking beatdown that year?
 
Because people were enamored with his knowledge and credentials. Eventually more and more recognized the attitude shortcomings. (close-minded, arrogant, stand offish)

I don't have many rules about posting. But in specific situations I'll jump in. I'm very wary of mob mentality where emotions are gaining development in the masses that are not being tempered by reason. Thus if someone is flaming in a thread and is being taken to task I'm not in the least bit concerned unless the group is getting out the rope to hang the individual (emotionally I mean). Then I feel the need to speak up.

The other is teaching moments where I suspect there is a lot of confusion or misunderstanding of things about who we are and why we do the things we do.


I'm a BIG fan, you all know that, though certain schools come first and foremost & I'm very willing to root against conference foes when they play teams from other conferences.

As for your thoughts on FranktheTank - man that board is loaded with certain groups of truly arrogant, self-serving, completely clueless types who pose as intellectuals.

As a BIG fan, it's truly too easy to play devil's advocate to the BIG claims & I can imagine non-BIG fans know the following - 3 stunningly true facts:

1.) Football championships over the past 40 years (ACTUAL MEMBERSHIP MIND YOU)

2.) Second place finishes and actual NC's in basketball the past 20 years

3.) How often blue chips basketball or football recruits leave the conference footprint

And as some of you may know, Illinois, Frank's alma mater is the biggest underachiever in the BIG (football and basketball), and it isn't even close. Chicago Land, alone, = awesome hs basketball. How many NC's does Illinois have? Big, fat ZERO. In football, they are constantly getting out-recruited by neighbors w/their in-state talent. Illinois is the most populated state in the BIG.

On the other hand, there is a tone of constructive discussion, often enough, on that board. And once expansion talk is abandoned for other sports discussions, some of the best threads manifest.

But in terms of expansion, never be fooled by certain loyalists over there. They speak of expansion candidates as if they will come to the BIG with open arms & they so often put their narrow-minded, profit driven rhetoric behind such claims, almost always laced with academic prestige bs. The utter stupidity of some on there to constantly stick with UVa, UNC, GT, among others, as potential & sometimes likely candidates clearly demonstrates the provincial minded reasoning they cling to - never mind how the actual schools, their administration, alum and t-shirt fans feel. This folks didn't bother to observe how upset the vast majority of Md fans were about the BIG move & frankly they don't care. They predominantly see the dollar signs.

But, one thing I've learned about this expansion mania, surprises happen. So I don't need to eat crow if say UNC, GT, or Va do jump for the BIG. However, I'd be shocked.
 
I am a college football junky and have been for a lifetime.

One's viewpoint is most often a function of one's vantage point. And I have found that our vantage points are widely varied depending on region, conference and program.

I do bring a different perspective to a NE board, that of a North Florida Seminole fan. Sometimes we want everybody to see the world as we do...but the fact is, by discussing CR on board of another region, I access a different view than I get from my conference cronies' boards. And, you will get a different view from me.

Some may take umbrage to that view. I view it all as education and entertainment and don't begrudge anyone their viewpoint. Like all of us, I do believe in simple rules.

State your opinion honestly, explain your reasoning, try not to get personal nor ugly with a poster and avoid "kiddie board" smack talk.

We all have that natural bias based on our vantage point and experiences.....

About the only rule I'd like to see adopted is for other fans to respect recruiting threads. Those threads should be about the players, and two often they become peeing matches.
 
I'm a BIG fan, you all know that, though certain schools come first and foremost & I'm very willing to root against conference foes when they play teams from other conferences.

As for your thoughts on FranktheTank - man that board is loaded with certain groups of truly arrogant, self-serving, completely clueless types who pose as intellectuals.

As a BIG fan, it's truly too easy to play devil's advocate to the BIG claims & I can imagine non-BIG fans know the following - 3 stunningly true facts:

1.) Football championships over the past 40 years (ACTUAL MEMBERSHIP MIND YOU)

2.) Second place finishes and actual NC's in basketball the past 20 years

3.) How often blue chips basketball or football recruits leave the conference footprint

And as some of you may know, Illinois, Frank's alma mater is the biggest underachiever in the BIG (football and basketball), and it isn't even close. Chicago Land, alone, = awesome hs basketball. How many NC's does Illinois have? Big, fat ZERO. In football, they are constantly getting out-recruited by neighbors w/their in-state talent. Illinois is the most populated state in the BIG.

On the other hand, there is a tone of constructive discussion, often enough, on that board. And once expansion talk is abandoned for other sports discussions, some of the best thread manifest.

But in terms of expansion, never be fooled by certain loyalists over there. They speak of expansion candidates as if they will come to the BIG with open arms & they so often put their narrow-minded, profit driven rhetoric behind such claims, almost always laced with academic prestige bs. The utter stupidity of some on there to constantly stick with UVa, UNC, GT, among others, as potential & sometimes likely candidates clearly demonstrates the provincial minded reasoning they cling to - never mind how the actual schools, their administration, alum and t-shirt fans feel. This folks didn't bother to observe how upset the vast majority of Md fans were about the BIG move & frankly they don't care. They predominantly see the dollar signs.

But, one thing I've learned about this expansion mania, surprises happen. So I don't need to eat crow if say UNC, GT, or Va do jump for the BIG. However, I'd be shocked.

The big problem I have is that they have a lot of access to information, statistics, they all seem to be smart, but they are so entrenched in their positions that any counters based in stats or metrics will be ignored. They will fall back on schoolyard logic when the facts go against their perceptions.
 
The big problem I have is that they have a lot of access to information, statistics, they all seem to be smart, but they are so entrenched in their positions that any counters based in stats or metrics will be ignored. They will fall back on schoolyard logic when the facts go against their perceptions.

Read those links carefully & you'll inevitably realize what's painfully obvious with the links: much so-called journalism, esp the sports type, abandons truth for opinionated commentary & speculation.

What I've learned about expansion: even the most credible news agencies don't know details until the singular days leading up to the move, or the day the news actually breaks.

PSEUDO-INTELLECTUALISM works very well on FTT, as well as the fact that everyone is under an alias, thus daring, rather opinionated claims can be made & smack talk can run its course.
 
LOL...

I assume that some would label me as a "psuedointellectual". I am decently educated, well read, like data, and tend to post in complete sentences. I don't watch cartoons on Saturday morning.

How can one be a "bonified intelleectual" or is psuedo the on;y type that we recognize?
 
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I'm a BIG fan, you all know that, though certain schools come first and foremost & I'm very willing to root against conference foes when they play teams from other conferences.

As for your thoughts on FranktheTank - man that board is loaded with certain groups of truly arrogant, self-serving, completely clueless types who pose as intellectuals.

As a BIG fan, it's truly too easy to play devil's advocate to the BIG claims & I can imagine non-BIG fans know the following - 3 stunningly true facts:

1.) Football championships over the past 40 years (ACTUAL MEMBERSHIP MIND YOU)

2.) Second place finishes and actual NC's in basketball the past 20 years

3.) How often blue chips basketball or football recruits leave the conference footprint

And as some of you may know, Illinois, Frank's alma mater is the biggest underachiever in the BIG (football and basketball), and it isn't even close. Chicago Land, alone, = awesome hs basketball. How many NC's does Illinois have? Big, fat ZERO. In football, they are constantly getting out-recruited by neighbors w/their in-state talent. Illinois is the most populated state in the BIG.

On the other hand, there is a tone of constructive discussion, often enough, on that board. And once expansion talk is abandoned for other sports discussions, some of the best threads manifest.

But in terms of expansion, never be fooled by certain loyalists over there. They speak of expansion candidates as if they will come to the BIG with open arms & they so often put their narrow-minded, profit driven rhetoric behind such claims, almost always laced with academic prestige bs. The utter stupidity of some on there to constantly stick with UVa, UNC, GT, among others, as potential & sometimes likely candidates clearly demonstrates the provincial minded reasoning they cling to - never mind how the actual schools, their administration, alum and t-shirt fans feel. This folks didn't bother to observe how upset the vast majority of Md fans were about the BIG move & frankly they don't care. They predominantly see the dollar signs.

But, one thing I've learned about this expansion mania, surprises happen. So I don't need to eat crow if say UNC, GT, or Va do jump for the BIG. However, I'd be shocked.

That is a reasonable, realistic and refreshing assessment of the B1G (and some of its fans) from a B1G fan.Unfortunately, we have to endure a couple of Big fans that try to devalue real, tangible accomplishments by UCONN, and feverishly seek out remote and irrelevant facts that might be perceived as detrimental, while habitually overstating the football product and academics of the B1G. As noted above, the same fans ignore the fact that the B1G hasn't had a lot of success attracting bellwether schools to date (this could change).

The irony, is that UCONN gets bashed by teams that are blatant underachievers, while garnering respect from schools that have won multiple national championships, i.e., Kansas, UNC, and even Duke.
 
That is not even a consideration given that the Big Ten will no longer play FCS teams, as a conference.

That ASU game was a shocker on soooooo many levels.

Conceiveably, it could happen again, as App State, alongside Georgia Southern, moved into the FBS this season. Both joined the Sunbelt Conference.
 
Top level OOC schools never took much interest in recent years scheduling RU/UConn/Cincy.

Schools that play tough fast defense and aren't the highest level national draws aren't worth it to these schools.

You'll get one every so often but not on a regular basis.

The Rutgers-UNC games from 2010 and 2011 were darned good games. Both went right down to the wire. We were lucky to win both of them, when we probably should have lost both.
 
Conceiveably, it could happen again, as App State, alongside Georgia Southern, moved into the FBS this season. Both joined the Sunbelt Conference.


If you're referring to App State the game's already scheduled for next year. If Michigan somehow botches that again we'll never live it down.
 
One of the things I like about these forums is to observe posters. It's hard to get a good gauge of our personalities with just the written word but there is enough evidence to get a first impression.

woomba is a big ten guy, like frank, that comes to this forum reminding us of "his" conference's superiority and how UConn is unworthy of joining the club.
frank uses a different style, but in the end the two of them are very similar in that they get pleasure at elevating themselves by putting others down. They are just plain arrogant.
billybudd is more about defending the position of FSU in choosing Ville over UConn. He's not necessarily coming from a place of superiority but naturally, like many of us, loves shining the positive light on the university he roots for with an occasional demeaning statement.
Southroncross and bstimpy strongly feel UConn would be an asset to the ACC and should have been selected from the get go. Southron is here just to have discourse and wants to know more about the northeast and UConn in particular. bstimpy is very confident in his position and actually quite balanced in how he thinks. Reminds me somewhat of businesslawyer. He intrigues me in that he has the attitude to want challenge (UConn, Cuse as bb partners) even if the challenge could adversely impact his alma maters standing.
NickyNewark strongly wants UConn as a partner in the B!G. He's defensive for Rutgers but that is understandable.
B!GALUM, GohperHawk and Gfunk are B!G guys who would love UConn in the B!G, are proud of their conference but have stayed for the most part away from engagement about whose better or worse.

Hope this scorecard helps you and others.

That is a spot on eval. The give and take has been fun, and, its cool to hear from fans who've offered an impartial and reasoned perspective on how it played out, and, why the choices were either good or bad.

I am fascinated by CR, and, the ramifications of it. I freely admit I was shocked when Pitt was chosen over UConn. I have nothing against Pitt, and, I welcome them to the league. Ditto Syracuse, and, Louisville.

When the ACC was first formed, it decided to be a basketball-focused league, unlike our Southern brothers, the SEC. It made us unique, and, we built a great national rand from it. Adding those three teams boosts the brand. It just amazed me that the ACC flat out whiffed on grabbing the northeast's biggest hoops brand (men's & women's) to finish it off. The national cred UConn would bring will no longer be available to the ACC anymore, if you receive and accept a B1G invite.

Its alway been my position that 'football drives, the bus, basketball sits in the front seat.' The content that conference networks would need to survive will be driven in large part by hoops. If an ACCN ever comes to pass, we'll have plenty. UConn would've added so much more, on both sides. I hope the league does not come to regret not choosing you in 2011.
 
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What might be fortunate about being UConn is we can also leave the B1G for the ACC. I don't see any reason, though. We can schedule ACC out of conference.
 
What might be fortunate about being UConn is we can also leave the B1G for the ACC. I don't see any reason, though. We can schedule ACC out of conference.


Would be pretty messy with the GoRs & CIC integration though.
 
My thought exactly. Only a teenager would bother coming to another team's board to foolishly troll all day and night. Why does he/she do it? Because we're UCONN. I highly doubt he/she is spouting off on Cincinnati's board. Just put the kid on ignore.

He can both read and write (is functionally literate) and as such is probably not even a "ville" alumni.
 
My thought exactly. Only a teenager would bother coming to another team's board to foolishly troll all day and night. Why does he/she do it? Because we're UCONN. I highly doubt he/she is spouting off on Cincinnati's board. Just put the kid on ignore.

He can both read and write (is functionally literate) and as such is probably not even a "ville" alumni.
 
Apparently both the Big 10 and ACC are much farther from NYC dominance than they'd like. I just received an email from Ticketmaster offering a 40% discount on tickets to the Penn State - Syracuse game at Met Life Stadium using the rather pessimistic sounding offer code "PUNT31".
 
Apparently both the Big 10 and ACC are much farther from NYC dominance than they'd like. I just received an email from Ticketmaster offering a 40% discount on tickets to the Penn State - Syracuse game at Met Life Stadium using the rather pessimistic sounding offer code "PUNT31".
On PSU's board I read they expect 80% of the crowd to be for PSU and ticket sales at SU are awful?I know for USC last year at Metlife Cuse only had about 18G fan's out of 38,500(announced?) or so who showed up for a bigtime draw while RU was 16 miles away playing Howard U in front of 50G+ fans at the same time!
 
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As I wrote last fall, the Big Ten's addition of Rutgers and Maryland was motivated more by its existing product than either of the new members. While Rutgers gives the Big Ten a boost in the New York/New Jersey market, the real victory is being able to showcase bigger products like Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State more often. New York has the University of Michigan's third largest concentration of alumni outside of Detroit and Chicago. Ohio State has more alumni in New York than any other out-of-state region except for Washington D.C./Northern Virginia. Penn State has nearly 30,000 alumni in the New York-New Jersey market.

The Big Ten has made not only New York, but the entire northeast corridor its top priority in the next few years as it starts the process of negotiating what will be a massive new television contract.


http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/category/_/name/big-ten-conference
Except that Rutgers doesn't have an audience in NYC or anywhere for that matter.
 
I have never been up the east coast further than Baltimore...I would like to visit NY city one time for a football game. It is on my bucket list. I may have to just visit without football in order to check it off.

Heck, it has been 25 years since I have last seen snow....I just bought a mountain cabin in western NC as a vacation home and I am hoping to go up there this winter if we get some snow. New York around the holidays, say Thanksgiving, would be a great trip.
 
I have never been up the east coast further than Baltimore...I would like to visit NY city one time for a football game. It is on my bucket list. I may have to just visit without football in order to check it off.

Heck, it has been 25 years since I have last seen snow....I just bought a mountain cabin in western NC as a vacation home and I am hoping to go up there this winter if we get some snow. New York around the holidays, say Thanksgiving, would be a great trip.

Uconn is playing Army at Yankee Stadium in 2014.
 
Except that Rutgers doesn't have an audience in NYC or anywhere for that matter.
When SU was on ESPN in primetime playing ranked WVU and RU was on the "U" at the same time on the same night RU playing another unranked BE team tripled them(1.75/0.61 on Neilsons in NYC viewership about 2 years ago and always has "since "05" done so!SU can't even grab their home State but RU gets theres NJ,NYC and chunks of Pa!No one watches SU FB locally let alone nationally and their recruiting reflects that as all there FB recruits are RU scraps!
 
Except that Rutgers doesn't have an audience in NYC or anywhere for that matter.
Plus NJ alone is bigger than NYC representing a HUGE DEMO in its own right even if they didnt have 1 NYC viewer which we all know is bogus as RUFB is #1 in NYC over even ND!!
 
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Except that Rutgers doesn't have an audience in NYC or anywhere for that matter.
btw,whose your powerhouse rooting interest that you presume to speak for my home city?I bet whoever it is you seem to be motivated by an agenda as anyone whose local (except Cusefans) know RUFB in NYC is #1 even though only 3% of NYers (according to ?)are CFB fans but if thats the case why the fuss over NYC by the conferences?Why all the research paid for that you claim to be an expert in?Why don't you offer the B1G and the ACC your expertise?
 
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Two years ago Rutgers and Army played at Yankee Stadium before 30K. With 15K coming down the Palisades from West Point and 15K coming up the Turnpike from NJ, that leaves about 25 Rutgers fans in NYC that bothered to take the 4 or 6 train to the stadium.

I'm being slightly facetious, but for all the bluster, there's little real evidence that there's significant interest in Rutgers on the East side of the Hudson.
 
Good Luck with that 65 years in the NE was enough winter for me.
I'll be in Cabot in Dec

Just get dressed well and you'll be fine. Temp should be 35 at worst in November. Likely better. I regularly watch December games in 15 degrees, and if you get dressed for it, you don't even feel the cold.
 
Two years ago Rutgers and Army played at Yankee Stadium before 30K. With 15K coming down the Palisades from West Point and 15K coming up the Turnpike from NJ, that leaves about 25 Rutgers fans in NYC that bothered to take the 4 or 6 train to the stadium.

I'm being slightly facetious, but for all the bluster, there's little real evidence that there's significant interest in Rutgers on the East side of the Hudson.
Like I said?Whose your rooting interest that you think so little of the #1 NYC CFB team?Can you show a worthier FB school for the NY market?BTW there were 30G RU fans at that Army game even tho Army was supposed to be the home team!Wheres Armys national built in base?Also RU and L'ville led the conference in attendence no matter how your gonna spin it!
 
Like I said?Whose your rooting interest that you think so little of the #1 NYC CFB team?Can you show a worthier FB school for the NY market?BTW there were 30G RU fans at that Army game even tho Army was supposed to be the home team!Wheres Armys national built in base?Also RU and L'ville led the conference in attendence no matter how your gonna spin it!
Yankee stadium btw is a terrible field for football and thousands of RU fans say they refuse to go there to watch....bad views,overpriced and the field breaks up into chunks!West Point is maybe the best place for a fall FB game except its slightly isolated!Whats your major interest in RU FB that you seem to follow them so closely Knibblesonchips?
 
Two years ago Rutgers and Army played at Yankee Stadium before 30K. With 15K coming down the Palisades from West Point and 15K coming up the Turnpike from NJ, that leaves about 25 Rutgers fans in NYC that bothered to take the 4 or 6 train to the stadium.

I'm being slightly facetious, but for all the bluster, there's little real evidence that there's significant interest in Rutgers on the East side of the Hudson.
Wheres the evidence to the contrary?Hasn't the long study done by the B1G into RU's value and acceptence put that old baby to bed?....Tell us more oh drunk uncle Bout the good old glory days.
 
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