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I can't understand why BCU, Cuse and Pitt aren't on the phone every day pleading to get UConn into the ACC. They need the juice we would give their moribund sports teams.
 
huskymedic said:
Decent (but long) thread/ACC Summary:

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Good summary of the above thread for the ADD crowd:

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Waquoit said:
I can't understand why BCU, Cuse and Pitt aren't on the phone every day pleading to get UConn into the ACC. They need the juice we would give their moribund sports teams.
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Hale's tweet says that the ACC looked at Washington, Oregon, West Virginia, and SMU and "the dollars just aren't there". No mention of UConn, but I'm sure it would be reported the same, the dollars aren't there.

For those saying that UConn should wait for an offer from the ACC, it's pretty clear that we are not on the ACC's radar.
 
Waquoit said:
I can't understand why BCU, Cuse and Pitt aren't on the phone every day pleading to get UConn into the ACC. They need the juice we would give their moribund sports teams.
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The current ACC reminds me of the Big12 in the final couple years before Oklahoma and Texas left. The ACC is currently trying to appease their football powers, Clemson and FSU, in the hopes they won’t leave.

Clemson and FSU only care about keeping up with the SEC and BIG10 football powers in revenue and recruiting status. They certainly don’t care about Cuse, Pitt or BCU and are not interested in a long term investment in those programs. The only additions FSU and Clemson would allow are ones that bring in more than $35 million individually and upgrade the ACC’s football pedigree…UConn doesn’t met those requirements.

Before it’s said and done Clemson and FSU will walk out on the ACC just like Oklahoma and Texas did….and just like Oklahoma and Texas, Clemson and FSU will selfishly make all about them prior to leaving.

There isn’t a balanced power arrangement in the ACC and the northeast school aren‘t calling the shots. Give the Big12 full credit, they took the hit when Oklahoma and Texas left and negotiated a new big money TV contract which insured all the remaining BIG 12 members survived without a pay cut.

My guess is there will be no similar golden parachute for all the ACC members when their anchor programs leave.…
 
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Waquoit said:
I can't understand why BCU, Cuse and Pitt aren't on the phone every day pleading to get UConn into the ACC. They need the juice we would give their moribund sports teams.
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Here is my rant about BC:

The leaders of BC have no interest in their athletic programs. Mike DiMauro, the BC graduate who we all hate, even admits it.

The sports writers who say that UConn should stay in the Big East should start calling out the schools, like BC, who have no business collecting P5 money.

 
dwalks93 said:
The current ACC reminds me of the Big12 in the final couple years before Oklahoma and Texas left. The ACC is currently trying to appease their football powers, Clemson and FSU, in the hopes they won’t leave.

Clemson and FSU only care about keeping up with the SEC and BIG10 football powers in revenue and recruiting status. They certainly don’t care about Cuse, Pitt or BCU and are not interested in a long term investment in those programs. The only additions FSU and Clemson would allow are ones that bring in more than $35 million individually and upgrade the ACC’s football pedigree…UConn doesn’t met those requirements.

Before it’s said and done Clemson and FSU will walk out on the ACC just like Oklahoma and Texas did….and just like Oklahoma and Texas, Clemson and FSU will selfishly make all about them prior to leaving.

There isn’t a balanced power arrangement in the ACC and the northeast school aren‘t calling the shots. Give the Big12 full credit, they took the hit when Oklahoma and Texas left and negotiated a new big money TV contract which insured all the remaining BIG 12 members survived without a pay cut.

My guess is there will be no similar golden parachute for all the ACC members when their anchor programs leave.…
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The ACC started this conference jumping but aren't the masters of it. Now many want to abandoned the boring league they created. FL St stop competing before there was a money difference. They have one excuse after another.
 
huskymedic said:
Good summary of the above thread for the ADD crowd:

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jostar1 said:
Hale's tweet says that the ACC looked at Washington, Oregon, West Virginia, and SMU and "the dollars just aren't there". No mention of UConn, but I'm sure it would be reported the same, the dollars aren't there.

For those saying that UConn should wait for an offer from the ACC, it's pretty clear that we are not on the ACC's radar.
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And West Virginia is locked into a GOR of its own. Why would they even be an option for the ACC? UConn makes a whole lot of more sense in that scenario.
 
uchusky32 said:
The ACC started this conference jumping but aren't the masters of it. Now many want to abandoned the boring league they created. FL St stop competing before there was a money difference. They have one excuse after another.
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FSU is playing the same role Texas played in the Big12.…A team with a huge media following/alumni base and which allegedly is worth a ton of conference money yet consistently underproduces on the field and court. And, just like Texas, FSU is latching onto “the conference is holding us back” excuse instead of owning their failures.

At this point, for the football powers in the ACC, it’s a “pump and dump.” They don’t care about the long term survival of the ACC and their only goal is to get as much as they can before they can get out and move to a
P2 league. Unfortunately, for FSU and Clemson “as much as they can” in the ACC will never equal the BIG/SEC.

Nothing destroys a conference faster than members no longer vested in its long term existence/success. The ACC is in that spot now. And the worst kind of divorce is one which publicly plays out over years.

Grab your popcorn, it’s going to be a full show watching the ACC tear itself apart.
 
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huskymedic said:
Good summary of the above thread for the ADD crowd:

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ADD & OCD.

And we have realignment threads all over the place. No one talks about option 3 - espn renegotiates, which would seem to be a fair route. Unless espn actually wants the ACC to implode.
 
Kolumbo said:
ADD & OCD.

And we have realignment threads all over the place. No one talks about option 3 - espn renegotiates, which would seem to be a fair route. Unless espn actually wants the ACC to implode.
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I'd argue ESPN doesn't have the inclination or the incentive to pay more for rights it already owns, particularly in a time of corporate cost-cutting at Disney. It doesn't need the ACC.. if the ACC fell apart they'd just air some other SEC or Big XII game as the secondary Saturday night (ESPN2) time-slot. It has no incentive to pay the ACC more or to care about the ACC beyond what makes their time-slots more profitable.
 
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The final year of Big East Football:
UConn, Cincy, Temple, USF, Rutgers, Pitt, Cuse, L-ville

You listen to a Big 12 offer, do your due diligence, and grab ahold 5 minutes later.
Whatever happens with the ACC and PAC, the Big 12 will be the seller.
 
Stinger92860 said:
UConn Research Surges to Record Level

We are working on it, but a long way to go to get to B1G levels

“UConn puts a great deal of attention and work into the support and cultivation of its research, and we have many reasons to be optimistic based on our trajectory in recent years that this growth is a trend that will continue,” says Radenka Maric, UConn’s Vice President for Research, Innovation, and Entrepreneurship.
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And now consider Radenka is the full time UConn president now. The emphasis on research is even stronger now… And she’s willing to play hardball with Gov Lamont over funding, even threatening to remove UConn sports from the XL center if need be.
 
DblCrossbar said:
And now consider Radenka is the full time UConn president now. The emphasis on research is even stronger now… And she’s willing to play hardball with Gov Lamont over funding, even threatening to remove UConn sports from the XL center if need be.
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I posted this in the Basketball forum, but the only way for UCONN to get a B1G invite is get football firing on all cylinders, joining the B12 would accomplish that mi$$ion as Mora combined with the B12 would bring football to heights we have never seen before. Then we become attractive to the B1G.

The B12 is a necessary steppingstone on our path to the B1G.
 
UConn, USF and Temple are the only former Big East football schools not in the P5 (if that term even still exists). UConn has been connected to rumors of a Big 12 invite. USF would make a logical travel partner in the Big 12 for UCF. Is Temple screwed no matter what?

The other former schools in what is now the P5: Tulane, Rice, SMU. All 3 could end up in the PAC 12, depending on additional defects from the PAC 12.

Now that Rice is joining the American, all 6 of those schools have been American schools, with 5 still in the American.
 
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ScottVib said:
This is a big thing that would work in UConn's favor. If Yormark looks at a UConn program with excellent hoops and sees an opportunity to invest to make football more valuable in a good market area he'd make the move... for all sports. Which is exactly what UConn needs.
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Great point. At the moment CT and New England in particular (sorry BC and even Holy Cross and UNH at the FCS level) isn’t a great college football market - we're definitely more geared towards pro football, but as the halcyon days of the Big East showed, there is great potential in this market to become one. With the exception of the Rentch needing maintenance and an overhaul, UConn has in the background created B12 and even B1G worthy training and game day facilities. The notion of market growth and converting fans to viewers of the B12 league has definite appeal in a state that doesn't have a major league franchise of our own to root for and UConn is that de facto entity.

As for the NYC, UConn is maybe equal to or better than Rutgers, which is significant in terms of raw numbers but not percent of that space that would watch these football games. The basketball brand carries more weight to that area with the prestige of the Men's and Women's programs at astronomical levels.
 
dwalks93 said:
FSU is playing the same role Texas played in the Big12.…A team with a huge media following/alumni base and which allegedly is worth a ton of conference money yet consistently underproduces on the field and court. And, just like Texas, FSU is latching onto “the conference is holding us back” excuse instead of owning their failures.

At this point, for the football powers in the ACC, it’s a “pump and dump.” They don’t care about the long term survival of the ACC and their only goal is to get as much as they can before they can get out and move to a
P2 league. Unfortunately, for FSU and Clemson “as much as they can” in the ACC will never equal the BIG/SEC.

Nothing destroys a conference faster than members no longer vested in its long term existence/success. The ACC is in that spot now. And the worst kind of divorce is one which publicly plays out over years.

Grab your popcorn, it’s going to be a full show watching the ACC tear itself apart.
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Definitely a lot of truth in your post. One of the reasons that this current version of The Big 12 has a chance to be stable is the lack of “better” options for its current members.

It’s imperative that these schools all work together in order to obtain the best deal that they can. No 2-4 programs are carrying the water for the conference in the way that it is happening in The ACC and PAC.

No one is suspicious of the actions of any other member as they each realize that it’s Big 12 or bust for all of them. Imagine being WF or Syracuse right now. Would you take anything that FSU or Clemson says at face value? Same with UW and UO in The PAC.
 
Ldandy said:
Definitely a lot of truth in your post. One of the reasons that this current version of The Big 12 has a chance to be stable is the lack of “better” options for its current members.

It’s imperative that these schools all work together in order to obtain the best deal that they can. No 2-4 programs are carrying the water for the conference in the way that it is happening in The ACC and PAC.

No one is suspicious of the actions of any other member as they each realize that it’s Big 12 or bust for all of them. Imagine being WF or Syracuse right now. Would you take anything that FSU or Clemson says at face value? Same with UW and UO in The PAC.
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Even more, would you trust Pitt?

deadspin.com

Deadspin | Someone Please Remind Andy Katz That ESPN Had A Hand In The Big East's Demise

Deadspin | Someone Please Remind Andy Katz That ESPN Had A Hand In The Big East's Demise
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I’ve seen different numbers for potential revenue by league. Can someone comment on what they have seen. I have the following, but not sure its reality.

BE: Current - 6M, Potential - 8/9M
B12 - 30M up to 50M with CFP and NCAAB payouts
ACC - 30M until the GOR expires in 2036
 
Stinger92860 said:
I’ve seen different numbers for potential revenue by league. Can someone comment on what they have seen. I have the following, but not sure its reality.

BE: Current - 6M, Potential - 8/9M
B12 - 30M up to 50M with CFP and NCAAB payouts
ACC - 30M until the GOR expires in 2036
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I think every conference's total payout would be enhanced by CFP (obviously not the BE) and NCAAB payouts as well as escalators in the baseline tv rights. Not sure how accurate but there's this...

 
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