B12 and ACC on the clock!

[John]

Posters does not equal administrators. Also you'll find plenty of level headed posters that realize the ACC isn't why they suck. It was letting Boeheim stick around too long and letting his kids be focal point of the teams. They probably will have to go through multiple coaches to get it right, but they will likely find the next guy.

and be able to afford buyouts for coaches they cut loose and lucrative contracts for new ones they're trying to entice.

 

[Husky25]

Will the next coach be able to recruit to Syracuse? Boeheim had cache by way of a 50 year history of being Boeeim. He could also fall back in one-dimensional players by hiding their defensive deficiencies in the zone. 3pt distance and offensive confidence has rendered the 2-3 zone obsolete as a full-time defensive base.

Syracuse built organic rivalries with UConn, GTown, and St. Johns and could use the conference, as Calhoun did. For as long as they've been associated, there really isn't a history, so to speak, with Pittsburgh or BC. No other program is within a day's drive. Also there was a lot of coaching turnover for the perrenial ACC powers all at once, and how much longer does Larranega or Hamilton have? oh yeah, facilities are outdated as well.

It'll be interesting to see how another coach recruits and rebuilds the program.

 

[noeynox]

Will the next coach be able to recruit to Syracuse? Boeheim had cache by way of a 50 year history of being Boeeim. He could also fall back in one-dimensional players by hiding their defensive deficiencies in the zone. 3pt distance and offensive confidence has rendered the 2-3 zone obsolete as a full-time defensive base.

Syracuse built organic rivalries with UConn, GTown, and St. Johns and could use the conference, as Calhoun did. For as long as they've been associated, there really isn't a history, so to speak, with Pittsburgh or BC. No other program is within a day's drive. Also there was a lot of coaching turnover for the perrenial ACC powers all at once, and how much longer does Larranega or Hamilton have? oh yeah, facilities are outdated as well.

It'll be interesting to see how another coach recruits and rebuilds the program.

I think it may take a while. I expect Autry to struggle. Almost all schools struggle to replace a legend. Even UConn, Ollie started like a house on fire but it was evident he wasn't up for the job recruiting wise as time went on.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Go on the Syracuse message board and see how many posters wish syracuse was in the big east

Yeah, but the thing is, schools in that conference that could legitimately land in the B1G or SEC aren't leaving the ACC as the cost to depart is too prohibitive, even with B1G or SEC money as the reward.

Message board comments lamenting a move that cannot be undone have no more value than someone here posting about the benefits if we were to join the B1G, or settle with joining the ACC or B-12.

 

[hoopsfan22]

Yeah, but the thing is, schools in that conference that could legitimately land in the B1G or SEC aren't leaving the ACC as the cost to depart is too prohibitive, even with B1G or SEC money as the reward.

Message board comments lamenting a move that cannot be undone have no more value than someone here posting about the benefits if we were to join the B1G, or settle with joining the ACC or B-12.

If enough schools collude by finding new landing spots, the ACC's GOR, which is the only thing holding the league together, goes bye bye. If there are at least eight schools of value from the ACC that can secure a spot in the B1G/SEC/Big XII that would do it, and the Big XII at least I think will take anyone.

 

[UConn Dan]

Why are we buying into the number 8?? ACC needs two-thirds to dissolve the conference, why would they only need 8 to dissolve the GOR? Why would ESPN sign off on that?

 

[FfldCntyFan]

If enough schools collude by finding new landing spots, the ACC's GOR, which is the only thing holding the league together, goes bye bye. If there are at least eight schools of value from the ACC that can secure a spot in the B1G/SEC/Big XII that would do it, and the Big XII at least I think will take anyone.

Is the B-12 a better home than the ACC? In terms of revenues I'm guessing it will be at best even and travel costs will increase noticeably.

The only schools that would legitimately benefit from a number of ACC schools departing for the B-12 would be the ACC members who will immediately end up in the SEC or B1G. Why would five or six schools make a lateral move just to benefit a couple current conference members who will almost immediately be well ahead of them in the food chain?

 

[dwalks93]

If we witnessed one thing in the old Big East it was schools were willing to sell out their conference mates and make sure they had an early spot in the lifeboat. It was a real world prisoner’s dilemma.

BC, Cuse and Pitt have already shown a ruthless and draconian approach to realignment. They have to know if they don’t jump before the ACC implodes they’ll be on the outside looking in. If they get offered a spot now they might bail.

Lots of posters suggested the top 8 ACC programs would need to agree to leave but what it was the top 4 and 4 of the bottom half?

Maybe the better question is would the Big12 be willing to take lesser properties now if it would lead to the immediate demise of the ACC? At that point perhaps schools like UVA, UNC, VT, Miami, etc…become available and have to join. The BIG and SEC will take who they want but the destruction of the ACC almost certainly insure the Big12 survives.

 

[Huskies86]

Question about the GOR. When Florida State signed over its media content to the ACC, it can only do that for FSU home games, is that right? If FSU left the ACC for the BIG10/SEC before the GOR ended, then FSU’s home games would still be owned by the ACC and broadcast on ESPN? Would FSU’s away game media then be owned by the BIG10/SEC? If so, why would ESPN still want to pay full price for what could be half of Florida States’ content? I am sure I am missing something so any help appreciated.

 

[gmc1055]

Moving from the Big East to the ACC causes teams to suck.
Moving from the Big East to the ACC has a positive correlation to sucking.
Either way, Fork that!
Seriously though, there is more than enough reason to be concerned and UCONN is in a very strong position.
UCONN has been in the news more than any other university these past few weeks. It would be interesting if someone could quantify the value of that media bonus to the University and to the state.

UCONN would still be able to recruit. They would have rivalries with Syracuse and Pitt and help those programs. NC and Duke already hate us, another rivalry. UCONN would thrive. Only downside is BE Tounament which is by far the best.

 

[gmc1055]

If the Big12 showed interest the ACC would offer just.like they did for Louisville.

 

[CL82]

And 14 of the last 28. 16 in total over that period.

 

[gmc1055]

If the Big12 showed interest the ACC would offer just.like they did for Louisville.

Pitt

 

[ZOOCONN]

Trying to quantify what would be “enough money” to justify a move to the big 12, I came up with this:

1) Best likely scenario for big east broadcast rate revenue in the new contract: $8M

2) Herbst said that by moving to the big east, we saved approximately $2 million a year in travel costs. Let’s assume that that would be the same as travel cost of the big 12, although it may be more.

3) Assuming the above points are correct a basketball only broadcast rights distribution in the big 12 of $10 million would be breakeven for any current Big East schools.

4) No school would move for breakeven, so the big 12 would have to be offering some significant amount above that to induce schools to move. Let’s assume that the lowest amount which would maybe make the move worthwhile is $12M. It may well need to be more than this.

5) Based upon Notre Dame’s deal with the ACC. The basketball only portion of a broadcast rates deal is worth no more than 20% of the whole.

6) In order to pay former big east conference schools $12 million as a basketball only, without diluting any schools existing shares, the big 12 would have to be earning $60 million per school in broadcast rights. It isn’t.

So, unless they find a media partner who is willing to pay the big east schools, more than fair market value, or unless the existing big 12 schools agree to take a reduced share to bring in the big east schools, the numbers don’t appear to work.

(It is possible, though that ESPN or fox might be willing to pay the top Big East schools a premium over FMV, because it will be cheaper than paying the entire conference 8 million per school.)

So that WV realignment guy on twitter has stated from his “source” that fox/ ESPN would be willing to pay the additional fee for select schools, UConn was included in that list, Washington, zona, and Utah were others I believe.

 

[Stinger92860]

So that WV realignment guy on twitter has stated from his “source” that fox/ ESPN would be willing to pay the additional fee for select schools, UConn was included in that list, Washington, zona, and Utah were others I believe.

If you mean the grown man who lives in his mothers basement in the woods of wva, then yes

 

[ZOOCONN]

If you mean the grown man who lives in his mothers basement in the woods of wva, then yes

I said on Twitter that he’s been slinging garbage for years that’s never come to fruition, ya never know tho

 

[willie99]

Big10 or Big East

They want to actually be a basketball powerhouse instead of a first weekend conference, we're here for you

 

[jostar1]

I said on Twitter that he’s been slinging garbage for years that’s never come to fruition, ya never know tho

It could come out of nowhere. Somebody could overhear something. Like this guy:

 

[Waquoit]

They may not help but they’re not the root cause .

There can be more than one root cause. And if you don't want to make the conference the prime, I disagree, but fine. But one thing that can't be argued is once the death spiral came, we were not getting out of it by staying there. It was a millstone, an albatross. A millbatross. Last week just doesn't happen in the AAC.

 

[DGB]

There can be more than one root cause. And if you don't want to make the conference the prime, I disagree, but fine. But one thing that can't be argued is once the death spiral came, we were not getting out of it by staying there. It was a millstone, an albatross. A millbatross. Last week just doesn't happen in the AAC.

I understand your premise here that a change needed to be made after things got as bad as they did...but a week last week DID happen in the AAC. I get it was a transition year but you can't revise it out of existence. If Ollie simply kept coaching it could have happened again.

Ollie and the Diaco-tross are the reasons both basketball and football went into relative tailspins...and they are the reason the likes of Cincinatti, UCF, BYU, and Houston jumped UConn in the Power 5/Big 12 pecking order.

It also seems that blaming the AAC is the way UConn fans who oddly hate the football program excuse past bball failures.

 

[Fishy]

If enough schools collude by finding new landing spots, the ACC's GOR, which is the only thing holding the league together, goes bye bye. If there are at least eight schools of value from the ACC that can secure a spot in the B1G/SEC/Big XII that would do it, and the Big XII at least I think will take anyone.

People keep thinking this is true.

It is not.

 

[coachcap]

I understand your premise here that a change needed to be made after things got as bad as they did...but a week last week DID happen in the AAC. I get it was a transition year but you can't revise it out of existence. If Ollie simply kept coaching it could have happened again.

Ollie and the Diaco-tross are the reasons both basketball and football went into relative tailspins...and they are the reason the likes of Cincinatti, UCF, BYU, and Houston jumped UConn in the Power 5/Big 12 pecking order.

It also seems that blaming the AAC is the way UConn fans who oddly hate the football program excuse past bball failures.

Um, your last line doesn't apply to Waquoit: He's been a football season ticket holder since at least the opening of the RENT.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Moving from the Big East to the ACC causes teams to suck.
Moving from the Big East to the ACC has a positive correlation to sucking.
Either way, Fork that!
Seriously though, there is more than enough reason to be concerned and UCONN is in a very strong position.
UCONN has been in the news more than any other university these past few weeks. It would be interesting if someone could quantify the value of that media bonus to the University and to the state.

You missed a key factor. Moving from a conference with UConn to one without UConn has a correlation to sucking. This would not apply to us of course. It's not the ACC that is the issue for Cuse, BC and Pitt, VT, Louisville or WVU (note Miami did not suck). It's being deprived of UConn.

UConn to the ACC would revive all of those moribund programs. UConn is basketball mana.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Yeah, but the thing is, schools in that conference that could legitimately land in the B1G or SEC aren't leaving the ACC as the cost to depart is too prohibitive, even with B1G or SEC money as the reward.

Message board comments lamenting a move that cannot be undone have no more value than someone here posting about the benefits if we were to join the B1G, or settle with joining the ACC or B-12.

Yep. There is no magic way out of the GOR as Fishy noted. None of those schools are going anywhere for a decade. The only reason they bitch at all is that they make less money, but it is stable money. The Pac is screwed. The Big XII quickly took a lifeboat deal and left the Pac to drown. The ACC is third best conference and it is likely to remain the 3rd best conference. It's not a sinking ship, it's a less luxurious yacht than the SEC or B1G, but we're in a freaking Sunfish sailboat.

As for UConn, the ACC is by far the best semi-realistic option. The Big 12 would vastly prefer to pick off Pac Schools adjacent to its footprint. We are an absolute fit in the ACC as constituted right now. Great basketball, good baseball, formerly good soccer, decent football. There isn't a better landing spot, and no we don't really look like a Big 10 school. The enrollment and research emphasis just aren't there.

 

[Stinger92860]

There isn't a better landing spot, and no we don't really look like a Big 10 school. The enrollment and research emphasis just aren't there.

UConn Research Surges to Record Level

We are working on it, but a long way to go to get to B1G levels

“UConn puts a great deal of attention and work into the support and cultivation of its research, and we have many reasons to be optimistic based on our trajectory in recent years that this growth is a trend that will continue,” says Radenka Maric, UConn’s Vice President for Research, Innovation, and Entrepreneurship.