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Jordy said:
Since 1998, UConn has never had two straight classes of five recruits. There is a reason for that.
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I'm not sure they ever had 4 years of horrendous recruting in a row where only 1 in the top 100, 0 4 year players, 2, and then 2. There is need of a correction and another 5 recruit class would get us back on track.
 
DEpup said:
I'm not sure they ever had 4 years of horrendous recruting in a row where only 1 in the top 100, 0 4 year players, 2, and then 2. There is need of a correction and another 5 recruit class would get us back on track.
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Horrendous is a tad harsh. UCONN has also picked up some quality transfers in that span like Azura, Batouly and Evina. I'm all about the quality not quantity. UCONN has not had enough quality contributors to allow Geno to expand the rotation to say 7 players with a G/Wing and a reliable backup post player. No sense expanding the roster unless it is specifically to to fill the latter of those needs.
 
DEpup said:
I'm not sure they ever had 4 years of horrendous recruting in a row where only 1 in the top 100, 0 4 year players, 2, and then 2. There is need of a correction and another 5 recruit class would get us back on track.
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I wouldn't say UConn has had horrendous recruiting. Of the last 14 teams, every one of them has had at least one #1 recruit, nine of them had two or more #1 recruits, and one team had three (2018-19 with KLS, Megan, and CW). Going back to Stewie's freshman season eight years ago, only twice has a team had less than half of the nation's #1 recruits on it.
 
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Please don't distract by cherry picking a recruit here or a recruit there. I'm not disparaging the proverbial trees we got. They were and are great trees. What I am saying is the forest has been shrinking and we need to hit the nursery and plant some more quality trees!! I would like another 5 quality trees in '21 to build the forest.

I was also telling the flip side of the post that said we haven't done 2 5 recruit classes in a row by pointing out we haven't had 4 straight years like the past 4 either. Corrective action was required in '20 and there is still work to do on recruiting in '21 in my opinion. I want a NC and I don't care whether a teenage phenom gets the 38 minutes a game she thinks she deserves that forces a 10 or under roster...
 
hoopsfan22 said:
I wouldn't say UConn has had horrendous recruiting. Of the last 14 teams, every one of them has had at least one #1 recruit, nine of them had two or more #1 recruits, and one team had three (2018-19 with KLS, Megan, and CW). Going back to Stewie's freshman season eight years ago, only twice has a team had less than half of the nation's #1 recruits on it.
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If I remember correctly, you need 5 players to start the game and an additional group of quality players in the rotation to win a NC.
 
DEpup said:
Please don't distract by cherry picking a recruit here or a recruit there. I'm not disparaging the proverbial trees we got. They were and are great trees. What I am saying is the forest has been shrinking and we need to hit the nursery and plant some more quality trees!! I would like another 5 quality trees in '21 to build the forest.

I was also telling the flip side of the post that said we haven't done 2 5 recruit classes in a row by pointing out we haven't had 4 straight years like the past 4 either. Corrective action was required in '20 and there is still work to do on recruiting in '21 in my opinion. I want a NC and I don't care whether a teenage phenom gets the 38 minutes a game she thinks she deserves that forces a 10 or under roster...
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You referred to four years of “horrendous” recruiting. Sorry, that’s simply not true.
 
This team has no seniors. What was the last year we did not have a senior day?
 
DEpup said:
I think you might want to do a study on that because I would say its more like 12-14. UConn over the past 10 years has been way too small in roster and height. I want us to go back to 2000 and 2001 size rosters with height too.
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Programs like Louisville/Stanford usually max out their scholarships, but they're the exception, not the norm.

Look at the number of players who played in games for each of the top 10 programs this year:
South Carolina-11
Oregon-12
Baylor-11
Maryland-9
Louisville-13
UCONN-10
NC State-12
Mississippi State-12
Stanford-15
UCLA-12

Average is 11.7 per game, right in between 10-13. Only Louisville and Stanford had 13+, and Stanford has to fill all 15 scholarships while Walz has a unique style where he intentionally fills rosters every season.


And UCONN had ample size in the midst of this past decade. From 2012-15 he had two or all 3 of Dolson (6-5), Stewart (6-4 with crazy long arms) and Stokes (6-3 who played like 6-7). Not to mention 6-2 Morgan Tuck who could hold her own inside. But I agree, having quality bigs come off the bench can make a huge difference.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
This team has no seniors. What was the last year we did not have a senior day?
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We'll still have one--for the managers, et al. No players. I recall another one. Was it 2003? Or more recent?
 
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I have an issue with 2-arguments that some a floating. (1) the players that Uconn- and some other schools- recruit are smart players; so, you do not need to revamped your system. Good coaching in my view is about bringing players up to par as the season progresses. There have been, recently, seasons when the talent level was not uneven and it placed a great deal of burden on a few players. In these situations numbers do not help- not a lot. Molly and Irwin we good players for the team-- and I am sure future Uconn teams will have theirs, but they were not to be critical players to win a championship. If they had to contribute points, minutes, etc. (2) Every player regardless of how good they are would like to start and play a lot of minutes. The players who are very good and want to play at the next level are also about development of their game. As long as Uconn can show that they are developing a player's talent they will get players who are willing to share minutes with others. None of the players who have transferred from Uconn have gone on to teams where they are killing it in minutes and points. Some have done better than others, but I doubt that we failed to win because of their leaving. And I have always maintained that Stevens felt that she should graduate with her class (Nurse and Gabby), rather than being a 5-year. Westbrook is equally positioned. Take Evelyn for example, most people here saw her as a failed offered but, were she given a scholarship to be a starter? help with substantial minutes? I would maintain that she was offered out of a different set of mutual interests. One, to help Ono; second, because Uconn would teach her things that would help her game in Europe. These are some of the little things that Uconn is good at doing. No, Geno did not see her as the missing piece for a championship.

So, transfers are difficult to read and people should stop throwing them forward mindlessly. Some have worked out for all parties-- players got better coaching and helped the team (ND, SC, Baylor, and Uconn). Others: deShield and Co.? Recent ones? And some players may leave for academic reasons- reasons that are covered up. And it is hard to stay in a place where you are not happy and cannot see that changing for the better.
 
DEpup said:
If I remember correctly, you need 5 players to start the game and an additional group of quality players in the rotation to win a NC.
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At this point last year we were all commenting on if UConn had enough quality players to fill out a starting five as well as what subs could contribute. I would not use "horrendous" to describe recent recruiting efforts but "not up to UConn and Final Four standards" is not a stretch.
 
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HopJim said:
At this point last year we were all commenting on if UConn had enough quality players to fill out a starting five as well as what subs could contribute. I would not use "horrendous" to describe recent recruiting efforts but "not up to UConn and Final Four standards" is not a stretch.
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And yet we made the Final Four every year.
 
bballnut90 said:
Programs like Louisville/Stanford usually max out their scholarships, but they're the exception, not the norm.

Look at the number of players who played in games for each of the top 10 programs this year:
South Carolina-11
Oregon-12
Baylor-11
Maryland-9
Louisville-13
UCONN-10
NC State-12
Mississippi State-12
Stanford-15
UCLA-12

Average is 11.7 per game, right in between 10-13. Only Louisville and Stanford had 13+, and Stanford has to fill all 15 scholarships while Walz has a unique style where he intentionally fills rosters every season.


And UCONN had ample size in the midst of this past decade. From 2012-15 he had two or all 3 of Dolson (6-5), Stewart (6-4 with crazy long arms) and Stokes (6-3 who played like 6-7). Not to mention 6-2 Morgan Tuck who could hold her own inside. But I agree, having quality bigs come off the bench can make a huge difference.
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Goal posts moved. You went from roster size to # of players who played in games for the top 10 teams only. I mean clearly you are dug in on this but again you are very wrong and have been the entire time.
 
Deuce said:
Goal posts moved. You went from roster size to # of players who played in games for the top 10 teams only. I mean clearly you are dug in on this but again you are very wrong and have been the entire time.
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You havent provided 1 piece of evidence to back up your claim. Why dont you do some of the homework and actually come back with an informational post?
 
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Not happy with the balance of the team going forward. Too much talent at the Guard position (especially if Azzi signs) and a lack of proven depth & size in the post position. Hard to win a title without proper balance & depth. We learned that lesson the last 4 seasons.
 
BostonBay said:
Not happy with the balance of the team going forward. Too much talent at the Guard position (especially if Azzi signs) and a lack of proven depth & size in the post position. Hard to win a title without proper balance & depth. We learned that lesson the last 4 seasons.
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We? And here I thought Geno had a handle on recruiting. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: And it's 3 seasons.

This isn't Amazon where I would be able to order up pf's and have them listed by height and weight along with reviews.
So what's the "lesson"?
 
Alydar said:
We? And here I thought Geno had a handle on recruiting. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: And it's 3 seasons.
This isn't Amazon where I would be able to order up pf's and have them listed by height and weight along with reviews.
So what's the "lesson"?
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Geno is handling recruiting and can be and has been legitimately criticized for the results. It has been 4 seasons (2016-20) not three. In those 4 seasons although playing at an AA level (Gabby, Napheesa & Megan) either the starting UCONN PF or C or both has been 5'11" or 6'1" respectively. It has also been 3 seasons (since 2017) when Saniya Chong graduated that UCONN has has a three guards as part of the regular rotation.
This may not be Amazon and the recruiting near misses have been well documented but the results can be questioned as Jeff Jacobs and others have done.
www.ctpost.com

Jeff Jacobs: Do recruiting misses signal the beginning of the end for Geno Auriemma and UConn? Don’t count on it

HARTFORD — The day started on the West Coast in a gymnasium at Archbishop Mitty High...
www.ctpost.com www.ctpost.com
www.courant.com

UConn women’s recruiting whiffs raise question of whether other programs have caught up

On Wednesday morning, in a gymnasium across the country from Storrs, a high-school senior named Haley Jones dealt UConn basketball a painful blow. In reaching for a red Stanford hat instead of a wh…
www.courant.com www.courant.com

Geno himself has questioned the results.
“It’s more of a function of two recruiting classes we had sucked,” he said on why the team plays with six players."
www.theuconnblog.com

UConn women’s basketball: Injury updates on Dangerfield, Makurat; effects of recruiting misses and more

The Huskies replaced their point guard for one game against Dayton. Will they need to do it again on Thursday?
www.theuconnblog.com www.theuconnblog.com
The lesson is that you need more than 6 contributors to win a National Championship.

 
CocoHusky said:
The lesson is that you need more than 6 contributors to win a National Championship.

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It should be pointed out that 3 of the last 5 championship teams basically went 6 deep in the championship game: UConn - 2015, ND - 2018, Baylor - 2019. If you have the right 6 players, under the right coach, you can still win a championship.
 
For me. the near misses are less troubling than players who come in highly ranked but do not fit in skill or personality. The only recruit that we did not get that I really feel bad about is Boston and that is a combination of generational talent, her seeming desire to come to Storrs and how we envisioned a Paige / Boston tandem. But SC and Dawn was closer to her personality I guess.

But when AEH, Gordon and Coombs all had issues that no one foresaw (and Megan was slower to develop than most thought reasonable); that could have really hurt the UConn recruiting luster and I am sure many were worried that it might make future recruiting harder. But I think our 2020, 2021 and 2022 classes have shown that is not the case.
 
oldude said:
It should be pointed out that 3 of the last 5 championship teams basically went 6 deep in the championship game: UConn - 2015, ND - 2018, Baylor - 2019. If you have the right 6 players, under the right coach, you can still win a championship.
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The obvious should also be pointed out here. Clearly we have the right coach. Since none of those championship teams were UCONN, then clearly UCONN didn't have the right 6 players. Therefore UCONN should probably get more than 6 -just to be on the safe side.
 
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