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She did have trouble staying in front of her person a couple of times in the 4th, but knowing her, she'll work on that in the off- season and become a much better on-ball defender.
I'm obviously a big fan of Plum, but I think she's taken a step backward on D this year. She had become somewhat of a pesky defender maybe starting around year 3. But the whole team is just AWFUL on D this year, despite having some players who are supposed to be good defenders like Young, Hamby and Wilson. I think it's abundantly clear that Laimbeer put more emphasis on D than Hammon.
 
I'm obviously a big fan of Plum, but I think she's taken a step backward on D this year. She had become somewhat of a pesky defender maybe starting around year 3. But the whole team is just AWFUL on D this year, despite having some players who are supposed to be good defenders like Young, Hamby and Wilson. I think it's abundantly clear that Laimbeer put more emphasis on D than Hammon.
Yeah that’s been my observation as well. Three individuals known as upper-tier defenders in the league with another one coming off the bench in Stokes. But the intensity and cohesion just doesn’t seem to be there. Much was made about the improvement of the Aces due to their hot start but now they’ll finish with a worse record than last year.
 
Sky extends her lead in Ts with yet another in leading the Mercury to a loss at Connecticut. Post game comments by the T star are revealing.
 
Over the last 6 games (Dallas is 4-2 in those games), McCowan has averaged 19ppg and 10.5rpg while shooting 63% FG. If she/her team could ever find a way to be consistent, she would be one of the most dominant forces in the league.
 
Over the last 6 games (Dallas is 4-2 in those games), McCowan has averaged 19ppg and 10.5rpg while shooting 63% FG. If she/her team could ever find a way to be consistent, she would be one of the most dominant forces in the league.
I think she has been great but it seems she still has minute limitations (fitness?). What comes accross to me is that she does not show frustration if she thinks the refs blew calls.
 
Personally I don't think Arike and Marina shouldn't share the floor together except in very extreme circumstances that merit a offense intensity. Dallas runs better when only one of them is on the floor at at time. The backcourt can consist of Ty/Veronica as the PG, Arike/Marina as the SG and Allisha as the SF. I think any combination of that would lead to a more successful and dangerous Wings.
 
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I think she has been great but it seems she still has minute limitations (fitness?). What comes accross to me is that she does not show frustration if she thinks the refs blew calls.
I never really thought Big T would be a dominant player in the W and I believe her lack of conditioning has contributed to her inconsistent playing time. However, I do believe in the right envrionment she could become a contributor who is a difference maker. It appears she has improved greatly with the change of scenery in Dallas.
 
Personally I don't think Arike and Marina shouldn't share the floor together except in very extreme circumstances that merit a offense intensity. Dallas runs better when only one of them is on the floor at at time. The backcourt can consist of Ty/Veronica as the PG, Arike/Marina as the SG and Allisha as the SF. I think any combination of that would lead to a more successful and dangerous Wings.
I have generally been advocating this. I would also have no problem with Marina & Arike sharing the floor with one of the true point guards while Allisha is getting her short periods of rest on the bench.
 
I never really thought Big T would be a dominant player in the W and I believe her lack of conditioning has contributed to her inconsistent playing time. However, I do believe in the right envrionment she could become a contributor who is a difference maker. It appears she has improved greatly with the change of scenery in Dallas.So
i always thought her bigger issue was fouls? either way, her last four games she's played 31, 28, 35, and 27 min respectively. so it seems like she "can" play major minutes, even though for her career, she's only average 22mpg.
 
i always thought her bigger issue was fouls? either way, her last four games she's played 31, 28, 35, and 27 min respectively. so it seems like she "can" play major minutes, even though for her career, she's only average 22mpg.
You could be right, I just "assumed" (which we know what that does) that it was lack of conditioning that gets so many players when they make the jump. MSU as a team was constructed to play to McCowan's strengths and in the pros, few players get that luxury.
 
Rather than attribute the wins over Chicago & Las Vegas on the absence of one player (Arike), I'll flip the switch and say that it has more to do with taking advantage of multiple players. To wit:
I shoulda put a smiley on my comment. I agree with you that they've really benefitted from having a true point guard on the floor and figuring out how to get McCowan involved.
 
I think she has been great but it seems she still has minute limitations (fitness?). What comes accross to me is that she does not show frustration if she thinks the refs blew calls.
When she was at MSSt, McCowan was in good shape. She played 35+ minutes in big games. I saw some folks talking about her jogging up the court, but that was always on offense. Nobody plays for Vic lollygagging up the court on defense, and T never did. Whether it's the case now, I dunno, but she's played effectively for 30+ minutes in a few games recently.
 
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Aari Mcdonald blows by Samuelson and gets the 2 and the and one to prob clinch the game. Something about her facing huskies brings out the best in her.
 
Lou with a three with 3.2 s left to tie it up against Atlanta. The Sparks didn't bring Nelson-Ododa in for defense, and Cheyenne Parker put one in against Nneka with 0.3 s left. Nneka sank the last shot but didn't beat the buzzer.

Exciting end to the game.
 
I'll probably be wrong again, but it's looking like LA's playoff hopes are all but gone now.
 
Lou with a three with 3.2 s left to tie it up against Atlanta. The Sparks didn't bring Nelson-Ododa in for defense, and Cheyenne Parker put one in against Nneka with 0.3 s left. Nneka sank the last shot but didn't beat the buzzer.

Exciting end to the game.
Yes, Bigboote, it was a clutch shot by KLS... nice to see her coach had the confidence in her to take that shot.

I'll bet Nneka's kicking herself for letting Cheyene so easily beat her on the baseline.

I agree, nwhoopfan, the Sparks are in dire straits.
 
Copper has been coming on strong for Chicago. She started kinda slow, missed some games and then had to get reintegrated, all while the team was figuring out how to play w/ Meesseeman. She's back to looking pretty close to last year's playoffs version of Copper recently. That doesn't bode well for the rest of the league.
 
I've definitely noticed she's been in a prolonged slump. With almost no scoring from the bench, they can't really afford to have a starter not scoring.


Can we take a moment to ponder what the thought process was from the Aces constructing a bench with Colson, Sheppard and Bell? Those 3 have collectively done just about nothing all season. There absolutely had to be better players available, and still are. Syd Wiese has been out of the league for a couple years, she's 10X better than any of this trio. I'm sure there are many, many other players you could say that of. I think Karlie Samuelson had a cameo appearance w/ somebody early in the season, but I don't think she's been on a roster for a while. I'd also take her over any of these 3. Jefferson and Dangerfield were available at some point, again much better than these 3. You get the point. I don't understand why the Aces decided to stand pat with a bunch of obviously unproductive players.
On choosing the Aces bench. In the off-season, the Aces lost their entire coaching staff, their GM, and Becky was coaching in the NBA up until right before training camp started. The newly hired President was Nikki Fargas. From the looks of the draft picks, she’s the one who picked them. #7 Mya Hollingshed (Colorado) CUT, #11 Bell, #13 Khalsa Pointer (LSU) CUT, and #23 Aisha Sheppard, and then another LSU girl was the last pick. Surely they have to strengthen the bench for next year. That’s a pretty deep draft class too so maybe they will at least be able to help. Hopefully it will improve for next year.
 
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Evina in mop up time for the Mystics in 4th had an impressive showing. 10 pts in 8 minutes. 2-3 from 3, (3-4 in total). 2-3 FT and a steal. (+16 FWIW). Her best game in the WNBA I think


 
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Evina also looks slimmed down a bit

 
Copper has been coming on strong for Chicago. She started kinda slow, missed some games and then had to get reintegrated, all while the team was figuring out how to play w/ Meesseeman. She's back to looking pretty close to last year's playoffs version of Copper recently. That doesn't bode well for the rest of the league.
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Fine by me. I love watching her play.
 
On choosing the Aces bench. In the off-season, the Aces lost their entire coaching staff, their GM, and Becky was coaching in the NBA up until right before training camp started. The newly hired President was Nikki Fargas. From the looks of the draft picks, she’s the one who picked them. #7 Mya Hollingshed (Colorado) CUT, #11 Bell, #13 Khalsa Pointer (LSU) CUT, and #23 Aisha Sheppard, and then another LSU girl was the last pick. Surely they have to strengthen the bench for next year. That’s a pretty deep draft class too so maybe they will at least be able to help. Hopefully it will improve for next year.

I am almost positive the Aces traded away their picks for next year to move up in the draft this year.
 
I still can't believe they passed over Henderson three times. Her style of play is tailored made for the Aces. I truly thought they traded up for the #7 pick to get her. The only rookie I would take a chance on keeping is Bell, because I think she can be a potential prolific scorer. Outside of her and Rupert, as a GM I would be willing to get rid of the rest of bench and see who I can get from the off-season or draft.
 
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Fine by me. I love watching her play.

The stats bear this out.

Pre All Star game (17 games), Copper averaged 13.8ppg and 5.1rpg on 44.4% FG.
Post All star game (10 games), Copper is averaging 18.6ppg and 7.6rpg on 52.4% FG.

Her ppg and fg % have also improved each month of the season thus far (May/June/July/August).
 
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I am almost positive the Aces traded away their picks for next year to move up in the draft this year.
Yes they did and when I saw who they picked I couldn't believe it. Next year's draft is deep, deep so I think they'll be able to pick up some pieces anyway but whoever was in charge this year should have been fired....or maybe there was no one in charge.
 
Yes they did and when I saw who they picked I couldn't believe it. Next year's draft is deep, deep so I think they'll be able to pick up some pieces anyway but whoever was in charge this year should have been fired....or maybe there was no one in charge.
Yup, I couldn’t believe they did that given the increased comparative talent of the 2023 draft.
 
The stats bear this out.

Pre All Star game (17 games), Copper averaged 13.8ppg and 5.1rpg on 44.4% FG.
Post All star game (10 games), Copper is averaging 18.6ppg and 7.6rpg on 52.4% FG.

Her ppg and fg % have also improved each month of the season thus far (May/June/July/August).
Obviously, I am on the "Copper train" (represents my home town well) as well, as I have previously mentioned her season's progress multiple times on your other WNBA thread. This does make Chicago imposing, especially with their bench play of Stevens, Gardner, & Allemand. Nonetheless, I will still "buy low" on the Aces with their recent skid and say they will overcome their defensive regression, lack of bench, not having home court advantage nor momentum, and predict they will overcome this for the 1st title in LV.
 
Yes they did and when I saw who they picked I couldn't believe it. Next year's draft is deep, deep so I think they'll be able to pick up some pieces anyway but whoever was in charge this year should have been fired....or maybe there was no one in charge.
As you previously stated, Fargas was in charge. She did draft her niece (KP) and Aifuwa from her LSU team.

I still think that you can find diamonds in the rough, even from previous years. Look at Gardner, who had been productive overseas for years and Caldwell, who after I saw her 1st game vs. Dallas realized it was clear that she is better than at least a dozen of the current bench players around the league. She was released after her 1st 7-day hardship and available. Maybe the owners, presidents, GMs dismissed them because of their collegiate ppg? As nwhoopfan correctly stated, there are plenty of former WNBA players that would be a huge upgrade for the Aces bench (& parts of other team's as well), but maybe the contracts would be a little too large within the parameters of the CBA (as previously stated by TheFarmFan).
 
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On choosing the Aces bench. In the off-season, the Aces lost their entire coaching staff, their GM, and Becky was coaching in the NBA up until right before training camp started. The newly hired President was Nikki Fargas. From the looks of the draft picks, she’s the one who picked them. #7 Mya Hollingshed (Colorado) CUT, #11 Bell, #13 Khalsa Pointer (LSU) CUT, and #23 Aisha Sheppard, and then another LSU girl was the last pick. Surely they have to strengthen the bench for next year. That’s a pretty deep draft class too so maybe they will at least be able to help. Hopefully it will improve for next year.
Criticizing the Hollingshed pick at #8 is definitely not a case of hindsight is 20/20. No major publication's mock draft had her in the 1st round and I just found one that projected her #27 (many did not go beyond round 1). Unbelievable.

Also, Phoenix just got outrebounded by 25 vs. Connecticut. I realize that the Sun's frontline is relentless on the boards, but instead of starting 4 guards (I know Peddy gives it her all to rebound from that position, but against Jones x2 -- seriously?), why not take a chance on someone who was 7-7 in the same game Shakira was 3-16, outscored both Lyss & Queen the next game, and had the same number of points as Naz in the S16? These were all NCAA touney games, all 4s & 5s, and that's 60% of the all-rookie team plus a current starter.
 
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