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We simply can't play Jackson at the 3 in a lineup with a traditional 4.

That would be like the awful Roscoe Smith/Oriakhi/Drummond lineups that were ridiculously easy to defend.

If Jackson is going to play the 3, it has to be with someone like Polley, or maybe Martin or Akok at the 4. Only with Whaley if Whaley made himself a credible outside shooter.
I definitely agree if Jackson can’t make the jump. My hope is that the work he’s putting in can pay off. He has all the tools to be an all conference player this year and it seems like Hurley is trusting him to do so. He doesn’t need to be a knockdown shooter, just be a consistent scorer and we’ll be good. He made so many almost “wow” plays last year that if he can put it together to make easy plays his game can take off from there.
 
We simply can't play Jackson at the 3 in a lineup with a traditional 4.

That would be like the awful Roscoe Smith/Oriakhi/Drummond lineups that were ridiculously easy to defend.

If Jackson is going to play the 3, it has to be with someone like Polley, or maybe Martin or Akok at the 4. Only with Whaley if Whaley made himself a credible outside shooter.
This. We have a ton of talent, but I’m not sure how well all the pieces fit.
 
I agree. I can't see Seton Hall finishing any lower than fourth.

My tiers:

#1: Nova
#2-#5: Xavier, UConn, Seton Hall, Georgetown
#6-#8: Marquette, Creighton, Butler
#9-#10: Providence, St. John's
#11: DePaul

Yes, Butler has a lot of players returning, but this was a 10-15 team last year. I believe in Chuck Harris but with his awful outside shooting, I see Aaron Thompson as a net negative player and personally, if I were a Butler fan, I'd be happier if he didn't return for a fifth year to allow a starting five of Tate, Harris, Bolden, Nze and Golden.

I predict teams #1-#5 make the tournament.
Georgetown?
 
Please God no don’t try to force Andre to play the point. Just let him be a playmaking forward. He’s too talented not to become a great scorer who can pass instead of the opposite. We don’t need to do Giannas experiments.
I’m just basing that comment off of what hurley had said. He said he will be an nba point guard. I’m assuming that means he will give him a point guard duties here, wouldn’t you think?
 
I don’t think we know who starts game 1. I don’t think the same lineup starts consistently in the fall. Cole and Sanogo are the two locks. Aside from that, Gaffney, Jackson, Martin, Whaley and Akok all have a chance to join them. Maybe Hawkins. I can see Whaley not starting if Akok comes back strong and is shooting well. Whaley would still get minutes as the backup 5 and 4.
I can’t see him not starting Whaley, if he didn’t start it would give coach options for a lot of versatility. We will see
 
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Are you asking do I think they make the tournament?

If so, yeah, that might be a stretch :).

However, I like Dante Harris, excited for Aminu Mohammed and think Tre King and Kaiden Rice are a heck of a transfer haul.

Good points. Lots of uncertainty still surrounding many of these rosters, but at this point I'd swap Georgetown and Butler. I'm putting a premium on stable rosters with upperclassmen.

The Big East really needs to get five (5) teams in the tournament--like it used to.

Tourney qualifiers:
Nova, UConn, Xavier, Seton Hall, Butler.

NIT possibly: St. John's, Georgetown, Providence/Marquette
 
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I don’t think we know who starts game 1. I don’t think the same lineup starts consistently in the fall. Cole and Sanogo are the two locks. Aside from that, Gaffney, Jackson, Martin, Whaley and Akok all have a chance to join them. Maybe Hawkins. I can see Whaley not starting if Akok comes back strong and is shooting well. Whaley would still get minutes as the backup 5 and 4.
Considering the jump the jumping bean (and DPOY) has made in improving his jumper every year, I think Isaiah Whaley is in for a rather large season.
 
We simply can't play Jackson at the 3 in a lineup with a traditional 4.

That would be like the awful Roscoe Smith/Oriakhi/Drummond lineups that were ridiculously easy to defend.

If Jackson is going to play the 3, it has to be with someone like Polley, or maybe Martin or Akok at the 4. Only with Whaley if Whaley made himself a credible outside shooter.

This is one of the reasons I think Akok can seize the starting 4 spot. I do think Jackson will improve his outside shooting, so it’s way too soon to assume he will be what he was last year. I love what Whaley brings us, but he’s limited.
 
I’m just basing that comment off of what hurley had said. He said he will be an nba point guard. I’m assuming that means he will give him a point guard duties here, wouldn’t you think?
Did he? I hope it doesn’t tbh. We have enough PGs as is. Don’t know many guys who made that successful transition either. He’s a project PG but he can be a top 5 pick if he can just put the ball in the basket as a swing man. He’ll need to make a Kemba kind of leap but with his work ethic I’m hoping it’s possible. I would like him to be the offense with his talent.
 
If Gaff hasn’t improved his consistency and his defense I’m not sure how so many see he and Cole starting out. I actually found it somewhat painful when they played too much together especially when Bouk was injured. I did see 3-4 games from Gaff that makes me believe he’s got s shot let’s hope he finds those more consistently. Cole was the better of the 2 on both ends and expect him to be almost penciled in but hoping others and Gaff improve and mature.
 
If Gaff hasn’t improved his consistency and his defense I’m not sure how so many see he and Cole starting out. I actually found it somewhat painful when they played too much together especially when Bouk was injured. I did see 3-4 games from Gaff that makes me believe he’s got s shot let’s hope he finds those more consistently. Cole was the better of the 2 on both ends and expect him to be almost penciled in but hoping others and Gaff improve and mature.
Gaff more than any other player on this roster has the highest level of volatility in his potential role.

When all is said and done, he can end up anywhere between being the starting 2 guard to being lost out of the rotation completely.

The opportunity is there. It’s his if he earns it.
 
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If Gaff hasn’t improved his consistency and his defense I’m not sure how so many see he and Cole starting out. I actually found it somewhat painful when they played too much together especially when Bouk was injured. I did see 3-4 games from Gaff that makes me believe he’s got s shot let’s hope he finds those more consistently. Cole was the better of the 2 on both ends and expect him to be almost penciled in but hoping others and Gaff improve and mature.
Gaff should be in the gym with AJ putting up as many shots.. He brings value to the table with a reliable outside shot.. His D won't keep him on the floor if it's the same version as last year.
 
Cole is our surefire 3 point shot maker. Gaffney can make them we’ve seen. A bigger question is can we stop other teams from making them?
 
Cole is our surefire 3 point shot maker. Gaffney can make them we’ve seen. A bigger question is can we stop other teams from making them?

I'm not as worried about stopping them from making the 3 more so getting taken off the dribble. Good news is a healthy Akok would allow some less than stellar man defense (add Whaley, Sanogo and maybe Johnson) but these guys need to be better denying the first step, especially Gaff.
 
Cole is our surefire 3 point shot maker. Gaffney can make them we’ve seen. A bigger question is can we stop other teams from making them?

3pt% defense rank from Torvik...

2021: #90
2020: #163
2019: #117

at URI
2018: #67
2017: #5
2016: #96
2015: #2
2014: #2
2013: #191

Something this doesn't account for is volume of 3 pt shots taken. I'm not sure if anywhere has % and # taken adjusted anywhere? @UConnStats ??

Defending the 3 and erasing 2 pt shots at the rim are obviously the most important aspects of defense

But it's interesting that Hurley's teams were WAY better at defending the 3 at URI. I would imagine that has a little bit to do with the level of competition (and the fact that the NBE has some ridiculously good 3 point shooting teams), but this is also what Hurley keeps talking about... our team is still developing a culture and learning how to play his kind of defense.

From what I've seen... just an eye test... Hurley isn't going to be the kind of coach that totally sells out on stopping the 3 wholly, at least at UConn. Not in the way he obviously was at URI. We're not chasing everyone under the sun off the line. It seems like the guys are supposed to have a lot of film work done pre-game so they can prioritize shooters. It takes a pretty high BBIQ to be able to play our defense IMO. Guys need to know their matchups and switches, and especially the 3/4 is tasked with being really aggressive in the help when we're blitzing screens on the top. Not easy to pull off.

It makes sense... having a super aggressive defense was a way for URI to mix it up vs better teams outside of the A10. We have the talent to balance our defense a bit more.
 
Conference is not particularly good, is it? I mean if Villanova didn't have its fifth year seniors returning there'd be no top 15 teams. Yikes
 
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Conference is not particularly good, is it? I mean if Villanova didn't have its fifth year seniors returning there'd be no top 15 teams. Yikes
Conference has really good recruiting coming in this year, but the 2 previous years were kinda mediocre.
 
Conference has really good recruiting coming in this year, but the 2 previous years were kinda mediocre.

Yeah, I was just looking the other day. Barring an exodus of transferss, I think 2023 might be the year that the NBE could have 5+ teams playing in March.
 
This is one of the reasons I think Akok can seize the starting 4 spot. I do think Jackson will improve his outside shooting, so it’s way too soon to assume he will be what he was last year. I love what Whaley brings us, but he’s limited.
Quite frankly(TM), I'm not convinced that Whaley can't be that guy. He had a nice-looking stroke on some outside shots last year But we need to see it, and he needs to be enough of a threat to draw the defense.

The bottom line is, if Jackson isn't at least a 30% 3-point shooter on decent volume, then whoever is alongside him at the 4 has to be, whether that's Akok, Martin, Whaley, or Polley.
 
3pt% defense rank from Torvik...

2021: #90
2020: #163
2019: #117

at URI
2018: #67
2017: #5
2016: #96
2015: #2
2014: #2
2013: #191

Something this doesn't account for is volume of 3 pt shots taken. I'm not sure if anywhere has % and # taken adjusted anywhere? @UConnStats ??

Defending the 3 and erasing 2 pt shots at the rim are obviously the most important aspects of defense

But it's interesting that Hurley's teams were WAY better at defending the 3 at URI. I would imagine that has a little bit to do with the level of competition (and the fact that the NBE has some ridiculously good 3 point shooting teams), but this is also what Hurley keeps talking about... our team is still developing a culture and learning how to play his kind of defense.

From what I've seen... just an eye test... Hurley isn't going to be the kind of coach that totally sells out on stopping the 3 wholly, at least at UConn. Not in the way he obviously was at URI. We're not chasing everyone under the sun off the line. It seems like the guys are supposed to have a lot of film work done pre-game so they can prioritize shooters. It takes a pretty high BBQ to be able to play our defense IMO. Guys need to know their matchups and switches, and especially the 3/4 is tasked with being really aggressive in the help when we're blitzing screens on the top. Not easy to pull off.

It makes sense... having a super aggressive defense was a way for URI to mix it up vs better teams outside of the A10. We have the talent to balance our defense a bit more.
Don’t know of a site that has a weighted metric like that that, but as you alluded to, a big part of our success defending the 3 is limiting attempts (27th, 11th, and 52nd this year). I do think having such undersized/non-physical backcourts has limited his UConn teams. We’ve had mostly tiny PGs or finesse/thin guards here. I know Fatts was tiny too, but he’s a special defender for his size.
 
Quite frankly(TM), I'm not convinced that Whaley can't be that guy. He had a nice-looking stroke on some outside shots last year But we need to see it, and he needs to be enough of a threat to draw the defense.

The bottom line is, if Jackson isn't at least a 30% 3-point shooter on decent volume, then whoever is alongside him at the 4 has to be, whether that's Akok, Martin, Whaley, or Polley.

Agreed. I don't agree with @husky429 on having real quality shooters so many spots. You just have to be good enough that they need to come guard you. I think Jackson can get there. I think Whaley can get there. I'm confident Akok is better than that 30% now. Martin is for sure. I'm not worried about it really. I am very opposed to Polley at the 4, he's been terrible at it whenever he's done it. Whatever deficiencies he has as a rebounder and defender at the 3, are much worse as a 4.

As for Akok vs Whaley, I simply think Akok is the better player, or should be. Faster, longer, better shot blocker, better able to defend bigger guys in the post, better shooter and ball handler. But we need both of them making major contributions. Having Akok at the 4 is especially helpful when Whaley is a 5 because he vacates the paint so frequently.

In short, it is a good problem to have.
 
Yeah, I was just looking the other day. Barring an exodus of transferss, I think 2023 might be the year that the NBE could have 5+ teams playing in March.
wut??

5 is the general minimum in a bad year. Last year was the worst year of the conference since the reformation which followed the best year of the post-reformation where 8 teams were in the discussion of making the tournament until the very end of the season. Literally every team in the conference received AP votes during the 19-20 season and 7 teams were likely going to the tourney (just like 2 years prior).


My prediction this year:

Nova, UConn, Xavier, Hall will all make the tournament.

Prov, MU, Butler, Georgetown all have a shot as well, but more likely only 1 of 4 will make it.


I say with confidence though, that 5-6 teams will make it this year, even though the conference is still in a slump since the 19-20 season.
 
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3 teams make it. Unless there is another Georgetown style run but I don’t see that. This league is a mile wide and an inch deep. Villanova at the top and 5 guys named Moe after that. None of them are that good. I think we are probably the best so I like our chances to make the tourney but we lack the talent to go very far which makes us a very typical New Big East team. Good little teams, can give anybody a run on any given night but not talented enough to do it more than once.
 
Conference is not particularly good, is it? I mean if Villanova didn't have its fifth year seniors returning there'd be no top 15 teams. Yikes
Duh! It is Villanova and 10 interchangeable parts.
 
This is only slightly less wrong than having them 10th.
hall is a tourney team so their floor is 4 or 5. have you even looked at their roster? cale, aiken, rhoden, and obiagu are all back. richmond, yetna, and harris transferred in, plus a top 80 recruit in weston. that's a quality top 8 with a lot of experience.
 
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Agreed. I don't agree with @husky429 on having real quality shooters so many spots. You just have to be good enough that they need to come guard you. I think Jackson can get there. I think Whaley can get there. I'm confident Akok is better than that 30% now. Martin is for sure. I'm not worried about it really. I am very opposed to Polley at the 4, he's been terrible at it whenever he's done it. Whatever deficiencies he has as a rebounder and defender at the 3, are much worse as a 4.

As for Akok vs Whaley, I simply think Akok is the better player, or should be. Faster, longer, better shot blocker, better able to defend bigger guys in the post, better shooter and ball handler. But we need both of them making major contributions. Having Akok at the 4 is especially helpful when Whaley is a 5 because he vacates the paint so frequently.

In short, it is a good problem to have.
I agree, it's a good problem to have. But I'll disagree politely on Whaley vs. Akok. Maybe Akok should be better, but as it stands that's not the case. Whaley is a great defender both on the perimeter and in the paint. He is a little shorter, but has long arms and great timing. Akok is also very good in the paint, but we'll have to see how he hedges and disrupts on the perimeter, which Whaley does exceptionally well. Whaley also makes his shots inside, has good strong hands grabbing rebounds on both ends, and can hit out to the 3 point line - so much so that the coaches wanted him shooting those more. If you're right, then we're blessed with two very dangerous players that can play 4 or 5 depending on matchups.
 
I agree, it's a good problem to have. But I'll disagree politely on Whaley vs. Akok. Maybe Akok should be better, but as it stands that's not the case. Whaley is a great defender both on the perimeter and in the paint. He is a little shorter, but has long arms and great timing. Akok is also very good in the paint, but we'll have to see how he hedges and disrupts on the perimeter, which Whaley does exceptionally well. Whaley also makes his shots inside, has good strong hands grabbing rebounds on both ends, and can hit out to the 3 point line - so much so that the coaches wanted him shooting those more. If you're right, then we're blessed with two very dangerous players that can play 4 or 5 depending on matchups.
Doctor H.. Speaking of AA.. Are you encouraged by some of Dan Hurley's recent comments about his apparent readiness? Or is it about the timeline you expected with his injury?

Not trying to derail thread but your medical insight is always educational.

He can be a major contributor this season if approaching his pre-injury mobility on both O and D.
 
Doctor H.. Speaking of AA.. Are you encouraged by some of Dan Hurley's recent comments about his apparent readiness? Or is it about the timeline you expected with his injury?

Not trying to derail thread but your medical insight is always educational.

He can be a major contributor this season if approaching his pre-injury mobility on both O and D.
Thanks. He’s got a very good chance of being back to his bouncy self, if they’ve got his legs built back up. It will have been 18 months since the injury by fall. There’s a lot of atrophied muscle to rebuild, but that should be enough time to get that back and train the quick-twitch necessary.

What is harder is not playing in games for 18 months. That will take more time, the game will seem too fast for him at first. I’d expect after the first 10 games he’ll be where we would all like him.
 
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