Arike Ogunbowale



Arike Ogunbowale wins rookie of the year

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 36.2%
  • No

    Votes: 44 63.8%

  • Total voters
    69
Joined
Nov 15, 2014
Messages
838
Likes
1,018
Back to the original topic, I’d say no, especially with Collier making the all-star team.
 

TheFarmFan

Stanford Fan, Huskies Admirer
Joined
Nov 28, 2018
Messages
557
Likes
1,811
I feel like people fall on their butts harder any time a charge is taken.

But to the larger point - they are both hotheads with a history of occasionally going over the line in terms of physicality. But for the post above to assert that Arike is but Taurasi isn't? That's just counterfactual.
Haha, looks like I stand corrected. It seems I've seen many more of Arike's "highlights" than DT's.
 
Joined
Feb 22, 2016
Messages
11,097
Likes
15,812
I feel like people fall on their butts harder any time a charge is taken.

But to the larger point - they are both hotheads with a history of occasionally going over the line in terms of physicality. But for the post above to assert that Arike is but Taurasi isn't? That's just counterfactual.
The larger point is that Arike had a coach in college who enabled and excused her in this type of despicable low-class behavior while Taurasi had a coach who harshly disciplined her for merely clapping in an opponent’s face.

To even suggest that Arike has earned the right to be considered on the same plane as one of the greatest players ever is countersensical.
 

Orangutan

South Bend Simian
Joined
Apr 17, 2014
Messages
5,414
Likes
12,041
The larger point is that Arike had a coach in college who enabled and excused her in this type of despicable low-class behavior while Taurasi had a coach who harshly disciplined her for merely clapping in an opponent’s face.

To even suggest that Arike has earned the right to be considered on the same plane as one of the greatest players ever is countersensical.
No that's the point you want to insert into a completely different discussion.

And I didn't make the comparison between the two players in the first place.
 
Joined
Nov 4, 2018
Messages
535
Likes
1,487
No that's the point you want to insert into a completely different discussion.

And I didn't make the comparison between the two players in the first place.
You didn't make the initial comparison, but you sure as heck ran with it.
 
Joined
Jan 9, 2017
Messages
265
Likes
202
AO scores 21 with 5 dimes as Wings win 3rd straight (tied for second longest current winning streak).

AO was again high volume, low efficiency in contrast to Pheesa's low volume high efficiency effort in the Lynx loss to the Mystics last night.
 
Joined
Oct 17, 2018
Messages
386
Likes
746
Arike will probably win ROY because she’s had a couple of really efficient games sandwiched between her volume games. Napheesa suffers from being a hard working, less flashy style of play when it comes to individual awards. Her name is well known, but she doesn’t play the same kind of basketball as Arike. Collier simply plays to help her team while Arike seems to play to win it all herself at times (hence the volume shooting).
 
Joined
Jan 9, 2017
Messages
265
Likes
202
AO has another strong game and continues her superlative -July-. Correction August in the Wings loss to the Lynx.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Jan 30, 2017
Messages
1,445
Likes
2,623
AO has another strong game and continues her superlative July in the Wings loss to the Lynx.
My opinion here, Wings played the Lynx, considering the ROY top 2 candidates went head to head it would have been nice to give a shout out to Collier for her play in this 86 to 70 Lynx win.

Arike had 22 pts on 6-14 FG (43%) in 37 minutes of play, 1-4 3PT (25%), 9-10 FT (90%), 1 RB, 3 AST, 2 STL, 4 TO, +/- -19.

Collier on the other hand 19 pts on 6-11 FG (54.5%) in 35 minutes, 0-1 3PT (0%), 7-7 FT (100%), 5 REB, 1 AST, 4 STL, 1 BLK, 0 TO, , +/- +13.

When comparing both ROY stats for this game, I tell you if Arike had another strong game...I got go with Collier had a better game.
 
Joined
May 16, 2013
Messages
1,027
Likes
1,121
My opinion here, Wings played the Lynx, considering the ROY top 2 candidates went head to head it would have been nice to give a shout out to Collier for her play in this 86 to 70 Lynx win.

Arike had 22 pts on 6-14 FG (43%) in 37 minutes of play, 1-4 3PT (25%), 9-10 FT (90%), 1 RB, 3 AST, 2 STL, 4 TO, +/- -19.

Collier on the other hand 19 pts on 6-11 FG (54.5%) in 35 minutes, 0-1 3PT (0%), 7-7 FT (100%), 5 REB, 1 AST, 4 STL, 1 BLK, 0 TO, , +/- +13.

When comparing both ROY stats for this game, I tell you if Arike had another strong game...I got go with Collier had a better game.
Since they play different positions it’s a little hard to compare them at times.
 
Joined
Jan 9, 2017
Messages
265
Likes
202
Since they play different positions it’s a little hard to compare them at times.
This is the real essence of the challenge of postseason player awards whether it's an MVP or rookie of the year or defensive player of the year.

In the case of rookie of the year I guess it's important that we all realize that's a subjective judgment as to who is the best. And statistics are not always the complete evidence for which player is the best. I'm thinking about the discussion of Pheesa's outstanding defense. Often that defense even with advanced metrics is difficult to quantify. Also the relative strengths of the teams the rookies are assigned to can also be a challenge to incorporate into the analysis. At this point of the top three rookies I still would guess the distance between the top two is very narrow.
 
Joined
Jan 9, 2017
Messages
265
Likes
202

Dallas media sees AO leading ROY

Winning the rookie of the month award for August could have a big impact on the rookie of the year race between Wings guard Arike Ogunbowale and Minnesota forward Napheesa Collier. Each has won one rookie of the month award thus far. Including the Wings' Sunday matinee against the Dream, they have three games left in the month. Ogunbowale is averaging 22.5 points on 45% shooting for the month. But with Collier on her heels, Ogunbowale needs to finish the month strong to secure the rookie of the month award and have a good shot at rookie of the year.

At this point it's clear that neither rookie will be a unanimous selection as ROY.
 
Joined
Jan 9, 2017
Messages
265
Likes
202
AO scores 7 straight Midway through the fourth quarter to pull the hapless Wing to within 4 of the league worst Dream.
 
Joined
Nov 28, 2016
Messages
8,271
Likes
14,063
AO scores 7 straight Midway through the fourth quarter to pull the hapless Wing to within 4 of the league worst Dream.
She is having a very strong game taking over the 4th quarter after entering down 14 pts. Props.
 
Joined
Jan 9, 2017
Messages
265
Likes
202
She is having a very strong game taking over the 4th quarter after entering down 14 pts. Props.
AO has another excellent game but her performance can't overcome critical late technical foul and final second turnover by Anigwe.
 
Joined
Nov 28, 2016
Messages
8,271
Likes
14,063
AO has another excellent game but her performance can't overcome critical late technical foul and final second turnover by Anigwe.
And AO had some errors in the last 2 minutes as well. Missing a few shots, a key FT (after getting a gift foul off a clean block by E. Williams) but she is a lot better than early in the season.
 
Joined
Jan 9, 2017
Messages
265
Likes
202
In another thread a BYer speculated that I'm an AO fan. Actually I tend to be fan of teams rather than individual players and my favorite teams are the ASU Sun Devils the UConn Huskies and Phoenix Mercury. If I had to pick players that I'm a fan of it would include DT, Stewie, Gabby, Kia, Robbie Ryan, and Jamie Ruden. Like most of us on the boneyard I found AOs cheap shot on Crystal very upsetting and a reflection on both her character and the coaching that she receives. With all that said I feel good about observing that she is one of the top three rookies this year in a rookie class that seems to my memory unparalleled in recent WNBA history. So recognizing her achievements in the context of a discussion of rookie of the year I don't think makes me a fan of hers. There have been any number of sports figures who I have admired for their performance but not for their character or the depth of their commitment to their team.
 
Joined
Nov 28, 2016
Messages
8,271
Likes
14,063
In another thread a BYer speculated that I'm an AO fan. Actually I tend to be fan of teams rather than individual players and my favorite teams are the ASU Sun Devils the UConn Huskies and Phoenix Mercury. If I had to pick players that I'm a fan of it would include DT, Stewie, Gabby, Kia, Robbie Ryan, and Jamie Ruden. Like most of us on the boneyard I found AOs cheap shot on Crystal very upsetting and a reflection on both her character and the coaching that she receives. With all that said I feel good about observing that she is one of the top three rookies this year in a rookie class that seems to my memory unparalleled in recent WNBA history. So recognizing her achievements in the context of a discussion of rookie of the year I don't think makes me a fan of hers. There have been any number of sports figures who I have admired for their performance but not for their character or the depth of their commitment to their team.
I guess for me, the issues are not 'character issues' but style issues

I would put the rookies into the following classes

Arike - Hero Baller.
Tiera - Brute Force Baller
Naphessa - Complete / Artistic Baller

I would love to see Naphessa win because her style of ball is why I love WBB and I would like to see that acknowledged The other 2 rookies are excellent in their styles but those styles are not ideal for me.

I understand the other 2 are going to get better and diversify their games but
Naphessa is the holy grail in terms of style of play (oh and character.:) )
 
Joined
Feb 20, 2019
Messages
478
Likes
610
Players like Arike are like "the little girl with the curl" When they are good they are very very good. But when they are not they are awful. Sort of reminds me of Shoni Schimmel. They certainly can win you games, more often than not they will also brick you out of wins as well. Basically, they lack a conscience or the judgment to recognize when their shots are not dropping but instead just keep right on shooting. I mean if you are 2 for 20 it should occur to you that perhaps it might be better if someone else takes the shot.
The ones you write about: Since age 2 their teams always had an "I" in it. Collier knew how to spell and play TEAM ball. Damn shame, it this case the good guy (girl) won't finish first. Hood basket ball learned on the playgrounds (first in NY) teachese ME first everyone else last. Missouri apparently see it differently.
 
Joined
Jan 30, 2017
Messages
1,445
Likes
2,623
I guess for me, the issues are not 'character issues' but style issues

I would put the rookies into the following classes

Arike - Hero Baller.
Tiera - Brute Force Baller
Naphessa - Complete / Artistic Baller

I would love to see Naphessa win because her style of ball is why I love WBB and I would like to see that acknowledged The other 2 rookies are excellent in their styles but those styles are not ideal for me.

I understand the other 2 are going to get better and diversify their games but
Naphessa is the holy grail in terms of style of play (oh and character.:) )
Totally agree. I keep going back to these stats for Arike and Napheesa (IMO ROY is between these two players).

Arike, in 28 games averages 15.6 FGA, total for the 28 games; 437 with a FG% of 37.4%.

Napheesa in 30 games averages 10 FGA, total for 30 games: 300 with a FG% of 48.3%.

Let me add, if Arike was anywhere close to the FG% of Napheesa, then I would say Arike wins ROY hands down. To maintain that 17.1 pts/gm (Napheesa no slouch at 12.7 pts/gm) she needs to volume shoot to compensate for that 37.4% FG%.
 
Joined
Sep 6, 2011
Messages
1,149
Likes
1,054
Totally agree. I keep going back to these stats for Arike and Napheesa (IMO ROY is between these two players).

Arike, in 28 games averages 15.6 FGA, total for the 28 games; 437 with a FG% of 37.4%.

Napheesa in 30 games averages 10 FGA, total for 30 games: 300 with a FG% of 48.3%.

Let me add, if Arike was anywhere close to the FG% of Napheesa, then I would say Arike wins ROY hands down. To maintain that 17.1 pts/gm (Napheesa no slouch at 12.7 pts/gm) she needs to volume shoot to compensate for that 37.4% FG%.
My point earlier about AO and her attempts per game 15.6 is to many , when the most by the best player anywhere last year. Stewie has never averaged more then 15.
 
Top