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Fishy said:
People get very, very mad when you suggest that maybe giving up huge runs every game might be a problem.

Just because even mid-majors have no problem running off 24-5 runs against us doesn't mean that the coaching staff isn't top notch in every facet of their preparation.

Even though Cincinnati is all but certain to pound us into a stupid for minutes at a time without the coaching staff twitching a muscle is in no way an indication that they aren't in complete control of their team.

No, sir. Those runs are not a problem at all.
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Fishy, we aren't supposed to talk about any coaching deficiencies we see game after game and year after year.
 
UConn990411 said:
I'm not calling for Ollie to be fired, so maybe try reading the contents of my post.

My point is specifically about these extended runs UConn gives up against pretty much every team - good and bad alike. They've been a huge problem with different rosters now, so this might be one thing we can lay at the feet of the coaching staff.
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What made you think I was referring to you?
 
Chin Diesel said:
I would just be happy if KO would learn to recognize the opponent's runs and call TO's to quell them.
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I'd be happier if the assistant coaches recognized something and spoke up. I've never three bumps on a log pretending to be coaches.
 
Fishy said:
Exactly - that would be wrong.

Just because something keeps happening does not mean it will keep happening.
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Wait are you trying to tell me that if something happens about 70/90 times in a given three year span that it's likely to happen again?
 
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willie99 said:
and we closed at 4, ECU is so bad the line still went up
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My friend has been betting against us every single game this year and is up a TON. We have been getting generous lines because of our past success, but we are far worse than what the handicappers give us on a game by game basis. I think we're something like 9 - 15 against the spread this year.
 
JMick said:
It's like people forget we're supposed to be an elite program. Our bench should be able to run ECU out of the gym.
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I guess that puts it into a little more perspective. Right now our bench consists of 2 bigs and a bunch of walkons unfortunately.
 
Our bench should be able to pound ECU? Ok. Have you watched our bench or lack there of? Just because guys have a recruiting ranking and wear a Uconn jersey, it doesn't give them magical powers to beat even a crappy but fully stocked team. The whole "but we are Uconn" argument is not grounded in reality. We are a lousy team and it is not our birthright to beat even crappy teams because of what happened in the past.
 
yukonyc212 said:
My friend has been betting against us every single game this year and is up a TON. We have been getting generous lines because of our past success, but we are far worse than what the handicappers give us on a game by game basis. I think we're something like 9 - 15 against the spread this year.
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Even the bookies are playing bad UConn basketball. Is it Millers confusing D's that have them messed up? Or the suits that KO wears?
 
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Robertelamin said:
I guess that puts it into a little more perspective. Right now our bench consists of 2 bigs and a bunch of walkons unfortunately.
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Which in and of itself is an issue. Obviously you can't predict injuries but you should be able to fill a roster with scholarship players. If Noyes' scholarship went to a grad transfer or top 200 kid maybe we wouldn't be as bad off as we are.
 
Towney007 said:
This program is getting generous everything because of it's past successes.

And it's got a fan base that's happy to live back there, too.
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Do you have any fans in mind? I haven't seen one fan that wants this team to do anything but win.
Some fans complain more about losses than others. Some fans look at situations differently than others. No one is settling.
 
Letsgohuskies11 said:
continuing to be in this conference and not winning games will slowly erode the fan base and limit whatever exposure we even get on nationally televised games.
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You have a point. Hopefully that doesn't happen. Team is experiencing some serious bad luck. Could you imagine if we were in another conference? This team fits this conference..........for now.
 
UCfor3 said:
Our bench should be able to pound ECU? Ok. Have you watched our bench or lack there of? Just because guys have a recruiting ranking and wear a Uconn jersey, it doesn't give them magical powers to beat even a crappy but fully stocked team. The whole "but we are Uconn" argument is not grounded in reality. We are a lousy team and it is not our birthright to beat even crappy teams because of what happened in the past.
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It's the coaches job to build the roster. No, you cannot plan for injuries, but you can fill a roster with scholarship players and players that can win against a team with an RPI of 227.

The "we are UConn" argument is that we should be an elite level program, but if you have a few guys injured, you should still be pretty good. You don't think other top programs have that expectation?

None of this is in a vacuum, either. It's not the first bad season we've had under Ollie.
 
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Hankster said:
You have a point. Hopefully that doesn't happen. Team is experiencing some serious bad luck. Could you imagine if we were in another conference? This team fits this conference.....for now.
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who knows, Uconn has had a habit of playing down or up to its competition for years
 
So if someone doesn't get hysterical then they are settling?
 
fleudslipcon said:
So if someone doesn't get hysterical then they are settling?
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No one is being hysterical. It's just difficult for some folks to understand why other folks - both of whom share a passion for a basketball team that has been among the top 5 in the country for the better part of 20 years - now loses to teams like Wagner, Northeastern, East Carolina, etc. Teams that they would lose to once every... well nope. Didn't lose to many of those ever.

And then pretend everything's going to be fine. People are worrying about the conference and this team can't beat a team with an RPI of 227. Good lord.
 
Letsgohuskies11 said:
You can make every excuse in the book for why this season is a wash. Still with a full roster back, if Uconn doesnt show considerable improvement next season, something has gotta give.

Beyond coaching, this is the first time since 1990 that we wont sell out a game (i'm guessing we wont on Sunday), continuing to be in this conference and not winning games will slowly erode the fan base and limit whatever exposure we even get on nationally televised games.
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UConn is actually the school dragging the conference down now.
 
Towney007 said:
This program is getting generous everything because of it's past successes.

And it's got a fan base that's happy to live back there, too.
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That's what I probably find the most troubling. We act like it's absurd we could ever bring in a good coach again. We all love Ollie but he's not the end all be all. If he isn't the guy, other top coaches would be lining up to come here. I can understand if people think Ollie is a top coach and therefore don't ever want to look elsewhere but this idea that we can never attract a great coach again is bunk.
 
superjohn said:
That's what I probably find the most troubling. We act like it's absurd we could ever bring in a good coach again. We all love Ollie but he's not the end all be all. If he isn't the guy, other top coaches would be lining up to come here. I can understand if people think Ollie is a top coach and therefore don't ever want to look elsewhere but this idea that we can never attract a great coach again is bunk.
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When great programs get too incestuous is when programs fail and flag. I'd at least like to see some shakeup on the coaching staff to bring in some outside blood. What they're doing now isn't working on any level. I'm not in burn the house down mode yet but the justification for this team's failures has gotta be out the window.
 
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I have been baffled by the way this team has been coached for some time now, but at this point, I'm reserving judgement until I see what we look like in the postseason. The last couple games have been bizarre to the point that I question the actual desire to win them.
 
Towney007 said:
No one is being hysterical. It's just difficult for some folks to understand why other folks - both of whom share a passion for a basketball team that has been among the top 5 in the country for the better part of 20 years - now loses to teams like Wagner, Northeastern, East Carolina, etc. Teams that they would lose to once every... well nope. Didn't lose to many of those ever.

And then pretend everything's going to be fine. People are worrying about the Spartacus-ing conference and this team can't beat a team with an RPI of 227. Good lord.
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I don't think one person believes there is a guarantee about anything. That's life. Things can turn around next year or never. Those are the extremes. KO can be a bad coach who the APR disguised or a good coach hurt by the APR. I'm one of those who argue the latter. I can't be 100% sure I'm right and you're wrong or vice versa. I hear the complaints of people after games. I understand their concerns. I just put in my computer parameters that are different than yours. Or maybe similar parameters but come to different conclusions. None of us can see the future so it really comes down to educated guessing.

superjohn said:
That's what I probably find the most troubling. We act like it's absurd we could ever bring in a good coach again. We all love Ollie but he's not the end all be all. If he isn't the guy, other top coaches would be lining up to come here. I can understand if people think Ollie is a top coach and therefore don't ever want to look elsewhere but this idea that we can never attract a great coach again is bunk.
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Of course it's possible that if KO doesn't work out UConn can attract a great coach. And it's possible that a coach replacing KO, should UConn need to make that choice, can make the program worse. How can anyone know things with certainty? If that were the case why hasn't Texas, a university that is far ahead of all other universities when it comes to athletic resources, struggle as much as it does?
 
champs99and04 said:
I have been baffled by the way this team has been coached for some time now, but at this point, I'm reserving judgement until I see what we look like in the postseason. The last couple games have been bizarre to the point that I question the actual desire to win them.
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Wait until next year, hopefully.
 
fleudslipcon said:
I don't think one person believes there is a guarantee about anything. That's life. Things can turn around next year or never. Those are the extremes. KO can be a bad coach who the APR disguised or a good coach hurt by the APR. I'm one of those who argue the latter. I can't be 100% sure I'm right and you're wrong or vice versa. I hear the complaints of people after games. I understand their concerns. I just put in my computer parameters that are different than yours. Or maybe similar parameters but come to different conclusions. None of us can see the future so it really comes down to educated guessing.


Of course it's possible that if KO doesn't work out UConn can attract a great coach. And it's possible that a coach replacing KO, should UConn need to make that choice, can make the program worse. How can anyone know things with certainty? If that were the case why hasn't Texas, a university that is far ahead of all other universities when it comes to athletic resources, struggle as much as it does?
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Um because Shaka is not the right fit..
 
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