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SECbbfan24 said:
The SEC is not what it use to be

Its actually not very good outside the top few teams. The bottom half of the conference is laughably bad.
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Ah, I admire you for being able to handle the truth and not fearing to speak it ;)
 
Plebe said:
Ah, I admire you for being able to handle the truth and not fearing to speak it ;)
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Im man enough to admit it. SEC use to be a very strong conference when looking at it top to bottom. Quite a few programs have taken a slide over the years. It can get back to being really good again but there will need to be some coaching shakeups. It all starts at the top. Too many poorly run programs in the conference right now.

That isn't to say there aren't good teams in the SEC.
 
Plebe said:
I'll choose to ignore the ad hominem stuff and focus on the topic.

I'm sorry, the SEC is not that strong after the top 3. For every TAMU and SC, there's also a Florida and Alabama (and Ole Miss, and ...). Suffice it to say it's no Pac-12. And even if it were, none of these rationalizations are an excuse for having 75% of the nonconference games against junior high-caliber teams.

Right now I'm watching multiple MSU players being "guarded" by players that are a foot shorter. I suppose that's great for pumping up stats and giving the home fans a hoot and a holler, but it hardly prepares the team to play Stanford out on the Pacific coast. One would think Vic and his fans would've learned this lesson from what happened last year from getting schooled twice by Oregon. Not to mention it's a complete disservice to the sport.
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It's a disservice for you to post blatant falsehoods. Other than the centers for MSU, Troy is just as tall. If all their tall girls are fouling and riding the pine it doesn't change the fact they have three 6'2" girls, and 4 more 5'11" and 6'.
 
Plebe said:
I'll choose to ignore the ad hominem stuff and focus on the topic.

I'm sorry, the SEC is not that strong to begin with after the top 3. For every TAMU and SC, there's also a Florida and Alabama (and Ole Miss, and ...). Suffice it to say it's no Pac-12. And even if it were, none of these rationalizations are an excuse for having 75% of the nonconference games against junior high-caliber teams.

Right now I'm watching multiple MSU players being "guarded" by players that are a foot shorter. I suppose that's great for pumping up stats and giving the home fans a hoot and a holler, but it hardly prepares the team to play Stanford in on the Pacific coast. One would think Vic and his fans would've learned this lesson from what happened last year from getting schooled twice by Oregon. Not to mention it's a complete disservice to the sport.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I also don't think playing Troy and Murray State prepares us for anything, and things can change in a jiffy once a strong opponent comes around with quicker hands and superior athleticism than the opponents we're bullying right now. I just think this topic has been beat to death, and collectively bashing Vic for weak scheduling at this point is tiring. I'm not taking it personally - but I just think you're holding him to higher standards than what Mississippi State fans are holding him to. I just don't understand why some people are so upset by our schedule.

And I also think you're celebrating Oregon's "schooling" us last year too much. Even some Ducks fans claim MSU and Oregon were close to equals last year. We dominated them in Starkville far worse than they beat us last year both times. Again, Oregon was greatly improved last year and they were absolutely on against us both nights and it's not hard to see where their strengths were. (shooting, passing across the court, fast whiffs to Hebard for easy points, playing away from McCowan, leaving Holmes wide open while getting 2 on McCowan).

Your point is fair though - and it's certainly an interesting thought. We'll see if Vic has learned anything from Oregon last year. Obviously it's too late to change our schedule, but we'll see if he's changed his gameplans against West Coast teams at least. Starting in the Stanford game. (if we both take care of our first 2 opponents.)
 
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garddog said:
It's a disservice for you to post blatant falsehoods. Other than the centers for MSU, Troy is just as tall. If all their tall girls are fouling and riding the pine it doesn't change the fact they have three 6'2" girls, and 4 more 5'11" and 6'.
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With all respect, you haven't carefully read what I wrote nor do you seem to appreciate the rhetorical effect of hyperbole.

I didn't examine the roster. I used my eyeballs to see players at armpit height of other players.
 
You were bashing once again. You just like to spin things to try and prove a point. It gets old. Thanks for watching MSU basketball.
 
garddog said:
You were bashing once again. You just like to spin things to try and prove a point. It gets old. Thanks for watching MSU basketball.
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I don’t mind criticism, because some of Vic’s decisions late in games have been questionable. But its non-stop criticism on any subject.
 
garddog said:
You were bashing once again. You just like to spin things to try and prove a point. It gets old. Thanks for watching MSU basketball.
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I'll take that as a compliment, thanks. One man's bashing is another man's truth-telling. I'm not here to kiss babies and win office. For sunshine and rainbows and puppy dogs I would imagine the MSU board might be a better place.

In all seriousness, I have been on record complimenting Vic Schaefer repeatedly. He's more than proven himself to be an elite coach and developer of talent. I go after him hard because he's good. If he sucked I wouldn't bother.
 
triaddukefan said:
I get the feeling that Plebe won't be invited to any pregame tailgating in Starkville anytime soon. :rolleyes:
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Would love to tailgate with most anyone. We only reserve tailgating ire for Ole Miss and Alabama. And half of their fans aren't that bad. But when your all within 90 miles of each other it can be rough.
 
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Why so much chatter about scheduling? It is what it is! The magical RPI will sort it all out.
 
Plebe said:
You're really trying to make hay this week when two of MSU's nonconference opponents hold very tenuous positions in the bottom rungs of the poll. Doubtful that USF and WV will be there at season's end.

Just give it up and embrace the fact that your coach is a soft scheduler.
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I was looking at conferences...

The Big East has DePaul ranked....nobody else

The AAC has USF after UConn...

The SEC does have five ranked at present. Not shabby, but it is early.
 
msupinebelt said:
SimpleDawg,

Some people want “other” teams to schedule gauntlet OOC schedule and play a tough in conference.

Some teams have to schedule the tough 5-6 OOC games, because the in conference games are snoozers.
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And some coaches schedule tough OOC games because that's what they do, regardless of their conference games. As evidence, Geno when he was in the Big East with Rutgers, Notre Dame and Louisville.
 
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Plebe said:
I'll choose to ignore the ad hominem stuff and focus on the topic.

I'm sorry, the SEC is not that strong after the top 3. For every TAMU and SC, there's also a Florida and Alabama (and Ole Miss, and ...). Suffice it to say it's no Pac-12. And even if it were, none of these rationalizations are an excuse for having 75% of the nonconference games against junior high-caliber teams.

Right now I'm watching multiple MSU players being "guarded" by players that are a foot shorter. I suppose that's great for pumping up stats and giving the home fans a hoot and a holler, but it hardly prepares the team to play Stanford out on the Pacific coast. One would think Vic and his fans would've learned this lesson from what happened last year from getting schooled twice by Oregon. Not to mention it's a complete disservice to the sport.
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Massey ranked UConn's SOS 10 and Mississippi State's 14. The difference was not that large last year, even when the SEC was way down. Notre Dame, Baylor, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, and UCLA all played tougher schedules than UConn did.

You're coming at a team who played a schedule that was, per Massey, within five places from UConn's last season.
 
DaBball said:
Massey ranked UConn's SOS 10 and Mississippi State's 14. The difference was not that large last year, even when the SEC was way down. Notre Dame, Baylor, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, and UCLA all played tougher schedules than UConn did.

You're coming at a team who played a schedule that was, per Massey, within five places from UConn's last season.
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That was last year. This is this year.

Believe me, I'm not doing jumping jacks over UConn's November and December slate. But MSU's schedule this year is embarrassing.

(As a side note, those Massey SOS rankings are including the postseason. MSU's SOS surely gained an extra boost from playing Oregon again, even if they lost.)
 
Plebe said:
That was last year. This is this year.

Believe me, I'm not doing jumping jacks over UConn's November and December slate. But MSU's schedule this year is embarrassing.

(As a side note, those Massey SOS rankings are including the postseason. MSU's SOS surely gained an extra boost from playing Oregon again, even if they lost.)
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Yes, but you mentioned he should have learned from last year's schedule, which I noted was similar in strength to UConn's.

Uconn gained a larger boost playing both Louisville and Notre Dame again in the post season than Mississippi State did playing Oregon.

I agree that Vic should get rid of the extremely low RPI teams. I think both Uconn and MSU should have played 7-8 top-25 teams by the end of conference play.
 
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DaBball said:
Yes, but you mentioned he should have learned from last year's schedule, which I noted was similar in strength to UConn's.

Uconn gained a larger boost playing both Louisville and Notre Dame again in the post season than Mississippi State did playing Oregon.

I agree that Vic should get rid of the extremely low RPI teams. I think both Uconn and MSU should have played 7-8 top-25 teams by the end of conference play.
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I wasn't thrilled about UConn's nonconference schedule last year either. Outside of the 3 games against ND, Baylor and Louisville, there was precious little to look at. Wins over Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, St. Louis, Seton Hall, and Oklahoma did UConn's resume no favors.

Even then, and despite the weakness of the AAC, UConn's numbers were still markedly better than MSU's:

UConn: overall SOS #30, nonconference SOS #31
MSU: overall SOS #46, nonconference SOS #78

I'm sorry, but there's just no excuse for an elite program to have the #78 nonconference SOS, even if they did come from the best conference, which is certainly not the case with the SEC.
 
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Arizona joins at #24 while Michigan drops off.

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Tennessee, on the strength of its program-defining win over Stetson, vaults over South Florida, who had the audacity to lose by 12 to Baylor in Waco.
 
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Plebe said:
Tennessee, on the strength of its program-defining win over Stetson, vaults over South Florida, who had the audacity to lose by 12 to Baylor in Waco.
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I didnt have them ranked :rolleyes:
 
Tennessee will probably move up next poll. Syracuse will probably lose to Oregon.
 
It's some special blend of comical and pathetic that the Tennessee fans are giddily cheering for their team to climb the rankings by beating the likes of Stetson, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, and Air Force.
 
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